As we all know, there is no real PVP going on in null. However, a donut seems to imply there is an area in the middle where there is conflict, or real PVP, or something going on. However, the middle is hisec, which is even more blue than null. I propose the term "Blue Cookie" to reflect how essentially all of Eve is blue to each other. This accurately reflects how there is no real PVP anymore, and how everyone gets a cookie for playing in the form or SRP from their moon goo.

the whole donut term is well misleading as hell. look at test and or goons killboards. or ours for that matter. if we were all blue there would be no kills right?
hate to tell you guys but your bieng trolled on the highest level. we are fighting like mad in null. want some proof?
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D16954635&Raiden_=blue&THORN_Alliance=blue&WALLTREIPERS_ALLIANCE=blue&Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore=blue&Tribal_Band=blue&Unclaimed_=blue&EntroPraetorian_Aegis=blue&Initiative_Mercenaries=blue&Darkness_of_Despair=red&Insidious_Empire=blue&The_Gurlstas_Associates=blue&Test_Friends_Please_Ignore=blue&Against_ALL_Authorities=red#assign

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D16957678&Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore=blue&Raiden_=blue&Tribal_Band=blue&WALLTREIPERS_ALLIANCE=blue&Unclaimed_=blue&Cha_Ching_PLC=blue&Darkness_of_Despair=red&EntroPraetorian_Aegis=blue&Test_Friends_Please_Ignore=blue&THORN_Alliance=blue&Claimed_=blue&Insidious_Empire=blue&Squee_=blue&No_value=red&Against_ALL_Authorities=red&Stain_Empire=red#assign


this is only but a small ammount of what went on yesterday. and we do this 7 days a wekk 23/7

the whole donut term is well misleading as hell. look at test and or goons killboards. or ours for that matter. if we were all blue there would be no kills right?..

Its not the pilots that are blue to each other, its the solar systems that are blue. That is; its OK to kill the other pilot, but never ever attack their solar system.

Not really... turn on the pvp stuff in your map... red in the center with all the goodness of nullsecbear alts mining with a blue nap around the edge... looks like a donut.

the whole donut term is well misleading as hell. look at test and or goons killboards. or ours for that matter. if we were all blue there would be no kills right?
hate to tell you guys but your bieng trolled on the highest level. we are fighting like mad in null. want some proof?

As we all know, there is no real PVP going on in null. However, a donut seems to imply there is an area in the middle where there is conflict, or real PVP, or something going on. However, the middle is hisec, which is even more blue than null. I propose the term "Blue Cookie" to reflect how essentially all of Eve is blue to each other. This accurately reflects how there is no real PVP anymore, and how everyone gets a cookie for playing in the form or SRP from their moon goo.

I can't imagine the level of jealousy and angst a person must have to make one look at a situation (like null sec, or pvp in general) and come to such provably incorrect (not to mention trollish) conclusion.

To belive in this "blue food" idiocy, you'd have to think that:

A- Every null sec alliance and colaition is fueld by "moon goo"

And

B- Only sov related PVP is PVP.

The 1st is demonstrably untrue (only 500 Tech moons in the whole game, Alliance get income from lots of sources like rent, levys from member corps etc etc), the 2nd is a crazy rationalization that could only be adopted by someone with an agenda.

The real truth is that, while "Sov" could be better, nothing is terribly wrong with null sec (same with low sec). The problem is that your average gamer is an anti-social, risk averse (omg I can't lose my pixels) nerd. no amount of gerrymandering the game to encourage people out of high sec is going to change that basic fact, therefore even "hardcore" games like EVE online will eventually be overrun by carebears who sit safely in protected space complaining about "Blue" stuff.

The real truth is that, while "Sov" could be better, nothing is terribly wrong with null sec (same with low sec).

If you want to know where REAL conflict is happening, just look up recent SBU and TCU kills on eve-kill.net.

Unless, of course, one of the major coalitions splinters from within, giving the other a clear and decisive advantage.

I have little doubt that if the CFC suddenly went **** up and split into 15 different smaller alliances all bickering with one another, the HBC would jump on that like a fat kid on cake. And vice versa - leadership would be silly not to.

Apparently you've been under a rock lately.

HBC is falling apart. Montolio (leader of TEST) has stepped down, some of the corps are fighting over who gets what, and the new leadership is making sweeping changes to try and fix it all. If CFC was really interested in beating HBC out of existence, now would be the perfect time to inflict some serious damage.

Except they're not. Because, yanno, RMT.

Except I don't think it is - the right time I mean. As much as the members of the HBC are squabbling like twins made to share the same bedroom for too long, I think they'd unite fairly rapidly when faced with a common enemy. Now, if an actual shooting war breaks out within the HBC, I may revise my stance.

Valid points.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. It seems that a lot of players are fascinated by the whole HBC vs CFC thing, like it's some kind of reality tv show.

Valid points.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. It seems that a lot of players are fascinated by the whole HBC vs CFC thing, like it's some kind of reality tv show.

Just to respond to your points.

A- Every null sec alliance and colaition is fueld by "moon goo"

The two relevant coalitions are. Sure, there are other alliances and coalitions in eve, but they aren't more than a bump in the road to the two tech coalitions. There are also renters as income, but renters are basically the same as tech moons. As long as structures aren't getting shot, they're not at risk.

B- Only sov related PVP is PVP.

No, only PVP where both parties are risking something is real PVP. Fleets shooting other fleets for fun isn't real PVP, all the ships are reimbursed and no one loses anything. Ganking in hisec isn't real PVP, the ganker risks nothing. Hot drops aren't real PVP, the dropper risks nothing, etc. Real PVP involves risk by both sides, which only happens in WH space these days.

If you want to know where REAL conflict is happening, just look up recent SBU and TCU kills on eve-kill.net.

Not really... turn on the pvp stuff in your map... red in the center with all the goodness of nullsecbear alts mining with a blue nap around the edge... looks like a donut.

You guys aren't fighting over anything of value though. There's no sov war going on, no structures being shot. You undock what your SRP will replace for you, if there's any risk you might lose isk, you don't fight. It's not real PVP when it's without consequences.

Wormhole space seems to be the last refuge of PVP in eve.