Caldari jamming is an unfair mechanic that cannot be balanced in it's current form and should be changed entirely.

i was doing the questionaire for CSM and there's this question

Make it no longer chance based but simply have every jammer on the target reduce sensor strength and once no sensor strength is left, it's jammed. This will also make the maths behind balancing them much more easy.

ECM is like a heavy hammer, if you hit your enemy dies, if you miss most likely you won't have a second chance.

permajamming sucks:
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16710949
What you don't see on this KM is that there was a thrasher also jammed

as much as being tracking disrupted sucks:
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16710616

as much as dampening sucks:
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16983277


I suppose it's not hard to see a trend here.

None of those links work...


If you get TD'd, you can still shoot back or scram/web somebody to escape, or use energy neutralizers to free yourself from a tackler. Etc.

If you get sensor damped, you either are too far away to be in danger... Or you need to man up and get closer. At the very least you can deal with tacklers.

When you get jammed, there is nothing you can do to counter it. All your offensive modules become worthless (besides smartbombs). And you just die.

Clearly a terrible mechanic.

so, people want to nerf ECM now too? how much more do the caldari need to get shafted?

Remove ecm drones, lower the ecm range and allow for atleast 1 lock even when jammed.

which isn't fun for any one.

basically a coin flip saying "do you get a chance to play?"

then again, short of removing it i'm not sure that there's much that can be done with ECM.

You just pulled both a scenario and numbers out of your ass to create a counterargument.

Congratulations. I am beaten. I can only surrender to this.

If I'm designing a fleet composition and I see a way to guarantee that I nullify any reasonable proportion of logistics ships at little-to no cost to myself (since I can nullify a bunch of DPS in the absence of Logi), what possible reason do I have to not do so?

In other words, why would that situation not happen under your proposal?

Because you made up jam strength numbers where none were given.

Because you made up jam strength numbers where none were given.

Should 12 Racial jammers* (not 12 strength, 12 modules aka 2 Falcons) be able to jam out a single ship under your proposal?

If so, my situation fits your proposal.
If not, what use is ECM under your proposal?


*Actually 16, if we assume the same 1:3 ratio of off-race to racial Jam strength, but who's counting.

So either it's overpowered or useless, with no middle ground possible. Alright. I'm done.

With your proposal, yes.

What can you do to your proposal to fix that, or can you find a third option?

Well, you're the one that has it figured all out. You tell me!

ECM does not offer good counter play. See this video for understanding what counter play is.

i came up with this nifty idea where ecm no longer breaks the lock of a ship but actually helps in determining the quality of a hit!

usually the chance to hit number is rated against x which is a random number generated between 0.001 to 1.0 which determind if a. the shot hits and b. how much damage the shot will do.

so the better your ships sensor strength the less damage is done to you and i fyou have enough ecm on you your sensor strenth goes down to 0 where shots can start doing wreking damage more often and less slightly hit..

it would take alot of work but i feel it would make ecm a balanced and not op game mechanic

I have said this once already today in another post about ECM, but here goes again.

to fix ECM CCP remove the chance base and goes back to the old method of using the attributes to calculate the jamming strength.

Second CCP modify both ECM and ECCM so they work as they should.

This way a ship that has ECCM fitted has a better chance of not getting jammed and a non ECM specialist ship can not jam a ship with a greater base sensor strength than the one jamming. This would bring ECM in line with all the other EWAR modules.
Then the only winges that should bo the forums about ECM would those pilots to stubborn to fit ECCM to there superpwn ship cause they don't want to loose DPS.

Yes no numbers quoted then that no argument over semantics that will be for CCP's dev. to sort out

ECM: Best way to disrupt logistics.

take ECM out of the game and you'll have people crying how OP logistics are.


I would say: fix drone interface, increase either drone bay size or drone durability and let's continue shooting Blackbirds with our drones

... or make F.O.F.s home in on ships using ECM modules. Now that would be fun .

Posting in an awesome stealth "remove all EWAR from the game - lets start with ECM" thread.

So far, three pages of why flying a paper thin Blackbird is so fun, even after it goes boom.

ECM as it currently works is a horrible game play mechanic as if you get jammed, you can't do anything about it, and as others have pointed out, your gameplay suddenly stops.

With the other EW, damps are powerful but are defeated by closing the distance (fwiw, damps are FAR to powerful as a gameplay mechanic considering they murder your lock times as well, they'd be just a useful if they only lowered lock range).

TD's are situational as missile users aren't currently affected and you have a valid gameplay mechanic to counter with as you can do some manual piloting to negate the effects of the lowered tracking if you're using guns.

Both of those have gameplay options to use to counter, ECM does not.


That all said, there was a really good suggestion in F&I the other day (I know I know), whereby ECM should be changed so that it simply jams you from targetting OTHER ships, but leaves you free to target the ship doing the jamming. That could be a very very interesting mechanic.

You forgot "moves like a brick, paper thin, BB" I hate flying those things. Props to anyone who sticks it out.

ECM as it currently works is a horrible game play mechanic as if you get jammed, you can't do anything about it, and as others have pointed out, your gameplay suddenly stops.

Well, you're the one that has it figured all out. You tell me!

the entire issue with jamming is it's based on an RNG system, which isn't fun for any one.
even more so when the RNG is basically a coin flip saying "do you get a chance to play?"

then again, short of removing it i'm not sure that there's much that can be done with ECM.