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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.09.02 03:18:00 -
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what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it...
Flying Amarr HACs but wondering if perhaps i might like to try an Eagle or Munnin.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.09.02 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jorev on 02/09/2005 03:39:22
When the only thing you have is Caldari Cruiser 5, and the alternative is Cerberus, Eagle is your way to get on killmails, usually landing the last place while you're cruising in a ganksquad.
Of course, when you also have Amarr cruiser 5, then you can use Eagle to travel in style to the system where you can find a Zealot for sale. Tho, some could argue, shuttle would be more efficient 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.02 03:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Jorev
Edited by: Jorev on 02/09/2005 03:39:22
When the only thing you have is Caldari Cruiser 5, and the alternative is Cerberus, Eagle is your way to get on killmails, usually landing the last place while you're cruising in a ganksquad.
Of course, when you also have Amarr cruiser 5, then you can use Eagle to travel in style to the system where you can find a Zealot for sale. Tho, some could argue, shuttle would be more efficient
rofl..
Eagle isn't too horrible, it could use a ROF bonus instead of the second optimal bonus, then it would be awesome.. but Caldari aren't allowed to have cool ships, so..
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Cody on 02/09/2005 06:57:57
well 60KM antimatter is awesome. So having said that its not the greatest solo ship. However...put that bad mammajamma in a fleet and use more than one...say 3 eagles as fire support and if you can fit a cheapo cloaking device on em. They make great anti-frig and cruiser snipers. Here's a situation:
your uber fleet of PWN1337 battleships is fleeing the scene of a near cluster*blank* bring in yer 3 eagles 40KM behind the gate that you are escaping through. They target the pursuers as they arrive at the gate and give em something to think about. Your retreating forces can either make a stand or keep going. if they keep ging the fire support eagles cloak...align to a safe...unclaok and warp out damn fast and re claok until no longer PvP flagged.
eagles probably took out a pursuing cruiser or warp scrambling friggie/ceptor. YAY EAGLE!!!
edit: claok should be spelled cloak. Feel free to ridicule me. 
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Motaka
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Posted - 2005.09.02 07:59:00 -
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As Jim said, a ROF bonus would be nice, or (it would never happen) as its a sniper platform, give it one more turret hardpoint.
I wub my eagle
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PAPA
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:10:00 -
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Well as i see it eagle and cerb are just frig killers,not much use other then that!
and yes i fly them, all the other hacs pwn them in the face
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Justin Cody
well 60KM antimatter is awesome.
Can we stop with the *****, please?
With 250mm (not the best choice for PvP, debatable), my optimal is 38km with decent skills. Counting max falloff is absolutely pointless, since it's the range at which you get ZERO hit 
On topic, I think the Eagle is the best Caldari ship, second to the Harpy.
Matter of tastes, probably, but especially until the missile overhaul gets overhauled, missile ships are meh at best, excepted the Raven (debatable too).
In fleets, it's an invaluable asset, far superior to some other HACs because it will land hits before other ships can, and it is one of the best anti-frig platforms out there.
It can't compete in 1vs1 against the best HACs under most circumstances, but we know it, and have to deal with it, unfortunately.
For deepspace ratting, if it matters at all, I'd fly my Beagle anyday over a Raven, and doing missions in a 250TII + 4 damage mods in an Eagle with a friend in a Raven is an awesome combination.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:45:00 -
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Blastereagle with 4x med neutron T2.
Enough damage and a nice tank , what do we need more ? 
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:29:00 -
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The player economy has practically put it on another tier of ships. It costs half what the better HACs cost, and has very little waiting list.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:41:00 -
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Jim Raynor we should start a "Fix Caldari hacs ffs" club 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:49:00 -
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"what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it..."
Well, Alasse seems to kill all sorts of people will it, and will come here to bite fingers of anyone who suggests a change. So i guess it's useful.
Personally, can't get over the "dead chicken, left out of fridge for a week" look and colour of it, tbh >>;;
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CJ Taylor
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 02/09/2005 17:51:30
"what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it..."
Well, Alasse seems to kill all sorts of people with it, and will come here to bite fingers of anyone who suggests a change. So i guess it's useful.
Personally, can't get over the "dead chicken, left out of fridge for a week" look and colour of it, tbh >>;;
Alasse kills are mostly from a huge fleet. That doesnt really prove its effectiveness.
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LOPEZ
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:17:00 -
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The eagle is fine as is. The best part is that you can use ew with it (dampies or ecm). I have a range of about 39k with antimater and using ab to get to range means i can disable most ships or slow then down so i can get to range. Ive flown in many mix fleets with my eagle and my range and dampies, have not only saved my own back side but my gang m8s as well.People just have to stop trying to overtank a already tanked ship and also stoped using it as a tackler when it has a range of 30k plus with close rang amo. Ive never been a fan of the blaster eagle as i feel its a slap to what it saposed to be.I say train for a Deimos if you want to use blasters.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:27:00 -
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The ship has 5 medium slots for god sakes. Perfect EW platform where the only thing attacking it from your hac is your Drones. That's not going to be enough...
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Cardde
what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it...
Flying Amarr HACs but wondering if perhaps i might like to try an Eagle or Munnin.
sniping frigates
that's about it
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.03 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Personally, can't get over the "dead chicken, left out of fridge for a week" look and colour of it, tbh >>;;
LOL, I can't stop seeing a love banana when looking at an apoc, go figure.
