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Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:05:00 - [1] Is there still to be an attempt to bring EVE to the Korean and Chinese player bases? I think it could only help the game... Why? Because with 2 years of expierence past that of what the Asian markets would be joining in on we would at least stand a chance of keeping them in check and not walking all over the game... power would be shaken up, new alliances and strange new wars... and perhaps us western gamers will finally get revenge for Starcraft.
Jester87	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Xavier Cardde and perhaps us western gamers will finally get revenge for Starcraft. Yes... We need revenge.. 'Power Overwhelming' and 'Black Sheep Wall' to the western world! Perhaps we can even try a Mass Carrier pwnage or a zergling rush.. wtf am i talking about
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:12:00 - [3] Originally by: Jester87 Originally by: Xavier Cardde and perhaps us western gamers will finally get revenge for Starcraft. Yes... We need revenge.. 'Power Overwhelming' and 'Black Sheep Wall' to the western world! Perhaps we can even try a Mass Carrier pwnage or a zergling rush.. wtf am i talking about Id have to admit i would go out of my way to find asian powergamers in 0.0, pod them and drop the corpses in the sun of Yulai... the whole time laughing with distrubing glee.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:24:00 - [4] personally I think that when the azn market opens up you can expect the price of minerals to depritiate exponentially. oh yeah and KEKEKE ZERGRUSH ^___^
Robstr	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Robstr on 03/09/2005 21:43:43 Originally by: Gamer4liff personally I think that when the azn market opens up you can expect the price of minerals to depritiate exponentially. oh yeah and KEKEKE ZERGRUSH ^___^ People that have alot of money now will be well off
skilz	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:46:00 - [6] KEKEKEKEK RIFTER RUSH~~~ --
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Robstr Edited by: Robstr on 03/09/2005 21:43:43 Originally by: Gamer4liff personally I think that when the azn market opens up you can expect the price of minerals to depritiate exponentially. oh yeah and KEKEKE ZERGRUSH ^___^ People that have alot of money now will be well off Yeah and the people that empire mine and need the isk to buy their next big ticket item are going to have a lot harder time, (atleast in theory). lets just hope that things stay moderatly how they are now. Hopefully the economy will stay normal.
Layrex	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Layrex on 03/09/2005 21:58:18 Quote: Yeah but we don't want those players judging by games like Lineage 2 and FF11. Who wants weirdo's that don't talk and only scream "KEKEKEKEKE!!!!!!" all the time. From another topic. Tbh Asian gamers are mostly very strange and wouldn't be a good thing for eve. Can you imagine the farmers.. ------------------------------
Cagali	Posted - 2005.09.03 22:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Layrex Edited by: Layrex on 03/09/2005 21:58:18 Quote: Yeah but we don't want those players judging by games like Lineage 2 and FF11. Who wants weirdo's that don't talk and only scream "KEKEKEKEKE!!!!!!" all the time. From another topic. Tbh Asian gamers are mostly very strange and wouldn't be a good thing for eve. Can you imagine the farmers.. how come when everything thinks of asian..... they are farmers, ffs I've been playing eve for almost a year and I'm chinese, and every single game I play I'll hear, omg he's chinese he gotta be a farmer, listen... get your arse to ebay and go check on the eve auction... asian dun hold the market.... apprantly there are more european seller then asians. And also, if you guys read ccp's log, they DID a promotion in china recently in a game show. They are working on it
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.03 22:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 03/09/2005 22:35:58 Originally by: Cagali how come when everything thinks of asian..... they are farmers, ffs I've been playing eve for almost a year and I'm chinese Because large scale advertisement attracts both chinese gamers and the (For some real mostly asia based) sweatshop owners or whatever theyre called. I'm sure theres more European and American sellers on ebay then there are Asian, Im sure theres asian auction website too though ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ghoest	Posted - 2005.09.03 23:50:00 - [11] They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.03 23:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Ghoest They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players. You think that the players here don't take EVE seriously? I'm guessing you'ver never looked at the corp/alliance forum? -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.09.03 23:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Ghoest They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players. You can't be serious. Come back and read the forums on Tuesday. You will see all the losers, crying about them not being able to log on.
Khatred	Posted - 2005.09.03 23:58:00 - [14] If you need to take revenged for Starcraft than in all honestly, you sucked at Starcraft . Take it from someone who was in Korea to play Starcraft.
