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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.16 12:12:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:This can in fact be a double edged sword where you actually need balance. You can't have either game affecting the other to much, but enough to make it interesting.
Imagine if right now someone from another game could take control of your POS with a raiding party and the only way you can really do anything about it is play that game as well, or get someone else in it to fight for you, does that sound inviting?
The concept of the EVE/Dust514 interaction sounds good in theory, but the implementation needs to be done correctly. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Yep. My guess is there will be two control elements, the TCU and some TCU link/power/supply/anchor blah blah on a planet, you have to have both to take a system. If it is just one, then Eve or Dust won't matter, but if you have to have both, then both matter.
Hopefully it is not just as simple as that, maybe each habital planet has to have some switch flipped as well, lpus the TCU things, so there is a multi-phased buld up. While feets are going after the SBUs, grunts aer going after the habital planets, then both team up on some sort of linked TCU assault |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:01:00 -
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Another problem I can see is if you can not play Dust without having an corp/alliance in Eve.
If for example we are able to bomb dustbunnies out of extinction at random and they have no way of fighting back then Dust will fail.
I mean this Eve, a game were people love griefing those who cant fight back so imagine what it would be like for those playing dust would be.
Who is going to invest in a game where you to have a presence in another game to have a chance to survive.
It will essentially be to play Dust not only will you have pay for that game but you will also have to pay for another game to stand a chance.
Yes you can work with corps/alliances in Eve so you don't have to purchase Eve but considering Eve is based on the theme of "Do not trust anybody" can't see that working to well. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:26:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:Steveir wrote:Well the tie in deal with Sony could prove to be a clever plan. Sony could promote this as The Game to play. Sony is developing Planetside 2, a direct competitor to DUST514.
Saying planetside 2 is competeing with dust is like saying eve is competing with perpetuum, they are technically similar but sony have the experience to make theirs work.
Planetside 2 will dwarf dust, people who want a persistant shooter want to shape their world not play a series of instanced and disjointed fights as someone elses ***** |
Ascendant Sean
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:32:00 -
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boseo wrote:As I don't own any of the current generation consoles, can someone explain to me why everyone keeps saying that PS3's are no good for FPS, just something I would like to get my head around TBH.
My view? Xbox has a trigger on the controller, PS3 has an analogue shoulder tab to pull. Slight difference, but I know which I prefer.
And I believe Halo 4 is forthcoming which, while an Xbox exclusive, will effectively tie up the sci-fi FPS market not already taken by Planetside 2.
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boseo
Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:32:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: If for example we are able to bomb dustbunnies out of extinction at random and they have no way of fighting back then Dust will fail.
I mean this Eve, a game were people love griefing those who cant fight back so imagine what it would be like for those playing dust would be.
BTW it has been said that if we can shoot them they can shoot back, as that question was asked after This Video (the bit from 1:55)
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Astor Daeoli
Eye of God Moon Warriors
5
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:36:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.
What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?
You make a good point. By the time Dust is out I will need to supplement my mandatory minimum two EVE accounts with an additional purchase of a PS4 to play dust on. Hm...to buy the PS4 or not to buy the PS4. That is the question.
The funny thing is I hate CCP's Planet-vile, and I have no interest in running any planets; however I do like a bit of FPS. Unfortunately for me, my FPSing is done on my existing Xbox, doh
I wonder if the type of EVE player that likes to spend hours a day on Planet-vile would like to spend hours defending their farms on a PS4 FPS? |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.10.16 13:57:00 -
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Mal Mandrake wrote:Each and every Dust purchase becomes a GIANT advertisement for Eve online.
At least a portion of Dust players will become curious about this mysterious Eve game for the computer. Some players may find that they want to try giving the orders instead of taking them. This will cause an influx of new players to Eve. Conversely there will be an influx of Eve players going to Dust. Muahahaha on CCP's part. Genius!
This would have some logic to it, except for the following reasons:
1) Dust will be free-to-play and therefore has no revenue for CCP 2) It's only on 1 platform, alienating the rest of the potential gamers 3) Why would a PS3 owner suddenly decide to purchase a PC or MAC to play one game? That's a lot of investment, dontcha think? 4) How long until one of 5,000 + member alliances decide to infiltrate some PS3 owners forums and find out when and where they will be 'playing' Dust - and nuke them from orbit? Two weeks? Heck, someone could even pay mercenaries in EVE to do it. Would be kind of ironic that PS3 players would be kicked in the teeth by the right-click of a mouse... 5) CCP marketing department 6) Lack of funds.
