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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
4660
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:52:00 -
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Hello again everyone. Just as we did with the T1 frigates, we've done a quick pass over the T1 cruisers to look for obvious places where they needed adjustment. As always it's important to note that changes like these take time to settle into the EVE meta, so we want to make small changes and watch the results. Once past the initial tiericide maintaining these ships is a lot like seasoning a soup, take it slow and adjust to taste.
So here's our first set of follow-up tweaks to help with little issues that have appeared surrounding T1 cruisers.
The changes include a reduction to the electronics systems on the Support Cruisers (Lock range, scan resolution and sensor strength) to make them more vulnerable to electronic warfare and further distinguish them from their tech two counterparts.
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.
Adjustments are:
Augoror:
-2.5km Lock Range
-85 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength
Exequror:
-70 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength
Osprey:
-2.5km Lock Range
-70 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength
Scythe:
-85 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength
Omen:
-600,000 Mass
Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth
And the full ship stats for reference with changes highlighted and underlined.
Augoror:
Role bonuses: +1000% remote armor repair system and energy transfer array range. +200% energy transfer amount
Amarr Cruiser bonuses: -5% remote armor repair system capacitor use and +12.5% remote armor repair system amount per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 3 M, 5 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 650 PWG, 275 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1000 / 1650 / 1550
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1500 / 300 s / 5
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 210 / 0.68 / 10730000 / 6.8 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20 / 20
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km (-2.5) / 300 (-85) / 8
Sensor strength: 13 (-1) Radar
Signature radius: 90
Osprey:
Role bonuses: +1000% to shield transfer and energy transfer array range. +200% energy transfer amount
Caldari Cruiser bonuses: -5% shield transfer capacitor use and +12.5% shield transfer repair amount per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 5 M, 3 L, 1 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 425 PWG, 410 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1650 / 1000 / 1450
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1375 / 275 s / 5
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 200 / 0.59 / 11230000 / 6.2 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20 / 20
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 62.5km (-2.5) / 280 (-70) / 8
Sensor strength: 15 (-1) Gravimetric
Signature radius: 95
Exequror:
Role bonuses: +1000% remote armor repair system range and +100% drone repair amount
Gallente Cruiser bonuses: -5% remote armor repair system capacitor use and +12.5% remote armor repair system amount per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 6 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 610 PWG, 275 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1000 / 1400 / 1600
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1375 / 264 s / 5.2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 295 (-70) / 8
Sensor strength: 14 (-1) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 80
Scythe:
Role bonuses: +1000% to shield transfer and +100% drone repair amount
Minmatar Cruiser bonuses: -5% shield transfer capacitor use and +12.5% shield transfer repair amount per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 5 L, 2 turrets, 1 launchers
Fittings: 310 PWG, 315 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1400 / 1100 / 1300
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1250 / 240 s / 5.2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250 / 0.6 / 11110000 / 6.2 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 / 45
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 315 (-85) / 8
Sensor strength: 12 (-1) Ladar
Signature radius: 75
Omen:
Amarr Cruiser bonuses: -5% medium energy turret rate of fire and -10% medium energy turret capacitor use per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 3 M, 6 L, 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 925 PWG, 315 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1200 / 1700 / 1500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1475 / 526 s / 2.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 235 / 0.51 / 11050000 (-600,000) / 5.3s (-0.3)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 40 / 40
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 300 / 6
Sensor strength: 15 Radar
Signature radius: 115
Stabber:
Minmatar Cruiser bonuses: -5% medium projectile turret rate of fire and +10% (+2.5) medium projectile turret falloff per level
Slot layout: 6 H, 4 M, 4 L, 4 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 715 PWG, 340 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1600 / 1300 / 1300
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1200 / 428 s / 2.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 290 / 0.5 / 1140000 / 5.3 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+25) / 25 (+25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 47.5km / 320 / 5
Sensor strength: 13 Ladar
Signature radius: 100
As usual, feedback is desired and we'll be getting them onto the test servers for public testing as soon as possible.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Hoarr
Asgard.
Exodus.
112
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:55:00 -
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Nice tweaks,, Fozzie keep it up. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2364
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:57:00 -
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Good stuff.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Litt Up
Litt Nothing and Nobody
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:58:00 -
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This should get Sort Dragon to login, lmao
And does that stabber chage effect the sfi? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
739
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:00:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.
Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?
Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1388
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:00:00 -
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This can't be right, in the other thread they said you don't care and don't play. I see your tricks, I WON'T BE FOOLED. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
738
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:01:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Stabber:
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth
More drone bays for ships again? The drone ships are looking less land less attractive each patch.
Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
898
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:11:00 -
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mynnna wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.
Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?
i guess their logs show stuffz
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Paul Maken
The Rising Stars
Initiative Mercenaries
24
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:12:00 -
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I don't suppose you could add a tiny bit of lock range to the Scythe? It needs a couple hundred meters more as right now with skill to 5, it locks 65.63km and the reppers go to 66km. The Exequror by comparison locks to 68.75km with the same 66km rep range. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
4668
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:14:00 -
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mynnna wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.
Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?
