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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:31:00 -
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Everoyne uses them (inc me from time to time). Seems like they are destined to be nerfed. Any idea if this will indeed go ahead anytime soon?
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:32:00 -
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shhh....
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:34:00 -
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ill be looking into it.
tomB.
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:41:00 -
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 Originally by: darth solo
ill be looking into it.
tomB.
lol
It just got boosted
-= Soros =-
BoB
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Bad'B0y
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 27/08/2005 10:45:36
Everoyne uses oversized plates (inc me from time to time). Seems like they are destined to be nerfed. Any idea if this will indeed go ahead anytime soon?
maybe if your corp didnt had all lows fulll of stabs, you could use plates also
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NateX
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Posted - 2005.08.27 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'B0y
Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 27/08/2005 10:45:36
Everoyne uses oversized plates (inc me from time to time). Seems like they are destined to be nerfed. Any idea if this will indeed go ahead anytime soon?
maybe if your corp didnt had all lows fulll of stabs, you could use plates also
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.27 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'B0y
Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 27/08/2005 10:45:36
Everoyne uses oversized plates (inc me from time to time). Seems like they are destined to be nerfed. Any idea if this will indeed go ahead anytime soon?
maybe if your corp didnt had all lows fulll of stabs, you could use plates also
I was refering to oversided plates. EG 1600 on a thorax. 400 on a ceptor. Unless there is a 3200 i'm not seeing it doesnt really apply to battleships.
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Vathar
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Posted - 2005.08.27 11:28:00 -
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Indeed plates don't need nerf ... OVERSIZED PLATES need one however ...
Mass increase have been suggested, maybe this will do the trick
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.27 12:29:00 -
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Even so they should be pretty easy to fix, they just need a grid increase. 500MW for a 1600 plate is litterally a drop in the ocean for battleships, 1000MW wouldn't hurt them that much
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.08.27 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Even so they should be pretty easy to fix, they just need a grid increase. 500MW for a 1600 plate is litterally a drop in the ocean for battleships, 1000MW wouldn't hurt them that much
since when did armor reguire power... CPU i can understand...
the computer needs it to addept for the weigth... but power ?
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.27 13:17:00 -
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Blame CCP, its their fault :P
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.08.27 13:45:00 -
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I agree that oversized armor plates are a bit of a problem
If I were the designer at CCP, I'd make fitting requirements for armor plates low - a piece of metal on your ship shouldn't use much power or CPU. Maybe lower CPU requirements by 20% and lower grid usage by 35%. However, in addition to -10 speed penalty, I'd add more penalties:
1600mm plate:
+200 sig radius
-10% agility
+10,000,000 kg - effecting MWD/AB accelerations
800mm plate:
+100 sig radius
-8% agility
+5,000,000 kg
400mm plate:
+50 sig radius
-6% agility
+2,500,000 kg
other plates are irrelevant, but follow same pattern. Something like this would make plates balanced as well as interesting
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.08.27 13:45:00 -
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Didn't people "want" longer fights and more armor?
I know i like them just the way they are, less damage but more tanking : wheres the unbalancedness? they sacrifise enough to fit it
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.08.27 13:54:00 -
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ive been brain storming on why plates need power and CPU and here my theory...
they are attached magneticly... only way it would reguire power and CPU...
but that would make your signature higher and thats not so good...
rather weld it to the ship and be done with it 
anyway... i think the plates are good as they are... they give ceptors cruisers a chans
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.08.27 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
I agree that oversized armor plates are a bit of a problem
If I were the designer at CCP, I'd make fitting requirements for armor plates low - a piece of metal on your ship shouldn't use much power or CPU. Maybe lower CPU requirements by 20% and lower grid usage by 35%. However, in addition to -10 speed penalty, I'd add more penalties:
1600mm plate:
+200 sig radius
-10% agility
+10,000,000 kg - effecting MWD/AB accelerations
800mm plate:
+100 sig radius
-8% agility
+5,000,000 kg
400mm plate:
+50 sig radius
-6% agility
+2,500,000 kg
other plates are irrelevant, but follow same pattern. Something like this would make plates balanced as well as interesting
Then they would be useless and missil users would whine again...
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:00:00 -
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oh, another idea I had, a bit offtopic but inspired by armor plates:
Stealth Plating!
1 module per ship limit - coating the ship with 2nd layer of stealth plating will simply make first layer useless.
cpu: 42
pwg: 6
-33% sig radius
-50% armor hp - stealth plating replaces normal armor plating and isn't designed for tanking
-50% shield hp - so that shield tanking wouldn't become uber with stealth armor. Explain it as something to do with stealth armor's poor conductivity of force fields
+10 % agility - ship becomes lighter
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: DeMundus
Then they would be useless and missil users would whine again...
I really don't think that would make them "useless", since cpu and grid requirements are actually lowered, making it easier to fit oversized modules. But other penalties are there to make oversized plates not as good as they used to be. That's the point, oversized plates are too good now.