I wish CCP all the best, but it's going to be tough. "Combat in New Eden is either a blob or a work of art...let me paint you a picture" |
Tenchi Sal
DeathStar Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.16 14:34:00 -
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dust has a lot of potential. there is a lot of people on the ps3 networks to pull from.
truth be told, what will really hurt DUST is actually EVE players. more specially, eve SOV holders. if fighting in the 0.0 is "end game" in DUST, it will be a huge failure because around 75% of eve is controlled by blues. they plan on making it 90% by the time they are done. DUST players aren't going to want to grind up the fights on empire planets when there's no real end game. |
Hiram Alexander
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.16 15:10:00 -
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Mal Mandrake wrote:I believe CCP has an excellent plan for the future of Eve in conjunction with Dust 514.
Dust 514 will be a first-person shooter for the PS3. It is essentially a game about mercenaries. We as Eve players will be able to create contracts with Dust players to either a.) attack planet installations, or b.) defend planet installation (There may be other uses, but this is as far as I have gone so far.)
What installations are we talking about? Well PI of course. I wish this had been a troll, but I actually think you might be serious. I have been reasonably impressed by CCP's apparent return to 'the real world' recently, but the cynic in me says that you are going to be horribly disappointed by CCP very, very soon -- your expectations are totally sky-high, and that's the problem (as I see it).
"CCP has an excellent plan for the future of Eve in conjunction with Dust 514. " -- Again, perhaps I'm just being cynical, but what happened exactly, to the excellent plan for PI, the excellent plan for sovereignty, and almost everything else that was recently planned?
Y'know, there's so much in your post to be cynical about, I'm just going to stop, and address these last two points...
Mal Mandrake wrote:...Whenever we set up a new planet with PI we are essentially creating another "level" for Dust players to play on.
Think about how many planets with PI are spread throughout the galaxy right now? Through our efforts we will have created an endless amount of levels for Dust players to fight on. For the love of God, please stop. Think about console games for one minute. Think about how much work and collaborative effort goes into designing, testing, and balancing each and every 'zone' or level - not to mention, testing them for 'fun'. Not one PI producer in this game will ever "create a level", as you've phrased it.
"Through our efforts we will have created an endless amount of levels for Dust players to fight on." -- No we haven't.
That job will be left to level designers, coders, and artists, and if I were to judge how long that'd take, by the length of time it's taken to make 4 CQ's, well...
Let's put it this way -- why have the Dust previews, so far, all revolved around a single section of a single map?
Mal Mandrake wrote:I am guessing that corporations between Dust and Eve will be linked (as in the same corp) which would mean you can fatten your Eve wallet by doing some assault missions in Dust. (This is an excellent opportunity to use your children as ISK farmers) I don't think any Dust-bunnies are going to be 'fattening' Eve wallets - ever... Please look at the game model again, and realise how much Isk they'll need to stay competitive, re: vehicles, etc.
As for training Isk farmers, where exactly are we supposed to find kids that stupid? If I asked my daughter to play a game for weeks, then give me all 'her stuff', she'd slap me good-lookin'...
I really hope that Dust becomes the "KILLER APP" that someone above me mentioned -- because, if it isn't, it's absolutely ******. I know some PS3 owners - they know about Dust 514 - but Planetside 2 is all they go on about...
Once CCP genuinely, and honestly, sits down to address the root causes of why:
Sovereignty, isn't a "KILLER APP", why... Faction Warfare, isn't a "KILLER APP", and why... PI, as it stands, isn't a "KILLER APP", then... and only then (in my opinion) will Dust 514 stand a chance of being good enough. |
Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:58:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:i find myself most curious about the environments. so far all that i've seen has been a temperate, or perhaps the barren. what does an oceanic pi installation look like? or plasma? or gaseous? do the environments have effects much like a wormhole system is affected by a pulsar? for instance, would a plasma planet have a positive effect on energy weapons?
/inquiring minds are inquiring.
I'm envisioning a plant like the Storm planet the Clones were made on in Star Wars. |
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Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:06:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:This can in fact be a double edged sword where you actually need balance. You can't have either game affecting the other to much, but enough to make it interesting.
