You see two feet in front of you. I see for miles.

[...but honestly a lot of us just find that boring

Honestly I think human nature is more to blame than anything for the "big blue donut". If your big enough to take the space and fight harder than the guy who had it before you its nautral that once you own it you want to reap its benefits. Continued fighting other than for a break in boredum interups people running annoms and plexes and looses isk rather than gain it. Face it most people go to null seeking isk not epic fights.
I started out in 0.0 in the epic failure that was FREGE back when everyone practically stopped fighting to stare when a carrier would land on grid because not very many people would even commit a capital unless victory was certain...even back then we were in a Mutal Aid in Defense (MAD) pact with most of the left half of the donut so I don't buy the story that supers made the donut happen either.
Even if null was given unlimited industrial slots in stations, mega veldspar and scordite astroids, agents in null stations, easier ways to take sov than massive grinds or any of the other "fixes" ive seen on the forums I don't think the donut would change. I think we are at a point where most alliances are going to failscade internally long before external agression pushes them out of their sov. Its human nature to not risk what you have to get something that is not any better than than what you have already and have to spend time and money to get.

I don't know. I guess some people need to attach the label 'Holy Grail' on to something. Wormholes may not have local (yay!), but that leads to smashing the directional scanner button every two seconds (lame) in another effort to stay safe. With enough people on, you can large bubble any entrances to your system and stick an alt there cloaked with the volume all the way up so when someone jumps in, you hear it. The moment you do everyone gets safe. Another thing is it is common practice to not log in anything as an invader till you have enough people there to do a slaughter. Is that ~good fights~? Of course not.

Maybe it earns that title from people by the simple fact of no cynos. How many fights these days in null and even low sec result in one side starting to lose a sub cap fight and suddely...

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Enter on the field, well... anything. Anything from more sub capital ships from a titan bridge, to carriers, to dreads, to super carriers and even titans to body slam onto the "I Win!" button.

Sure it can lead to a massive battle where it makes the news and thousands of people are involved, but how often does that really happen? Once a year?, maybe? Bottom line is there is people who will easily give up on the an annual large battle to have dozens and dozens (even more) good small to medium scale battles without the holy grail of power projection. The cyno.

You guys aren't fighting over anything of value though. There's no sov war going on, no structures being shot. You undock what your SRP will replace for you, if there's any risk you might lose isk, you don't fight. It's not real PVP when it's without consequences.

Wormhole space seems to be the last refuge of PVP in eve.

pvp stands for Player vs Player, i had no idea the hi-sec and WH-space people were this stupid.

Why is that an acceptable practice in W-Space, but not in Null? Why do they have to go shoot buildings for days under TiDi to please you?

i dunno. maybe because 0.0 is trademark of CCP? Maybe 0.0 is like endgame in Eve Online?
Maybe because children games are good when children play it and not when amateur play it?

*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.

i dunno. maybe because 0.0 is trademark of CCP? Maybe 0.0 is like endgame in Eve Online?
Maybe because children games are good when children play it and not when amateur play it?

Er, no it isn't

*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.

Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.

I think everyone seems to be missing the point or in a few cases interpreting the Blue Donut as to be literally a donut with a blue hue.

The Blue Donut is a metaphor for alliances who have good standings with other alliances, whom also have good standings with their neighbors, whom also have good standings with their neighbors, so on and so forth which creates a ring. One alliance on one side of the galaxy may not necessarily be on good standings with another on the other side of the galaxy, but through a friend of a friend of a friend they really are.

Hence the term Blue Donut.

0/10

As we all know, there is no real PVP going on in null. However, a donut seems to imply there is an area in the middle where there is conflict, or real PVP, or something going on. However, the middle is hisec, which is even more blue than null. I propose the term "Blue Cookie" to reflect how essentially all of Eve is blue to each other. This accurately reflects how there is no real PVP anymore, and how everyone gets a cookie for playing in the form or SRP from their moon goo.

Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.

2 entities who are, er.... not blue to each other?

Yeah, thatGÇÖs just one of those inconvenient facts that the tinfoil brigade here like to ignore.

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The blue donut shows how good some people in this game are at diplomacy. If we ever make 1st contact with an alien race (for real!), we could have The Mittani as our head representative. Surely, is diplomatic talents would lead into a peaceful relation with said aliens. This would help us become blue to them (if it happens).

The blue donut shows how good some people in this game are at diplomacy. If we ever make 1st contact with an alien race (for real!), we could have The Mittani as our head representative. Surely, is diplomatic talents would lead into a peaceful relation with said aliens. This would help us become blue to them (if it happens).

No sovereignty changes occured in March 2013

Yeah, thatGÇÖs just one of those inconvenient facts that the tinfoil brigade here like to ignore.

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