Maybe my suggested sig increase is a bit too high, that's something to play around with.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 27/08/2005 14:12:06
No because CCP just gave them a buff. Seems really retarded to buff something and then act shocked that people use them. Oversized plates have been used as long as I have played the game.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:36:00 -
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your desciption is incorrect. you cannot fit an oversized plate onto any ship. if it fits on the ship then its the correct size.
the thorax isnt the only ship to use 1600mm plates.
plus is an inty using an oversized plate if it fits 400mm plate?
q - where do you draw the line?
a - you dont, you leave it as it is :P
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:49:00 -
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"plus is an inty using an oversized plate if it fits 400mm plate?"
If a single module adds more than 2x amount of armour the ship has as base, i'd say it's good indication the module is oversized. You'd be hard pressed to find another module with this kind of bonus, short of MWD -.^
crow base armour: 175 hp
400mm plate armour: 600-840 hp
thorax base armour: 1050 hp
1400mm plate armour: 2400-3300 hp
seems pretty clear-cut... ;s
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2005.08.27 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
your desciption is incorrect. you cannot fit an oversized plate onto any ship. if it fits on the ship then its the correct size.
the thorax isnt the only ship to use 1600mm plates.
plus is an inty using an oversized plate if it fits 400mm plate?
q - where do you draw the line?
a - you dont, you leave it as it is :P
amen, im getting tired of all the whiners complaining about 400mm plates supposedly being `oversize`.
if it fits the ship then its not oversive,
what would all the peeps suggest we fit on ceptors and frigs, 50mm or 100mm plates? what the hell are those ingame for anyway, if they boosets the armor points of the lesser plates then the 400 would become redundant, but then again the `nerf 100mm plate brigade` would be back up and whining their little cotton socks off about something else, never ending slime of ****e, people just stfu and play the game
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.08.27 15:08:00 -
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I'm sorry, are the gankawhiners out again?
You want to make cruisers even LESS useful by removing the ability to use 1600mm's? Classic. Shog forbid tanking is an OPTION in combat.
And yes, one of my interceptor setups uses a 400mm plate. The other dosn't.
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Toshiro Khan
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Posted - 2005.08.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
I'm sorry, are the gankawhiners out again?
You want to make cruisers even LESS useful by removing the ability to use 1600mm's? Classic. Shog forbid tanking is an OPTION in combat.
And yes, one of my interceptor setups uses a 400mm plate. The other dosn't.
Unfortunatly, a lot of this stems from the whine about the rax being too powerful. people moaning because it can field 8 drones plus the uber tank .. its overpowered, but as its been mentioned several times a rax with out its drones.. just becomes another sucky cruiser.. but a rax without plate still maintains its firepower, but now has a big weakness.
But as much as i hate to say it the sad part is, that the oversized plate .. does unbalance things in a big way..
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.27 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro Khan
But as much as i hate to say it the sad part is, that the oversized plate .. does unbalance things in a big way..
Its true. I use them too, but they are unbalanced.
Also, they are Oversized. A 10mn AB on a frig was oversized and it used to fit the same way a 400 plate does.
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Vathar
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:02:00 -
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Question : isn't cap consumption for warp drive linked to mass ? If so, mass increasing plates could be fun :)
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Hellma
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:06:00 -
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Cruiser's were in need of a new soal
plate's were in need of a boost too
OMG,...i can't woup cruiser's in 1 shot no more.../cry
What cruiser does not benifit from plate,...and does that cruiser need tank
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"plus is an inty using an oversized plate if it fits 400mm plate?"
If a single module adds more than 2x amount of armour the ship has as base, i'd say it's good indication the module is oversized. You'd be hard pressed to find another module with this kind of bonus, short of MWD -.^
crow base armour: 175 hp
400mm plate armour: 600-840 hp
thorax base armour: 1050 hp
1400mm plate armour: 2400-3300 hp
seems pretty clear-cut... ;s
Hitpoints in general need a massive boost (5x factor?), so it would be more like 35-60% bonus instead of 250-350%.
I don't see a problem with it
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:23:00 -
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ah come on, having 2 1600mm plates on a zealot doesn't make it overpowered.... just.... good! :)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:33:00 -
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"Hitpoints in general need a massive boost (5x factor?), so it would be more like 35-60% bonus instead of 250-350%.
I don't see a problem with it"
*If* hitpoints were increased by such degree then yeah, it'd make the currently oversized plates look 'normal' in comparison. Until this happens, incredibly helpful as they are, they simply don't.
This whole "i can fit it, they are not oversized" thing is kinda like sitting in one room with elephant and pretending it's not there... everyone knows they're mounting oversized modues, that's exactly what makes these modules so useful after all. ;s
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2005.08.27 17:37:00 -
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When using "oversized" plates, you pay a price. That price is high enough.
-AK
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