Dont remove ganking just ban GSF

Dont remove ganking just ban GSF

In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.

I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.

Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.

Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.

These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.

In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.

Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.

Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.

Um... mine in a BS... prob solved...

O WAIT that means into a can, so you need a frined or a alt to haul for you... and that means more work...

So it is not so much mining is not safe... it is... "I want easy no work isk... that I can't be killed getting."

BS can mine almost as much as a hulk, is not gona be ganked BUT has way less cargo...

Hulk HUGE cargo... was less tank.

Anything else to cry about?

What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities

I think changes need to be made...

To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.

Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such.

No.

There is no defence to N+1 ganking.

If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two.
If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three.
If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four.

Do you see a pattern here?

Fun fact: it does, even with insurance.
SoGǪ why should it be disincentivised? And why should it only be profitable under rare circumstances?
Why?

It would happen almost as much, because yes, your tears are in fact that tasty. Every single time someone gets upset, it justifies every single cost involved in getting those tears to flow, because you must achieve op success at any cost.

Tears(anyone but their own, honestly) just make them want to do it again... Once again, no matter the cost.

Oh, and from experience, a corpies tears because a gank failed, or because you thought being ganked was actually kinda cool when he was going through saltwater withdrawals are almost as tasty as yours, just harder to get(its so easy to make highseccers cry)

I understand it costs money to suicide gank. I'm saying it should cost more.

Also, why do you think its a bad idea to lower the amount of suicide ganking?

No.

There is no defence to N+1 ganking.

If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two.
If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three.
If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four.

Do you see a pattern here?

OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank?

Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls.

And I'm asking: why?
Because you haven't given any reason why it's needed.

GǪalso, because they're far too few as it is.

OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank?

Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls.

OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank?

Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls.

Apparently you've totally missed the point. I'd still be down for that gank just to prove you that I can do it and to collect the tears from the "invulnerable" miracle hulk.

Dear Ice Mining High Sec Carebears.

Hire a decent mercenary corp to war dec those pesky goons. Have them in belt with you and camping gates and statioon undocks while you mine.

If you can't afford that with the current prices of Oxygen Isotopes - you are playing eve incorrectly

Yours Faithfully
Jita Alt666

P.S. OP CCP are working as intended.

In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.

I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.

Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.

Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.

These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.

Concord kills result in loss of skill points.

Some real consequences instead of this we killed your boat, you lost some sec which wont affect your nano fit smart bombing bs, and heres some isk for your next run.

Concord kills result in loss of skill points.

Some real consequences instead of this we killed your boat, you lost some sec which wont affect your nano fit smart bombing bs, and heres some isk for your next run.

Concord kills result in loss of skill points.