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Sergara Darkthorn
To Kill With Intent
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:15:00 -
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Angelo Doelman wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:I have solved every problem ever
Get an alt in a rookie ship, make him shoot your hulk/mack even Mission Running ship, instant Concord protection
Note: Ganking is the good and getting mails of rage is better If I'm not mistaken, as part of the Goon doctrin, they play some game mechanic that rids the belt of concord after they shoot the miners. This way they can reset the icefield so that the miners don't have a hour or so of protection.
Goons (of old) were idiots... actually....
actually as an adendum:
0.0 depends on hi sec industry (e/g mining for those that have trouble understanding that word) |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:18:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Tippia wrote:Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea. I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. It would happen almost as much, because yes, your tears are in fact that tasty. Every single time someone gets upset, it justifies every single cost involved in getting those tears to flow, because you must achieve op success at any cost. Tears(anyone but their own, honestly) just make them want to do it again... Once again, no matter the cost. Oh, and from experience, a corpies tears because a gank failed, or because you thought being ganked was actually kinda cool when he was going through saltwater withdrawals are almost as tasty as yours, just harder to get(its so easy to make highseccers cry)
Do you actually believe this? I mean seriously what a complete turd you are...tears salt wtf are you on with? Seriously go out get laid do something cos this **** makes you sound like a complete comic book guy.......now taste my tears you nob |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:22:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Do you actually believe this? I mean seriously what a complete turd you are...tears salt wtf are you on with? Seriously go out get laid do something cos this **** makes you sound like a complete comic book guy.......now taste my tears you nob
WOO HOO, We're all nobs!
OI BOYZ, LETZ GO GET UZ SOM 'OOMIES!
WAAAAAAAAGGGH |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:26:00 -
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I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:30:00 -
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Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS. |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:31:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a *****
I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug?
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KaarBaak
90
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:32:00 -
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Xython wrote:KaarBaak wrote:It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone. The only way this makes sense is if you're an AFKing highsec pubbie who can count on one hand the number of ships he's lost this week. (Usually these types run AFK missions and/or AFK bot mine, so they really don't count for anything other than target practice.) For the rest of us, those who actually play the game, losing ships is a common enough occurrence that insurance is vital. To say nothing about newbies who rely on that insurance to get back into the game without mining or doing L1 missions in a newbie frig to buy a second battleship... every time they die.
It amounts to government funded welfare. As in that case, those that receive the free currency will fight tooth-and-nail to keep the faucet running.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:32:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug?
The problem is all these highsec pubbies are so used to never, ever dying and never having to interact with anyone else that the loss of a single ship is a life changing event. Or something. |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:33:00 -
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Xython wrote:Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS.
I agree the end result is probably more humorous than the doing...I mean you're targeting some guy that afks watching films he comes back to his pod.......there is no social interaction |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
421
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:34:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall How long did you mine for?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:35:00 -
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about 5 mins then i got an itch to kill something |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:38:00 -
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Xython wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug? The problem is all these highsec pubbies are so used to never, ever dying and never having to interact with anyone else that the loss of a single ship is a life changing event. Or something. Im not saying i disagree with the plan...the plan rocks...I'm just saying i disagree with the deliverance of the message..... you're message is great just think some cocks dilute the point............salty tears.......tears blah blah blah |

Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:43:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************.
On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths.
Cry harder, please. |

Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:46:00 -
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Sirhan Blixt wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************. On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths. Cry harder, please.
This seriously what teat are you imagining what mewling? are you actually thinking any of this happens? You play a spaceship game in which you parody anyone who takes it seriously with proper **** internet spaceship parodies......
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:48:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Sirhan Blixt wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************. On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths. Cry harder, please. This seriously what teat are you imagining what mewling? are you actually thinking any of this happens? You play a spaceship game in which you parody anyone who takes it seriously with proper **** internet spaceship parodies...... Now that's what I'm talking about! |

Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:54:00 -
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How I used to love when Lyris and Skunk were the voice of the Goons around here. 
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:59:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:How I used to love when Lyris and Skunk were the voice of the Goons around here.  Give it time. It's been a fast-moving thread and they can't keep current on all of them. |

L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp None Of The Above
22
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:07:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.
Easy? Are you kidding?
The cost of this incursion for the goons are immense. First it is the bounties that comes from ratting taxes. Then it is the security loss making their pilots more or less useless in empire. Then it is the standings loss towards multiple factions of NPC's that can never ever be repaired. Then it is the mind-numbing logistics of keeping the area stocked with ships. Then it is the 24/7/365 scouting of all the ICE belts and coordination of warp-ins, baiting Concorde and so on.
Personally I think they should take the entire insurance system and just cancel it. No ISK for losing a ship, ever. I also think they should fix the kill-right / bounty system so that mad miners can put out contracts on people.
Now, how about buffing the rats in empire? All belts should spawn at least cruiser size rats. I also believe there should be scrambling rats in all 0.7 and below systems.
Also, please remove ICE from high sec, thank you. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:28:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:Xython wrote:Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS. I agree the end result is probably more humorous than the doing...I mean you're targeting some guy that afks watching films he comes back to his pod.......there is no social interaction
Psst, if he leaves to watch a movie and is still mining, he's using a bot and deserves to lose his ship. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
669
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:43:00 -
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miners are the scum of the eve universe, a blight, and ganking them should be easier
i propose the -5 police thing be eliminated, to stop penalizing those who do the most to improve the game |

Cybele Lanier
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:50:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Hows this for a buff for miners. Change ECM Bursts so they don't get you concorded, and give them that extra chance to run.
I'm now in a frigate, set to orbit your barge and endlessly spam ECM bursts.  |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
278
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:04:00 -
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Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.
Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model. Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:05:00 -
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Xython wrote:[quote=Alara IonStorm]You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
I had an escort in my hold, but it didn't help.
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Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:16:00 -
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OP,
Yes, changes badly need to be made, as in Insurance terminated for criminal acts. That is all though.
As has been pointed out, Police never arrive before a crime but after, that is the way it should be. I'm not even really sure that increased tanks on mining ships is a good plan (and I say that as someone who uses them from time to time).
And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait  Self interest wins that day, breaking news, grass is often green. |

Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:20:00 -
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Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait 
Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
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Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:33:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait  Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
As part of a 0.0 alliance you should be really concerned about your security status, honest 
And how does having a low security status affect ganking anyway? I have pointed out several times the happy existence of -10 suicide gankers in trade hubs for years.
If you really want to gank someone, why would you let lack of insurance get in the way? And being EVE, as almost everyone likes to say, actions should have consequences, and not just the ones that you like either. Being at least moderately realistic (as can be for a game on internet spaceships) is always a good thing. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:38:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.
Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model. Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.
Actually I just realized this suggestion here would let us run insurance scams.
I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
159
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:40:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait  Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
I guess he means that we need to be able to feel the consequences... Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |

Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:40:00 -
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So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious: |

Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:46:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious:
It means very little to the people that do it regularly. Note - prevalence of goon/random threads on how to keep ganking after -5 status. K site and EVE-O.
Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.
Exactly. Quoting myself, 'self interest wins the day' wow. And before you say it, yes I have ganked in high sec myself, and it was fun. But insurance payouts are just way out there..
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