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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:44:00 -
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A couple of thoughts:
1.) The covert cloak is an Extremely potent tool.... This is why ships that can fit them are generally weaker.
2.) Covert Ambushes are all about target selection.... since you are completely safe until you uncloak, you essentially get to pick and choose the targets most "appropriate" to engage...
3.) There are many combat capable covert ships: Force recons are amazing force mutlipliers, capable of disabling most ships. T3 ships are very combat capable, offering excellent dps. Stealth bombers are great at taking out larger ships, although they are fragile. You can also cloak ANY ship.... you just aren't mobile with them... If you are setting up ambushes, you don't always need them to move while cloaked!!!
4.) If you make a ship that can cloaked even when targeted by an enemy, you will have a VERY OP ship.... no!!!
5.) A Recon is about the same price as a BS. I understand PvPing on a budget... and have done many "budget" Ops in my day. Either put a cloak on a t1 hull, or improve your target selection so you don't lose it. The prohibitive cost helps enforce the risk/reward in using it... |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 05:30:00 -
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I like cloaky stuff myself and primarily fly a bomber, but what you are asking for is never going to happen. You want a ship that has the luxury of a covert ops cloak so you can pick your targets 100% of the time, plus be able to engage anything, plus be able to cloak up in the middle of combat so you can never die.
Um. No.
If you want a cloaky ship that can solo, consider the Pilgrim. It's quite deadly.
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Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 07:46:00 -
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Combat ship with covert ops cloak?
Hate to state the obvious but... My Cheetah has
- 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level
- 10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Optimal Range per level
What's the problem? (for some reason CCP is turning the & into & - derp) |
Arronicus
vintas industries
Mistakes Were Made.
432
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Posted - 2013.03.27 07:58:00 -
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So, OP wants Force recons/Strategic Cruisers...
But now that OP realizes that they have a high price tag, op wants those ships, but for 10mil?
Oh, and on top of that, wants them to cloak, while in combat?
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Nope. Can't see that absolutely destroying pvp in Eve and ruining any semblance of ship balance currently existing. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:04:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:I would like c.c.p to consider a new ship line or a current combat ship hull but with a covert ops cloaking bonus on it,
Its just that i am not so happy with just being able to use a stealth bomber for sneak attacks and would like a fighting ship rather then just the bomber using torpedoes, its too restrictive as it can only hit large targets, i want to use a cruiser i do warp while cloaked in and then get into fights using say blasters or drones , etc.. the only difference that the new ship line would have is a covert ops cloaking bonus i do not think that is too much to ask, i am happy with the retribution ship changes they were excellent but if cloaking ships could get some more options that would top it off, i prefer the cloaking / stealth play-style but the bomber only being able to damage large targets is too restrictive.
you are actually asking for something that already exist.
a pilgrim is able to solo a strategic with no problems.
a rapier / falcon / arazu can take out up to battlecruiser solo provided you know how to fit & play them
or go for a strategic with cov ops module, those can field up to 800 dps or 106k ehp, wich is strong enought to take out big targets pretty easily.
and i'm just talking about solo pvp here, combine them and / or add a few SB and you can achieve impressive things even with 2 or 3 pilots.
so what are you asking? |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:14:00 -
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Scorpionstrike wrote:I know what they are but they are far too expensive... 185,499,998.9 just to be able to enjoy a certain play style, there needs to be cloaking ships at the lower end price scale e.g cruisers.
if you think 186m isk is expansive pvp, then we do not play the same game...
1- a correct strategic cruiser pvp fit goes at least around 400-500m with T2 fit (because of subsystems)
2- they offer a very big advantage, in the way they can cloak, deal big dps, have a correct tank with resists above 60% at least ( a BS tank ), with good EWAR capabilities (not all at the same time indeed).
such advantages need to come at a price, in isk, in SP and in piloting skills, and the risk of engaging them has to be high, hence why you loose SP when you get killed in such a ship, and why insurance gives you peanuts for it.
the day a strategic cruiser cost 30M with fit, this will not be eve online, this would be Strategic cruisers online, and i hope this will never happen |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:20:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:So, OP wants Force recons/Strategic Cruisers...
But now that OP realizes that they have a high price tag, op wants those ships, but for 10mil?
Oh, and on top of that, wants them to cloak, while in combat?
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Nope. Can't see that absolutely destroying pvp in Eve and ruining any semblance of ship balance currently existing.
on my side, i want a frig sized ship, with 20 bombers, a doomsday, a cloack, turrets dealing sieged dread DPS, cloacky, and able to warp at 15 au/s (but not immune to ewar, needs to be balanced).
for that, i don't want to spend more than 100m isk, and a player need to be able to fully fly it after 1 month of skill training.
and the engine trail shall look like a rainbow |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
1955
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:38:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote:Combat ship with covert ops cloak? Hate to state the obvious but... My Cheetah has
- 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level
- 10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Optimal Range per level
What's the problem? (for some reason CCP is turning the & into & - derp)
Helios is better... although it usually doesn't fit a cloak when engaging in combat...
Helios vs Taranis
Helios vs Slicer
Helios vs Auto Wolf
Helios vs Arty Wolf
Helios vs Jaguar
Helios vs Harpy
Helios vs Thrasher
Helios vs Sabre
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:42:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:2.) Covert Ambushes are all about target selection.... since you are completely safe until you uncloak, you essentially get to pick and choose the targets most "appropriate" to engage...
I've made this mistake too. Then there was smartbombing AFK'ers at gate. |
Scorpionstrike
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 15:45:00 -
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I have read and understand all the concerns posted and i am happy with stealth bombers now that i realized that the missile precision skill has been changed, i guess ill have to re-write that section.
>>>Thank-you Akuyaku :-) for that info i had been reading the info but i must have missed it along the way i have been away for a few months, thats excellent ill make sure i have that skill trained that's all i wanted, perhaps the description should get updated then ? well with that info i guess the purpose of the post is void :P<<<
I'm simply offering ideas for better cloaking play-style / hulls, that is what this section of the forum is about after all its not like i am a dev lol, (I feel your pain) i just want more options in choice of stealth ships and what they are capable of, i like the play-style and don't want to see it get left behind as the other hulls rebalance. |
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