Dust 514 will be a first-person shooter for the PS3.

DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?

Naysayer!

The FPS world is currently saturated with current warfare games, (Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc) There is really only a few sci-fi multiplayer FPS's out there. Halo springs to mind, but their last game for that is a few years old now.

As an FPS player myself, I look forward to having an near endless amount of maps/missions to take on.

What you say may end up being true, but I believe the current FPS landscape will eat a game like Dust up.

Naysayer!

The FPS world is currently saturated with current warfare games, (Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc) There is really only a few sci-fi multiplayer FPS's out there. Halo springs to mind, but their last game for that is a few years old now.

As an FPS player myself, I look forward to having an near endless amount of maps/missions to take on.

What you say may end up being true, but I believe the current FPS landscape will eat a game like Dust up.

Well the tie in deal with Sony could prove to be a clever plan. Sony could promote this as The Game to play.
While I agree that the FPS are normally drop in, drop out, the very fact that this is persistent could attract considerable interest.
I would love the option of flying a Battleship (fitted for orbital bombardment) to a planet to "help" out. That could raise considerable interest in lo-sec.
..and how about t2 Planetary interaction. Colonies, expensive installations that yield considerable passive tax isk, but are subject to hostile takeovers by Dust players; again would tie the games together well.
Personally I am very optimistic at the possibilities here; but we shall have to wait and see if CCP delivers :)

Well the tie in deal with Sony could prove to be a clever plan. Sony could promote this as The Game to play.

Wow. why I'm replying... cause bad threads like this should stop.


This doesn't save EVE, this is just another bad post. DUST no way saves EVE, the question you're asking yourself is if DUST is ready for EVE.


DUST to survive longer than 6-12 months via console? lols

We all know CCP is too slow to deliver feasible content in a short amount of time, what's wrong with your head if you think CCP is committed to a constant explosion of new content simultaneously to EVE and DUST and keep both boats afloat? They can't. And console players' have a way shorter attention span compared to PC EVE community.


You are literally looking at a disaster. And you seem to be sitting on a horizontal stick on your chair.

Sony is developing Planetside 2, a direct competitor to DUST514.

We all know CCP is too slow to deliver feasible content in a short amount of time, what's wrong with your head if you think CCP is committed to a constant explosion of new content simultaneously to EVE and DUST and keep both boats afloat? They can't.

Isn't CCP Shanghai doing the Dust side of things?
Why can't they keep working on Dust?

DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?

I am sure in the first few weeks / months of release it will attract a lot of players but if it will struggle to hold on to them if the CCP continue with there half arsed , half finished, bug riddled content that they have been supplying Eve for years now.

This is important, it has to work very well and not be as quirky as Eve can be. And what Dustbunnies do has to have meaning in the game world. Despite all the alliance bitching that will come, Dust has to have significant impact on the Eve landscape or the whole selling point, that makes Dust different, won't survive word of mouth.

This is important, it has to work very well and not be as quirky as Eve can be. And what Dustbunnies do has to have meaning in the game world. Despite all the alliance bitching that will come, Dust has to have significant impact on the Eve landscape or the whole selling point, that makes Dust different, won't survive word of mouth.

sure if it was for PC or xbox and not shtty ass ps3.

As I don't own any of the current generation consoles, can someone explain to me why everyone keeps saying that PS3's are no good for FPS, just something I would like to get my head around TBH.

This can in fact be a double edged sword where you actually need balance. You can't have either game affecting the other to much, but enough to make it interesting.

Imagine if right now someone from another game could take control of your POS with a raiding party and the only way you can really do anything about it is play that game as well, or get someone else in it to fight for you, does that sound inviting?

The concept of the EVE/Dust514 interaction sounds good in theory, but the implementation needs to be done correctly. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Sony is developing Planetside 2, a direct competitor to DUST514.

As I don't own any of the current generation consoles, can someone explain to me why everyone keeps saying that PS3's are no good for FPS, just something I would like to get my head around TBH.

If for example we are able to bomb dustbunnies out of extinction at random and they have no way of fighting back then Dust will fail.

I mean this Eve, a game were people love griefing those who cant fight back so imagine what it would be like for those playing dust would be.

DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?

Each and every Dust purchase becomes a GIANT advertisement for Eve online.

At least a portion of Dust players will become curious about this mysterious Eve game for the computer. Some players may find that they want to try giving the orders instead of taking them. This will cause an influx of new players to Eve. Conversely there will be an influx of Eve players going to Dust. Muahahaha on CCP's part. Genius!

I believe CCP has an excellent plan for the future of Eve in conjunction with Dust 514.

Dust 514 will be a first-person shooter for the PS3. It is essentially a game about mercenaries. We as Eve players will be able to create contracts with Dust players to either a.) attack planet installations, or b.) defend planet installation (There may be other uses, but this is as far as I have gone so far.)

What installations are we talking about? Well PI of course.

...Whenever we set up a new planet with PI we are essentially creating another "level" for Dust players to play on.

Think about how many planets with PI are spread throughout the galaxy right now? Through our efforts we will have created an endless amount of levels for Dust players to fight on.