Couple of ways. The more subjective judgement from flying with them and watching for them on TQ (and following feedback in multiple places) plays a part, but objectively I can say for instance that the number of people getting on killmails with Omens and Stabbers on a daily basis is clustered quite significantly lower than Caracals and Thorax.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
898
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:16:00 -
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ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...
two very different things there bro...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Hoarr
Asgard.
Exodus.
112
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:18:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...
two very different things there bro...
Where's the place bounty button on the forums? |
Mizhir
Shrubbery Acquisitions
10657
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:23:00 -
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Nice changes.
While I tend to fly t1 logis alot, I agree that it is only fair that the t2 ones get a bigger advantage.
Stabber changes are welcome aswell. Adding drones to the stabber haven't really been what I have thought about to fix its dps, it is still better than nothing. But what about supporting the split weapon layout instead? Like letting the ROF bonus (and maybe also range) affect missiles as well.
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1614
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:23:00 -
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nice falloff compensation for the minmatar motivated TE nerf. don't know what to say.
a eve-style bounty system (done)-á
dust boarding parties
You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
898
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:25:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:MeBiatch wrote:ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...
two very different things there bro... Where's the place bounty button on the forums?
its called the dictionary:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Polish
its just funny because for the last month i was thinking they were making Polish Passes and i was like wtf is that...
now i am literally LMAO... at my stupidness...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
739
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:25:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:mynnna wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.
Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"? Couple of ways. The more subjective judgement from flying with them and watching for them on TQ (and following feedback in multiple places) plays a part, but objectively I can say for instance that the number of people getting on killmails with Omens and Stabbers on a daily basis is clustered quite significantly lower than Caracals and Thorax.
Thereby indicating that people think the ships aren't good enough to be using. That's about what I figured, I was just curious. 
Mynnna for CSM 8 |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
899
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:29:00 -
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that lower mass on the omen whats its max speed with a mwd on now? seems like it will be pretty good now...
not sure the stabber needed 5 lights perhaps 3 max tbh...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Boris Amarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:32:00 -
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What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
738
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:35:00 -
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Boris Amarr wrote:What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay.
They will do navy ships after the T1 ships or somewhere in that area, but not just because they rebalanced a T1 hull that has a navy variant.
You should take this opportunity to capitalize on the poor navy hulls, then when they become good sell for huge profit.
Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Alara IonStorm
4803
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:35:00 -
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Excellent changes Fozzie, I can not wait to give the Stabber a Stab.
MeBiatch wrote:its called the dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Polishits just funny because for the last month i was thinking they were making Polish Passes and i was like wtf is that... now i am literally LMAO... at my stupidness...
Caught me for a moment too on the previous threads. I read Polish pass on the first read and was like wait...
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
438
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:37:00 -
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Boris Amarr wrote:What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay.
I am also looking forward to the faction cruisers being useful again, but that's in the queue IIRC from Fozzie's previous posts. |
Tsubutai
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:43:00 -
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The stabber change is much needed. However, while the omen change is nice (no one's gonna say no to more speed/maneuverability), its real issues stem from its fitting, capacitor, and slot layout. Giving it a fourth mid so it can fit point/web/injector or just more generous base cap would go a long way to making it more attractive. |
Mariner6
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
111
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:44:00 -
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This is cool, the awesome Omen just got better. But of course the TE change will tone it down a bit. Yep only, 10K EHP and yet this ridiculous boat I find survives more fights that any other cruiser T1 Cruiser I've flown. 2500m/s! Give it a try. This change will make it even better.
[Omen, Gank]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Overdrive Injector System II (because the nano kills what little tank you have.)
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Hornet EC-300 x5 |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3231
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:49:00 -
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I approve. I don't know how the TE changes will shake out with these guys in mind, but it might just be a wash because TEs nerf everyone equally.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mariner6
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
111
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:55:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I approve. I don't know how the TE changes will shake out with these guys in mind, but it might just be a wash because TEs nerf everyone equally.
-Liang
Not really, looks like they buffed the stabber's fall off to compensate for the TE nerf, leaving it in a very nice spot. Plus the full flight of drones.... It will be very nice now and quite the tackle killer.
And of course missile boats vs gun boat range comparison such as HAM caracal vs gun boat kite fit cruiser is way off now ...... |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
739
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:02:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:that lower mass on the omen whats its max speed with a mwd on now? seems like it will be pretty good now...
not sure the stabber needed 5 lights perhaps 3 max tbh...
With max skills it goes 1948m/s right now. That'll bump to 2009 with the mass reduction, so it gains about 50m/s.
By comparison to the other attack cruisers, a Thorax (with no armor rigs/modules) goes 2028m/s, a Caracal goes 1881m/s, and a Stabber goes 2435.
Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
505
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:02:00 -
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Seems pretty good overall, although I think the maller could use a touch more capacitor and all the logi cruisers a touch less. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
738
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:06:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Boris Amarr wrote:What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay. They will do navy ships after the T1 ships or somewhere in that area, but not just because they rebalanced a T1 hull that has a navy variant. You should take this opportunity to capitalize on the poor navy hulls, then when they become good sell for huge profit.
I stand corrected.
Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
21
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:08:00 -
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FIRST. |
Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
129
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:16:00 -
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Thank you kindly for giving the stabber a bit more bite. *Salute* |
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