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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 00:14:00 -
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Dear CCP;
Knowing the amount of RP that goes on between the Minmatar and Amarr players,
I was astounded to see someone had included 7500 slaves as a consumable for the Amarr Outpost! Why may I ask was this done, as all of the Minmatar RP organizations are now not able to have one yet the Amarr are under no such restiction in making a Minmatar Outpost.
Can we Minmatar and Gallente substitute Robotics for Slaves if we also would like a nifty 20 factory Outpost to compliment our Refinery one? Please help us out people don't just take a hard line stance and tell us tough. Work with us, we have helped create content and excitement in the EVE universe since opening day.
No anti-slavery PC will accept this being as only a game mechanic also, so please don't just say that. We need a 1:1 Slave vs Robotics substitution on the Amarr Outpost. Please.
Sarkos (Since Beta 4)
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Nakatre Read
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Posted - 2005.08.27 00:21:00 -
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Fair point, and i am surprised myself that it's an actual requirement!
Samsara
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Ob Noxious
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Posted - 2005.08.27 00:31:00 -
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It astounds me that you would even be willing to own anything remotely connected to the Amarr. Slaves aside, If, I could ever afford to buy/build/own one of these fine structures, it certainly would not be from any other race than my own, which by the way is so vastly superior to the others. 
Actually, I agree.. why are slaves part of it?
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2005.08.27 00:44:00 -
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Yet again the demands of game-play tear the guts out of role-play.
Vicarrah
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.27 00:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Vicarrah
Yet again the demands of game-play tear the guts out of role-play.
Actually it looks to be the other way around here.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 01:14:00 -
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Outpost requirements
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.08.27 01:21:00 -
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lol, this is funny, you want a substitute for slave on your Amarr outpost...
what kind of minmatar are you that you are going to build an AMARR outpost...
if you want to rp, do it right
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 01:25:00 -
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Many Minmatar freedom fighters use the best tool for the job. With Outpost production, that would be the Amarr Outpost. However, any RPer that fights anti-slavery is handicaped from the get-go since they will never build anything requiring slaves. Now mister high and mighty, refine with your outpost.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.08.27 01:53:00 -
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RP wise I also want a way for amarr to replace the robotic requirements in gallente, caldari and minmatar outposts with slaves... it would seem in line with the proposed idea 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.27 01:54:00 -
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You use amarr technology you have to use amarr requirements. It may suck from a rp point but if your rp char is pragmatic enough to use an amarr outpost then they are pragmatic enough to use slaves.
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.08.27 02:19:00 -
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Not all Amarrian slaves are Minmatar. Reread the background on the Amarr. While the Ushra'Khan might reject the use of Minmatar slaves, maybe viewing the slaves required as that of an Amarrian sub-race? It could be RPed as "Poetic Justice".
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2005.08.27 02:25:00 -
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As I understant it, there are a lot of Amarr slaves out there. People who didn't exactly make it big in Amarr social structure. Read this chronicle. So yeah, poetic justice FTW! 
-AK
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.27 02:40:00 -
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"Outpost requirements"
Whoa. There's 100 janitors needed to man Gallente outpost (and each of them wants a can of Quafe) ... but 50 for Caldari one, just 1 for Amarr and none for Minmatar... :s
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TheZapper
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Posted - 2005.08.27 02:48:00 -
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/Neo voice on: Wooah! 
Never saw that for Amar outpost... AWSOME!!. Glad CCP added the 'slave' requirement in.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius
Not all Amarrian slaves are Minmatar. Reread the background on the Amarr. While the Ushra'Khan might reject the use of Minmatar slaves, maybe viewing the slaves required as that of an Amarrian sub-race? It could be RPed as "Poetic Justice".
Yes, I know not all slaves are Minmatar. However from the RP point of view, freedom fighters find buying or uning slaves as highly repugnent, and will not do it at all. There is no reason that the Amarr Outpost needs slaves, except someone in development thought it was a nice idea. Unfortunately, it seems, some developers do not understand the concept of RP, and as such have overlooked this aspect of the needs.
Now if we are forced to accept the use of SLAVES, without any means of substitution, then the Amarr Empire should condemn and punish any corporation daring to use a Minmatar Outpost, or any other races Outpost at all. Right?
The way it's set up right now, all Amarr and a lot of Caldari have a HUGE advantage, as far as RPers go. The RP Gallente and Minmatar have been given the perverbial shafting with the need to use slaves for the only Outpost that has great production facilities. I'm not seeking an edge, but I am seeking equallity from an RP point of view. Allow all but Amarr to replace slaves with robotics, it's as simple as that.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"Outpost requirements"
Whoa. There's 100 janitors needed to man Gallente outpost (and each of them wants a can of Quafe) ... but 50 for Caldari one, just 1 for Amarr and none for Minmatar... :s
Yes j0sephine, obviously a message from the devs that we Minmatar are either so dirty we never clean or so clean we never need janitors. Neither of these views are founded by anything in the game, unless you are an Amarr.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.08.27 03:24:00 -
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The next big patch will have enhanced starbase factories/labs, so you arn't totally screwed. Plus, outposts will eventually get bigger.