I am guessing that corporations between Dust and Eve will be linked (as in the same corp) which would mean you can fatten your Eve wallet by doing some assault missions in Dust. (This is an excellent opportunity to use your children as ISK farmers)

i find myself most curious about the environments. so far all that i've seen has been a temperate, or perhaps the barren. what does an oceanic pi installation look like? or plasma? or gaseous? do the environments have effects much like a wormhole system is affected by a pulsar? for instance, would a plasma planet have a positive effect on energy weapons?

/inquiring minds are inquiring.

Yep. My guess is there will be two control elements, the TCU and some TCU link/power/supply/anchor blah blah on a planet, you have to have both to take a system. If it is just one, then Eve or Dust won't matter, but if you have to have both, then both matter.

Hopefully it is not just as simple as that, maybe each habitable planet has to have some switch flipped as well, plus the TCU things, so there is a multi-phased buld up. While feets are going after the SBUs, grunts aer going after the habitable planets, then both team up on some sort of linked TCU assault.

If dustbunnies can be bombed, and perhaps only from the warp in location on a planet, and that they can only take a planet while an SBU is being attacked, then maybe fleets will need to split up some too.

1) Dust will be free-to-play and therefore has no revenue for CCP
2) It's only on 1 platform, alienating the rest of the potential gamers
3) Why would a PS3 owner suddenly decide to purchase a PC or MAC to play one game? That's a lot of investment, dontcha think?
4) How long until one of 5,000 + member alliances decide to infiltrate some PS3 owners forums and find out when and where they will be 'playing' Dust - and nuke them from orbit? Two weeks? Heck, someone could even pay mercenaries in EVE to do it. Would be kind of ironic that PS3 players would be kicked in the teeth by the right-click of a mouse...
5) CCP marketing department
6) Lack of funds.

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DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?

... its core target audience are those who want play have more meaning and value in the experience...

How dare someone say something positive about CCP or Dust514 on these forums.

Don't you know that these forums are only for baseless accusations, wild speculation, childish tantrums and endless anti-everything-CCP-does-that-isn't-FiS drivel.

Naughty, naughty OP

Isn't CCP Shanghai doing the Dust side of things?
Why can't they keep working on Dust?

BTW it has been said that if we can shoot them they can shoot back, as that question was asked after This Video (the bit from 1:55)

CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?

I can't say much about the PI stuff you mentioned - more of the specifics of game mechanics will be revealed closer to DUST 514's launch.

I already see those with an interest in DUST 514 also asking a lot of questions about EVE. Whether or not that means there'd be an influx of DUST players into EVE isn't something I can predict, though of course I'd like to see this happen. Corps will exist in both EVE and DUST, as you mentioned they're actually the same corps, and can have both capsuleers and mercs.

Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer

6 - 11 - 20 - 37 - 70

we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us.

Hi there, this is Akelorian



Best regards,

Akelorian

1.) If by free to play you mean it costs 60 dollars to buy... then yes. (Console game revenue is derived from sales and map packs alone)

2.)True, but that is the way of exclusives.

3.)Umm... You think console owners don't own a PC as well? Are you serious? All those xbox and ps3 forums must be fictitious.

4.)There will be balance and control to this. Ever used a nuke in SC? or an orbital strike in Command and Conquer? or a killstreak in CoD? Also I imagine you won't be able to orbital bombard in highsec. (Which raises an interesting point on Dust in highsec in general.)

5.)Eve trailers are amongst the highest quality out there.

6.)I don't have access to any budgeting documents sent by CCP, if you have access please share.

Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

CCP said there was going to be an additional fee, some sort of fee to get you ''credits'' (perhaps?: for ISK/AUR?) to start out MP and build or lose on, buying things in order to play DUST.

so you buy the game, plus pay some sort of member fee to get credits in your wallet. I'm openly asking, Is this fanbase for DUST eager to pay extra fees right when they start the game when they play PSN MP for free.? hmmm most likely not going to maintain a easy optin playerbase.




CCP also said the fee is still remaining, but they also said if it doesn't go well they might remove this fee. (This statement goes way all before the Jita protests and ccp's internal priority change). Someone, if feeling optimistic, can go source the video/devblog and post it (cause I'm too lazy, and tired), However I hope you all remember this was firmly stated by CCP.



Hi CCP Shadow, can you confirm what I all said above please? if people think I'm a lier, or I'm really just out of my mind.



CCP Shadow, or any dev I welcome:


? who are these guys, I haven't personally noticed a mass of DUST communities anywhere and there isn't an official community site -- could you guys put up a board soon?

http://www.dust514.org/

Enjoy.

Also, if any of you have heard of MAG for PS3, there are a lot of players from there thinking of coming over to DUST 514 when it's released. Just FYI.

I believe CCP has an excellent plan for the future of Eve in conjunction with Dust 514.

Dust 514 will be a first-person shooter for the PS3. It is essentially a game about mercenaries. We as Eve players will be able to create contracts with Dust players to either a.) attack planet installations, or b.) defend planet installation (There may be other uses, but this is as far as I have gone so far.)