Imagine if right now someone from another game could take control of your POS with a raiding party and the only way you can really do anything about it is play that game as well, or get someone else in it to fight for you, does that sound inviting?
The concept of the EVE/Dust514 interaction sounds good in theory, but the implementation needs to be done correctly. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. Yep. My guess is there will be two control elements, the TCU and some TCU link/power/supply/anchor blah blah on a planet, you have to have both to take a system. If it is just one, then Eve or Dust won't matter, but if you have to have both, then both matter. Hopefully it is not just as simple as that, maybe each habitable planet has to have some switch flipped as well, plus the TCU things, so there is a multi-phased buld up. While feets are going after the SBUs, grunts aer going after the habitable planets, then both team up on some sort of linked TCU assault. If dustbunnies can be bombed, and perhaps only from the warp in location on a planet, and that they can only take a planet while an SBU is being attacked, then maybe fleets will need to split up some too.
My money is on that Dust will be just about PI, and nothing to do with space battles of any sort. Also nothing to do with sov, or taking ownership of systems. |
Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:19:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote: 1) Dust will be free-to-play and therefore has no revenue for CCP 2) It's only on 1 platform, alienating the rest of the potential gamers 3) Why would a PS3 owner suddenly decide to purchase a PC or MAC to play one game? That's a lot of investment, dontcha think? 4) How long until one of 5,000 + member alliances decide to infiltrate some PS3 owners forums and find out when and where they will be 'playing' Dust - and nuke them from orbit? Two weeks? Heck, someone could even pay mercenaries in EVE to do it. Would be kind of ironic that PS3 players would be kicked in the teeth by the right-click of a mouse... 5) CCP marketing department 6) Lack of funds.
1.) If by free to play you mean it costs 60 dollars to buy... then yes. (Console game revenue is derived from sales and map packs alone)
2.)True, but that is the way of exclusives.
3.)Umm... You think console owners don't own a PC as well? Are you serious? All those xbox and ps3 forums must be fictitious.
4.)There will be balance and control to this. Ever used a nuke in SC? or an orbital strike in Command and Conquer? or a killstreak in CoD? Also I imagine you won't be able to orbital bombard in highsec. (Which raises an interesting point on Dust in highsec in general.)
5.)Eve trailers are amongst the highest quality out there.
6.)I don't have access to any budgeting documents sent by CCP, if you have access please share.
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Koujjo Dian
The EVE Gateway
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Posted - 2011.10.16 22:44:00 -
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Haven't read the whole thread but my 2 cents: I only started playing EvE to give me a better understanding of the mechanics of DUST 514 when it's released. Since then I've begun to really like EvE and have no plans on canceling my acct when I start playing DUST. I'd bet there's quite a few out there like me. |
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:10:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:meehehehsadefgdcsm
I read this as mehehe sad epic fail guy'd csm
Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
Twylla
Sardaukar Terror Troops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:31:00 -
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You realize it's going to be three years before they suddenly remembered they were going to do some kind of hookup-fangled thing between EVE-online and DUST 514, but it'll be put off another two years before they half-implement every other 'best idea of the century' they've cooked up to keep the sheep occupied.. i mean, player base.
Possibilities:
1. CCP is set and ready to receive everything DUST 514 has to offer on time. Odds: HA-HA-HA yeah right.
2. CCP's DUST 514 Team is sharper than the EVE Online team, and will sit around with their thumbs up their collective arses with DUST 514 ready to rock'n'roll while they try to explain to Hilmar why the Iclandic team is doing a good job. Odds: More likely than 1.
3. CCP's DUST 514 Team is as competant or less competant than the Incarna developers, and we're looking forward to not only zero effective linkup between EVE Online and DUST 514, but a painfully short, thin skinned single player experience that will be retired faster than the Duke Nukem Forever hype. Odds: Still more likely than 1, but I HOPE less likely than 2. |
Lex Alandar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:58:00 -
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I think CCP is also counting on us, the eve playerbase, to recruit DUST gamers for them.
I have plenty of gamer friends, but only a small handful have ever been remotely interested in EVE. I imagine at least some of them will be playing dust when it comes out. Most of them have been very interested when I told them about it.
The competition concerns are still there, but games that stand on their own can do ok, even in our over-saturated dumbed-down shooter market.
