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Scorpionstrike
Colonial Marines EVE Division
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Posted - 2013.03.24 06:53:00 -
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I would like c.c.p to consider a new ship line or a current combat ship hull but with a covert ops cloaking bonus on it,
Its just that i am not so happy with just being able to use a stealth bomber for sneak attacks and would like a fighting ship rather then just the bomber using torpedoes, its too restrictive as it can only hit large targets, i want to use a cruiser i do warp while cloaked in and then get into fights using say blasters or drones , etc.. the only difference that the new ship line would have is a covert ops cloaking bonus i do not think that is too much to ask, i am happy with the retribution ship changes they were excellent but if cloaking ships could get some more options that would top it off, i prefer the cloaking / stealth play-style but the bomber only being able to damage large targets is too restrictive. |
Akuyaku
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Posted - 2013.03.24 07:12:00 -
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One of the main balancing features of the covert ops/ recons is the fact that they are weak in direct combat. Though if all you want is blasters and drone go get a pilgrim. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.24 07:13:00 -
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Translation: "Please, CCP, give botters a new safecarebearmobile, thank you in advance." |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2013.03.24 07:51:00 -
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I believe you are looking for Recon Cruisers... specifically Force Recon Cruisers. They can use a covert-ops cloak and attack other ships... however, as stated above they are weak in "direct" confrontations (having lower tank and/or damage potential) and rely on Ewar to kill a target. This is how they remain balanced against other ships.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:16:00 -
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I know about Recon cruisers but they are far too expensive just for wanting a certain play-style being ambush / hunting , i think the issue could be resolved through a cloaking module that allows you to come in and out of cloak while in combat for a combat cloaking cruiser.... I'm wasting my time with this i know people are too narrow minded to accept an out of the box view from the standard as far as anyone is concerned cloaking is for scouting / scanning is has to be pigeonholed into a 'role'. |
Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:51:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote: come in and out of cloak while in combat.
Absolutely not. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:35:00 -
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" I'm wasting my time with this i know people are too narrow minded to accept an out of the box view from the standard as far as anyone is concerned cloaking is for scouting / scanning is has to be pigeonholed into a 'role'. " just as i thought, ill just run in a bomber. |
Roime
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:51:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:" I'm wasting my time with this i know people are too narrow minded to accept an out of the box view from the standard as far as anyone is concerned cloaking is for scouting / scanning is has to be pigeonholed into a 'role'. " just as i thought, ill just run in a bomber.
No, people are not too narrow-minded, you are just hilariously clueless- Covert Ops cloaked combat cruiser are called strategic cruisers, aka tech 3 cruisers.
Commonly regarded as the king of cloaky PVP, the Proteus does exactly what you are asking for- can engage targets of any size with blasters and drones.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:04:00 -
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I know what they are but they are far too expensive... 185,499,998.9 just to be able to enjoy a certain play style, there needs to be cloaking ships at the lower end price scale e.g cruisers. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:16:00 -
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Waste of time please delete thread |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:21:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:I know what they are but they are far too expensive... 185,499,998.9 just to be able to enjoy a certain play style, there needs to be cloaking ships at the lower end price scale e.g cruisers.
Well, seems like it comes down to "pick 2 out of 3"
* covert ops cloak
* DPS
* cheap
T1 is cheap & DPS but can't use covert ops cloak
T2and Strategic Cruiser may use covert ops cloak while still applying a decent level of DPS but they are not cheap
Is that bad? --- No
Otherwise, why would you go for T2 when you could have it with T1 already |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:40:00 -
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Because T2 and above should be better at specialization it should not be the only hulls that can adopt the play style above Tier one , which is exactly what retribution did with lower tier hulls except covert ops so far. |
Michael Harari
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:53:00 -
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You can fit a bomber with small guns and rockets |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:13:00 -
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i think he wants force recons to be buffed in close range combat or T3 cruisers too come down in price substantially and his wish may be obliged and the cost of T2 force recons is the technetium issue which CCP will hopefully rectify soon.