What installations are we talking about? Well PI of course.

That is right, in the near future you will have to pay to keep your cozy planets secure.

Now here is an interesting point, sort of a big picture look at how this works.

A lot of people have asked why PI is so easy, safe, overpowered. CCP has made it this way to encourage a rapid growth of PI installation across the galaxy. Whenever we set up a new planet with PI we are essentially creating another "level" for Dust players to play on.

Think about how many planets with PI are spread throughout the galaxy right now? Through our efforts we will have created an endless amount of levels for Dust players to fight on.

Now for how this saves Eve.

Each and every Dust purchase becomes a GIANT advertisement for Eve online.

At least a portion of Dust players will become curious about this mysterious Eve game for the computer. Some players may find that they want to try giving the orders instead of taking them. This will cause an influx of new players to Eve. Conversely there will be an influx of Eve players going to Dust. Muahahaha on CCP's part. Genius!

I am guessing that corporations between Dust and Eve will be linked (as in the same corp) which would mean you can fatten your Eve wallet by doing some assault missions in Dust. (This is an excellent opportunity to use your children as ISK farmers)

Dust will also provide an excellent ISK sink in keeping colonies alive. I imagine this will also translate into higher prices for PI materials. (Good for me as a PI industrialist)

-Mal Mandrake

Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something ... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something, just as EVE Online is a different game from World of Warcraft. EVE and WoW may both be MMOs but EVE appeals to a different type of player. I do love the Battlefield titles, I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

Edit: Even with the morning coffee I still spelled Nostradamus wrong. But I did want to add that we do understand your viewpoint on CCP entering a very competitive market and we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us. I do appreciate your candor. I read everything people are saying about DUST 514, the good and the bad. Just keep it coming, it is helpful. Thanks.

-- Shadow

One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

You don't have to be nostradamus to predict some fails -- warhammer, age of conan, etc all failed because they tried to remake wow. They got a few sales, then people realized they would rather just play the established franchise. Every developer believes their game is unique and special. From a gamer's perspective, most aren't -- especially yet another FPS space marine game. The "hook" of linking the games together may win a few sales...but why will they stick around once BF5 and CoD13 launch?

I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

-- Shadow

Haven't read the whole thread but my 2 cents: I only started playing EvE to give me a better understanding of the mechanics of DUST 514 when it's released. Since then I've begun to really like EvE and have no plans on canceling my acct when I start playing DUST. I'd bet there's quite a few out there like me.

DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?

You don't have to be nostradamus to predict some fails -- warhammer, age of conan, etc all failed because they tried to remake wow. They got a few sales, then people realized they would rather just play the established franchise. Every developer believes their game is unique and special. From a gamer's perspective, most aren't -- especially yet another FPS space marine game. The "hook" of linking the games together may win a few sales...but why will they stick around once BF5 and CoD13 launch?

i actually think dust 514 might actually do well to be honest............ but as for World Of Darkness... no i can't seeing that doing so good

there is already 2 free to play vampire mmorpg games out there that use the micro transaction model ccp hopes to use for WoD.

Reign of Blood

&

Immortal night

tbh neither game seems to be doing well which pretty much says vampire games are tired n old

When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.

CCP Shadow, or any dev I welcome:


? who are these guys, I haven't personally noticed a mass of DUST communities anywhere and there isn't an official community site -- could you guys put up a board soon?

Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something, just as EVE Online is a different game from World of Warcraft. EVE and WoW may both be MMOs but EVE appeals to a different type of player. I do love the Battlefield titles, I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

Edit: Even with the morning coffee I still spelled Nostradamus wrong. But I did want to add that we do understand your viewpoint on CCP entering a very competitive market and we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us. I do appreciate your candor. I read everything people are saying about DUST 514, the good and the bad. Just keep it coming, it is helpful. Thanks.

-- Shadow

When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.

When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.

I think it is safe to assume that outside the large alliances/gaming communities the relation between EVE and DUST players will not be characterized by mutual respect.

Strongly suspect DUST's PS3-exclusivity was an agreement made with Sony that somehow made it easier or more cost-effective for CCP to develop it. If at some point the exclusivity arrangement ends, I would certainly purchase it for the PC platform. If not, however, all i can do is shake my head and wonder.

Wow. why I'm replying... cause bad threads like this should stop.

sure if it was for PC or xbox and not shtty ass ps3.

u don't know that, BF2MC had a good fanbase on the original xbox for years... the only issue atm is PS3 is a bad market for shooters it already has lots of exclusives + shooters dont sell well on PS3.

anyways, if dust is a good shooter it will be a great success, we don't know how it will end up until a demo or the full game comes out.

Just a thought...

Will Dust have downtime? Will the downtime be the same as the rest of New Eden?

Hate the thought of PS3 players getting a free hall pass and dodging any orbital strikes...and other exploits of gameplay

AK

You guys are some of the most cynical and wretched MMO goers on the internet.

You guys are some of the most cynical and wretched MMO goers on the internet.