Don't even get me started on the Thorax and it's very suggestive design, or LocoWreathe, or... anyways, I do love the look of the Moa/Eagle. It is 'special', assymetric (love it) and powerful.
And yes, the Eagle is mostly a fleet ship, and a pretty good one.
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Kwisat Haderach
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Posted - 2005.09.03 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: CJ Taylor
Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 02/09/2005 17:51:30
"what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it..."
Well, Alasse seems to kill all sorts of people with it, and will come here to bite fingers of anyone who suggests a change. So i guess it's useful.
Personally, can't get over the "dead chicken, left out of fridge for a week" look and colour of it, tbh >>;;
Alasse kills are mostly from a huge fleet. That doesnt really prove its effectiveness.
That's exactly what it proves, its effectiveness, since this is not a 1vs1 game but a Massive Multiplayer game.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.03 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kwisat Haderach
Originally by: CJ Taylor
Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 02/09/2005 17:51:30
"what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it..."
Well, Alasse seems to kill all sorts of people with it, and will come here to bite fingers of anyone who suggests a change. So i guess it's useful.
Personally, can't get over the "dead chicken, left out of fridge for a week" look and colour of it, tbh >>;;
Alasse kills are mostly from a huge fleet. That doesnt really prove its effectiveness.
That's exactly what it proves, its effectiveness, since this is not a 1vs1 game but a Massive Multiplayer game.
you can blob up with 100 other ships in an ibis and get on killmails too doesnt mean your ship dont suck something fierce.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.09.03 05:47:00 -
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so what is a good Eagle fleet set-up?
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.09.03 09:22:00 -
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250s, tracking enhancers and computers, and 2x sensor boosters.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.09.03 09:25:00 -
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I'd say it reprocess nicely but i'd get flamed.. 
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
250s, tracking enhancers and computers, and 2x sensor boosters.
So how does it survive the concentrated fire typically seen in a fleet combat?
That's a pretty expensive (uninsurable) ship to loose if an enemy fleet commander selects you as a primary... just for sh*ts and giggles!
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pwnz0r
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Posted - 2005.09.04 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Counting max falloff is absolutely pointless, since it's the range at which you get ZERO hit
I've always been under the impression that optimal + falloff = 50% hit chance?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.04 01:38:00 -
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"I've always been under the impression that optimal + falloff = 50% hit chance?"
That's what that tracking guide thingie says iirc, and since CCP decided to put it on their page i guess that's correct, then o.o;
(falloff is a point after which the chance to hit takes a nosedive all way to 0% at 2x falloff, or something to that effect
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.04 03:53:00 -
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I don't fly a guide, but a ship, and at 60 with AM I hit nothing.
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2005.09.04 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: PAPA
Well as i see it eagle and cerb are just frig killers,not much use other then that!
and yes i fly them, all the other hacs pwn them in the face
But why oh why would you allow your Eagle to be approached by the damage spewing Deimos or the Drone spewing Ishtar??? 
Use it as it's supposed to be used and you'll be fine so just keep your range and all will be rosy. Watch out for BS snipper ships though 
I know you all want to know how well every HAS stands up against the rest, but frankly that doesn't really matter too much as they have their own unique roles to perform and invariably it's not to tackle other HAS. 
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2005.09.04 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Justin Cody
Edited by: Justin Cody on 02/09/2005 06:57:57
well 60KM antimatter is awesome. So having said that its not the greatest solo ship. However...put that bad mammajamma in a fleet and use more than one...say 3 eagles as fire support and if you can fit a cheapo cloaking device on em. They make great anti-frig and cruiser snipers. Here's a situation:
your uber fleet of PWN1337 battleships is fleeing the scene of a near cluster*blank* bring in yer 3 eagles 40KM behind the gate that you are escaping through. They target the pursuers as they arrive at the gate and give em something to think about. Your retreating forces can either make a stand or keep going. if they keep ging the fire support eagles cloak...align to a safe...unclaok and warp out damn fast and re claok until no longer PvP flagged.
eagles probably took out a pursuing cruiser or warp scrambling friggie/ceptor. YAY EAGLE!!!
edit: claok should be spelled cloak. Feel free to ridicule me.
Well how about 3 Eagles and 2 Cerbs doing that role. The Eagles take point (at 100km or so ) and call targets and open up. The turrets will definitely hit first, but the missiles being spewed out will make the receiving target think long and hard about waiting for the incoming orbital bombardment to reach them.
Just think of using them in groups and then you can see the real advantage of these 2 ships working together in groups of 5 or more. I think that would be an awesome use for them in fleet battles.
Oh by the way what distance can you get using lead ammo because I always use that as my main type and switch to antimatter to finish off structures or stragglers.
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Patrick on 04/09/2005 09:26:35
Quote:
Well, Alasse seems to kill
lmao 666 kills...bet shes lovly
edit-btw sorry for the poor joke
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: Xavier Cardde
what is the typical PVP role of the Eagle and a set-up that best takes advantage of it...
Flying Amarr HACs but wondering if perhaps i might like to try an Eagle or Munnin.
sniping frigates
that's about it
Just killing support in general. And after the missile patch it's now probably the best ship left for this role.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:08:00 -
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I'd rather see it drop its second optimal range bonus for a RoF bonus. This would turn it into a mid-range HAC that does decent damage with a decent tank, but isn't exceptional at either.
Don't get me wrong, sniping is cool, but the Eagle is only really useful when you're camping a gate. I'm not a gate camper.
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