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium |
Drake Doe
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:19:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:Because T2 and above should be better at specialization it should not be the only hulls that can adopt the play style above Tier one , which is exactly what retribution did with lower tier hulls except covert ops so far.
Do you not realize that the ability to use covert ops is a specialization of a ship? Also cloaking during the middle of combat would be incredibly op, it gives you to much of an upper hand |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.25 07:39:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Scorpionstrike wrote:Because T2 and above should be better at specialization it should not be the only hulls that can adopt the play style above Tier one , which is exactly what retribution did with lower tier hulls except covert ops so far. Do you not realize that the ability to use covert ops is a specialization of a ship? Also cloaking during the middle of combat would be incredibly op, it gives you to much of an upper hand
No truer words said.
Cov-Ops is a specialisation. Any ship can fit a cloak, only certain ones can fit cov-ops. This is for a good reason. The same reason you want a stronger cov-ops ships is the reason there isn't one. The advantages these ships already have in certain areas is huge. Oh, and your estimate of the cost of a cloaky T3 is off, by miles. 190m will buy you a hull, it you need the subs and fittings to fly it. So really its more in the 450m - 500m mark.
If you want all the benefits of that playstyle, it comes with a price tag.
If your after small stuff, use a Helios. With 5 mids it can put out a significant amount of tackle and ewar and still apply damage.
Don't even get me started on the "cloaking in combat" comment. That's just so any levels of wrong right there.
TL:DR
If you want power with a cov-ops, you pay for it through the nose.
MODULAR DRONES
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:00:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:I know what they are but they are far too expensive... 185,499,998.9 just to be able to enjoy a certain play style, there needs to be cloaking ships at the lower end price scale e.g cruisers.
As said, they are exactly what you asked. Cloaky cruiser with blaster and drones = Proteus, The Terror from the Deep.
You don't lose them nearly that often, and give very much return for your money. Cheapest setups are around 500mil, people commonly pimp them a bit with deadspace, faction and T2 rigs, taking the price closer to 1bil.
"Far too expensive" is a subjective opinion, and I think you need to work on your finances a bit.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:23:00 -
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It is a very good point that cov ops is a specialization that was a good point and you got me there, but can any of you understand how frustrating it is that you can only target and damage large targets, if the bomber could fit a weapon system that could fire on all targets i would be happy, something better then rockets lol. You could argue that since it is weak hull in general fitting better missile weapon systems could make sense. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:25:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:You can fit a bomber with small guns and rockets
you can even fit it with torpedos.
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:33:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:It is a very good point that cov ops is a specialization that was a good point and you got me there, but can any of you understand how frustrating it is that you can only target and damage large targets, if the bomber could fit a weapon system that could fire on all targets i would be happy, something better then rockets lol. You could argue that since it is weak hull in general fitting better missile weapon systems could make sense.
Can't say I really understand your frustration. If you want a cheap, fast covops frigate that is designed for coordinated fleets and ruthlessly efficient against large targets, you fly a bomber. If you want a normal combat ship with a covert ops cloak, you fly a cloaky T3. Or a Pilgrim.
It's really that simple.
Also, you can do good damage in a bomber against smaller ships with proper choice of torps, a painter and good skills.
An example http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16912672
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:44:00 -
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Ok i stand corrected i will fit rockets and see how it goes and post the effectiveness here, i didn't think rockets would be any good but after reading it does mention anti-drone and frigate, i was indeed wrong, even so i am happy that the option exists hopefully the weapon works well on my next low sec roam. |
Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:33:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:Ok i stand corrected i will fit rockets and see how it goes and post the effectiveness here, i didn't think rockets would be any good but after reading it does mention anti-drone and frigate, i was indeed wrong, even so i am happy that the option exists hopefully the weapon works well on my next low sec roam.
It won't, but have fun anyway. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:46:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:Ok i stand corrected i will fit rockets and see how it goes and post the effectiveness here, i didn't think rockets would be any good but after reading it does mention anti-drone and frigate, i was indeed wrong, even so i am happy that the option exists hopefully the weapon works well on my next low sec roam.