Let's just hope CCP makes it a damn good game. The rest should take care of itself. |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:29:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.
What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?
Hey Nostrodamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.
Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something, just as EVE Online is a different game from World of Warcraft. EVE and WoW may both be MMOs but EVE appeals to a different type of player. I do love the Battlefield titles, I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:34:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:... its core target audience are those who want play have more meaning and value in the experience...
Exactly. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:35:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:How dare someone say something positive about CCP or Dust514 on these forums.
Don't you know that these forums are only for baseless accusations, wild speculation, childish tantrums and endless anti-everything-CCP-does-that-isn't-FiS drivel.
Naughty, naughty OP
Ten points to Gryffindor. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:37:00 -
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non judgement wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:We all know CCP is too slow to deliver feasible content in a short amount of time, what's wrong with your head if you think CCP is committed to a constant explosion of new content simultaneously to EVE and DUST and keep both boats afloat? They can't. Isn't CCP Shanghai doing the Dust side of things? Why can't they keep working on Dust?
That's right. CCP Shanghai is largely focused on DUST 514, but we also have people dedicated to EVE in China here too. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:44:00 -
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boseo wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: If for example we are able to bomb dustbunnies out of extinction at random and they have no way of fighting back then Dust will fail.
I mean this Eve, a game were people love griefing those who cant fight back so imagine what it would be like for those playing dust would be.
BTW it has been said that if we can shoot them they can shoot back, as that question was asked after This Video (the bit from 1:55)
I haven't checked the video link, but what you said is correct. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:51:00 -
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CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:00:00 -
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Mal Mandrake wrote:CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?
I can't say much about the PI stuff you mentioned - more of the specifics of game mechanics will be revealed closer to DUST 514's launch.
I already see those with an interest in DUST 514 also asking a lot of questions about EVE. Whether or not that means there'd be an influx of DUST players into EVE isn't something I can predict, though of course I'd like to see this happen. Corps will exist in both EVE and DUST, as you mentioned they're actually the same corps, and can have both capsuleers and mercs. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:17:00 -
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CCP Shadow wrote:Mal Mandrake wrote:CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?
I can't say much about the PI stuff you mentioned - more of the specifics of game mechanics will be revealed closer to DUST 514's launch. I already see those with an interest in DUST 514 also asking a lot of questions about EVE. Whether or not that means there'd be an influx of DUST players into EVE isn't something I can predict, though of course I'd like to see this happen. Corps will exist in both EVE and DUST, as you mentioned they're actually the same corps, and can have both capsuleers and mercs.
I bet there is... mmmm... fresh meat for the grinder...
Anyone who has played Halo enough though has encountered those with the auto-unlimited-round sniper rifles on guys that are 20x faster than you... I wonder how long it will be before I find myself up against an ibis w/ 8 citadel torp launchers w/ perfect tracking and a .1 second rate of fire....
*sigh* ...could be petition city. ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Tainted Karma
Immortalis Mortis Angelus Mayhem.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:23:00 -
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PI = Farmville for EvE |
Joseph Dreadloch
Dread Space Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:26:00 -
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CCP Shadow wrote:
Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer
6 - 11 - 20 - 37 - 70
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:36:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:CCP Shadow wrote:
Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer
6 - 11 - 20 - 37 - 70
I'll split the winnings with you. Though I have some necessary expenses to handle first. CCP Shadow DUST 514 Community Manager |
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:28:00 -
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CCP Shadow wrote: we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us. Just like you understood there would be challenges with MT? How'd that go for you btw? |
Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:07:00 -
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Hi there, this is Akelorian
I understand that you think dust 514 will save eve online, but I have some information for you. As soon as someone deems a weapon overpowered there will be a collection of retards that will spam every forum they can think of about how its too powerful, because they RMT'd the income from their isk printers instead of using the isk to properly arm their troops.
There will be many changes and nerfing of DUST because people will call shenanigans and claim that a sniper rifle is the iwin button of the game, in which case ccp will nerf it so that its the ps3 version of farmville.
"Raise your sheep to sacrifice it to ccp to remain in control of this planet!"
That is how DUST 514 will end up with the current changes being implemented by CCP Devs, don't say it wont happen, it will, it has happened in eve, dust will not be any different.
Best regards,
Akelorian |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:09:00 -
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DUST 514, further making wspace PI extremely profitable. |
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