Also, Amarr corps not being able to build Refinery outposts is at least as much a problem. :)
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.08.27 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: Calian on 27/08/2005 03:34:49
Originally by: Sarkos
Many Minmatar freedom fighters use the best tool for the job. With Outpost production, that would be the Amarr Outpost. However, any RPer that fights anti-slavery is handicaped from the get-go since they will never build anything requiring slaves. Now mister high and mighty, refine with your outpost.
Sarkos
With your logic of them using the best tool for the job, they'd also use slaves, since that's the best tool for some jobs. They don't use slaves, however, so obviously they DO draw the line somewhere, and building an Amarr outpost would be that line.
Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.08.27 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Calian
Edited by: Calian on 27/08/2005 03:34:49
Originally by: Sarkos
Many Minmatar freedom fighters use the best tool for the job. With Outpost production, that would be the Amarr Outpost. However, any RPer that fights anti-slavery is handicaped from the get-go since they will never build anything requiring slaves. Now mister high and mighty, refine with your outpost.
Sarkos
With your logic of them using the best tool for the job, they'd also use slaves, since that's the best tool for some jobs. They don't use slaves, however, so obviously they DO draw the line somewhere, and building an Amarr outpost would be that line.
Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.
Slaves are not tools, but mostly our kin. As far as cake, well I would like to be on PAR with everyone else, and not have to deal with an RP issue that CCP seems to have overlooked.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.27 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 27/08/2005 04:21:23
"Slaves are not tools, but mostly our kin. As far as cake, well I would like to be on PAR with everyone else, and not have to deal with an RP issue that CCP seems to have overlooked."
Could be sorted out with just duplicating existing outpost types so each race has their "own" refinery, market hub, research site and whatever... with their own building requirements tailored for the race, and maybe some tiny differences in the stats. Could even use the same 3d model for all ouposts of single race if that's the issue...
Really don't see much sense in that "only Minmatar know how to refine and only Gallente can handle legal paperwork" thing... >>;
(so there'd be 16 entries in the database instead of 4; big deal, it's full of trash anyway :s
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.08.27 04:31:00 -
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If you buy and use an amarr outpost, then you will be funding them and funding the slave business.. so robotics or not, you're still involving yourself with slavery and shouldn't use anything Amarr if you're RPing. 
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.27 05:46:00 -
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Thanks Sarkos, I would'nt have known if it weren't for your post.
In the RP respect I can never see a Minmatar based RP Corp or Alliance EVER being able to build an Amarr outpost.
From an RP prespective and a humanitary perspective this is just total bollox CCP.
Slavery has been abolished from the modern societies for years now the only people that seem to promote it are Amarrians, southerners and CCP.
Once again, TOTAL BOLLOX 
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.08.27 05:50:00 -
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Don't worry, Sarkos - our reason for not building a Minmatar outpost won't be it's consumables or whatever, it will be because it's a Minmatar outpost.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.08.27 05:54:00 -
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Maybe you are just freeing them and giving them jobs on the outpost instead of just dumping them off somewhere?
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.08.27 06:30:00 -
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Temptest in a teacup, but okay.
No idea if this can be done, but why not allow "Freed Slaves" to be substituted for "Slaves"?
That way the Amarr sticklers can use Slaves and pretend they're dieing by the thousands, and the Minnie sticklers can use Freed Slaves and pretend they're giving them a good job, a roof over their heads etc.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.27 06:39:00 -
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Why not just make 4 racial outposts of each type (16 in total), all the same stats (for the type) and let people pick which one they want. For the main part, it's a simple copy of the current settings with a change of the model and it's building requirements.
Not something that is TOO hard.
I still say that it's morally wrong that CCP forces (yes forces) and promotes that players use and abuse slaves.
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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.08.27 07:00:00 -
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Yea, this entire "Race determines function" stuff in Eve is killing roleplaying anyways. It's ok if thigs aren't the same from one race to the other, but some aspects of the game are completly restricted to single races, without even offering similar systems to others...
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2005.08.27 07:53:00 -
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Surely by this logic there should be a requirement for Protein Delicacies for the Caldari outpost. Yummy, nutritious, keep you working hard and banned by the Gallente (something about soylent green)
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.27 09:33:00 -
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what kind of minmatar are you that you are going to build an AMARR outpost...
if you want to rp, do it right
Ewww...that's like that pirate group who were saying their opposition weren't roleplayers because they flew ships other than their own races.
Ignorance is bliss I guess 
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Mad Scorpion
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Posted - 2005.08.27 11:16:00 -
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Hehe, imagine if CCP said something like 'Each ship bomus only applies to the race specific to each ship. Thus Amarr ships only give the bonus to AMarr, ect.' Boy, would that cause a hellstorm. Hehehehe
If you want it, I can get it.......for a price.
Mad Scorpion
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