Use Javelins and train up Guided Missile Precision rather.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:I know about Recon cruisers but they are far too expensive just for wanting a certain play-style being ambush / hunting , i think the issue could be resolved through a cloaking module that allows you to come in and out of cloak while in combat for a combat cloaking cruiser.... I'm wasting my time with this i know people are too narrow minded to accept an out of the box view from the standard as far as anyone is concerned cloaking is for scouting / scanning is has to be pigeonholed into a 'role'.
People are mindful enough to determine a botter posting on forums. You're quite brave to show your face, you know? |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:36:00 -
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No bot, but i am brave enough to point out an issue no one wants to touch, All i am saying is that the bomber could use some improvements in my opinion, in a missile weapon system that can be used on a wider range of targets that's it , that is no different from a battleship being able to kill a frigate with drones it *Does* have that option which is my point. people posting on this thread have already confirmed rockets wont work so i rest my case :-) |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:44:00 -
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Guided Missile Precision
Guided Missile Precision Skill at precision missile homing. Proficiency at this skill increases the accuracy of a fired missile's exact point of impact, resulting in greater damage to small targets. >>>5% decreased factor of signature radius for light, heavy and cruise missile explosions per level of skill.<<<<<<<< ( Torpedo's) ??
I could be wrong but there is nothing on Torpedo's in the description. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.25 23:54:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:No bot, but i am brave enough to point out an issue no one wants to touch, All i am saying is that the bomber could use some improvements in my opinion, in a missile weapon system that can be used on a wider range of targets that's it , that is no different from a battleship being able to kill a frigate with drones it *Does* have that option which is my point. people posting on this thread have already confirmed rockets wont work so i rest my case :-)
For a T1 battleship that's one thing. Even a T1 cruiser like the Omen has options that allow it fend off hostiles it's not exactly prepared for while still being able to perform its general role (DPS). However a T2 ship is a specialty ship. It gives up some aspects in favor of others, giving it "blind spots" while becoming very proficient in its role. Take the Zealot, the T2 Omen. Its specialty is in utilizing its lasers to perform well at medium to long ranges in addition to short while giving up the ability to field any sort of point defense.
The higher the specialization, the more it has to give up. Cloaks even more so as it gives a ship the ability to choose what it engages and where.
In the case of a Stealth Bombers, it has the ability to use a cloak (choose its engagements) while being able to take out ships many more times its size... especially in groups. Right now, only the Stealth Bomber has the ability to take out 100+ fleets of ships with just a groups of 5 or 6... or melt a single battleship very fast... and then get out of a situation much more quickly than a ship with similar firepower.
What the Stealth Bomber gives up is the ability to tank any reasonable amount of damage and is weak against ships its own size.
Recon ships are similarly gimped for similar reasons... but not exactly in the same ways.
What you are asking for is a combat ship that can choose whatever it wants to engage whenever it wants... while giving up little (or nothing) in terms of combat ability. That's "overpowered" to many of us.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:02:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:
Guided Missile Precision
Guided Missile Precision Skill at precision missile homing. Proficiency at this skill increases the accuracy of a fired missile's exact point of impact, resulting in greater damage to small targets. >>>5% decreased factor of signature radius for light, heavy and cruise missile explosions per level of skill.<<<<<<<< ( Torpedo's) ??
I could be wrong but there is nothing on Torpedo's in the description.
It got updated to work on rockets, hams, and torps in retribution. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:18:00 -
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Thank-you Akuyaku :-) for that info i had been reading the info but i must have missed it along the way i have been away for a few months, thats excellent ill make sure i have that skill trained that's all i wanted, perhaps the description should get updated then ? well with that info i guess the purpose of the post is void :P
But before i go....(Hunting) :-)
My fit ideas would be target painters and the missile guidance skill and the missile upgrade on the low slot - if i am missing anything besides the other missile skills, please advise, thanks for your help and advice I am glad that skill got updated. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:13:00 -
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Thanks again for everyone's help and advice - and very happy that the guidance missile skill got updated :-) |
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