Layrex	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:00:00 - [15] I'm sure you're fine Cagali and many others. But just looking at mostly Asian games like Lineage and Rose, you can see just how many Asian gamers are totally different to Western gamers. They just wouldn't suit Eve. ------------------------------
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/09/2005 00:02:51 There is nothing wrong with asian gamers. Stop thinking that we are "better" or even "different" from them just because they have funky characters and we don't. We have a serious lack of Chinese and Japanese here. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Total Nightmare	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:09:00 - [17] Trust me, I have been theiving from some very intense chinesse macro'ers near Rens for ages, I welcome more so called "farmers", no-matter where they are from, I am making a pile from farming them.. Mind u, 20 accounts all running similar names is a bit excessive and obvious... but hey, the world turns, I get more free ore.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Total Nightmare Trust me, I have been theiving from some very intense chinesse macro'ers near Rens for ages, I welcome more so called "farmers", no-matter where they are from, I am making a pile from farming them.. Mind u, 20 accounts all running similar names is a bit excessive and obvious... but hey, the world turns, I get more free ore. That isn't macroing, its farming. Most "macro miners" aren't. But IMO farming should be against the EULA too -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Total Nightmare	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Total Nightmare Trust me, I have been theiving from some very intense chinesse macro'ers near Rens for ages, I welcome more so called "farmers", no-matter where they are from, I am making a pile from farming them.. Mind u, 20 accounts all running similar names is a bit excessive and obvious... but hey, the world turns, I get more free ore. That isn't macroing, its farming. Most "macro miners" aren't. But IMO farming should be against the EULA too Fair point, although is quite funny to see every one of them log off instantly at the same time once I have stolen 50mill of ore off them... Anyway, back on topic.. I welcome all players of all races and creeds ... it doesnt matter at the end of the day... But 1 thing to remember that alot of so called "intense" "leveling" players will not come to eve as it is not really like that kind of game as WoW etc.
Oriana Fallaci	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:32:00 - [20] Quote: asian dun hold the market.... apprantly there are more european seller then asians. They dont hold the market now. But just take a look at market share vs player base, and you will already see a gross misrepresentation here. But whats more important to me is the language barrier. Please do not introduce localized Asian versions for the same EvE universe. Right now I can contact 90% of all players and get a sensible English response. It certainly ruined gameplay for me when back in lineage2 beta so many Chinese people could not understand what I was saying.
Khargos	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ghoest They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players. You think that the players here don't take EVE seriously? I'm guessing you'ver never looked at the corp/alliance forum? There are those who play games for fun, And there are those who play games for work. This would introduce a lot of the ladder.
Evil Edna	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:51:00 - [22] asian gamers = more people to shoot
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.04 00:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Khargos Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ghoest They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players. You think that the players here don't take EVE seriously? I'm guessing you'ver never looked at the corp/alliance forum? There are those who play games for fun, And there are those who play games for work. This would introduce a lot of the ladder. Why do people think that all asians are farmers? Farming is unrelated to nationality, and farming is all done as business, not individually. The farmers are here regardless. How about we get the skilled, intellegent players that are in China and Japan, and increase EVE's diversity? -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Tekyong Carlunaire	Posted - 2005.09.04 01:00:00 - [24] Whatever CCP ends up doing, I hope you all... adapt and survive.
Ante	Posted - 2005.09.04 01:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Evil Edna asian gamers = more people to shoot Here here!
Khargos	Posted - 2005.09.04 01:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Khargos Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ghoest They would need their own server because they would ruin the fun for us. I guess its a cultural thing but a good many asians take MMORPs way more serious than westerners. Theres nothing wrong with that - its just not fun for the more casual players. You think that the players here don't take EVE seriously? I'm guessing you'ver never looked at the corp/alliance forum? There are those who play games for fun, And there are those who play games for work. This would introduce a lot of the ladder. Why do people think that all asians are farmers? Farming is unrelated to nationality, and farming is all done as business, not individually. The farmers are here regardless. How about we get the skilled, intellegent players that are in China and Japan, and increase EVE's diversity? Not all asians are farmers, but a lot are. We shal see what happens, hopefully because eve is not as mainstream as WoW we should sidestep most of those problems anyway.
Kuroro Lucifer	Posted - 2005.09.04 01:24:00 - [27] HUKHUK^^ --- The spider will live forever
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.09.04 02:30:00 - [28] Eve is eve because of the player community. If we were to change that we'd probably have on our hands another game like WoW and tbh nobody should ever wish for that. I'd hate to see local chat filled with "reported and report him"s after a guy told someone to shut up ;) _________________________________ God is always on the side with the best artillery.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.09.04 08:23:00 - [29] run em all on the one server heck - farmers are all over - ukraine, south america, some asia but they still represent a small faction - and CCP can take a hard line on it and also make marcos less usable by ingame dynamics. Boosting the advertising of eve in the austrlian - new zealand market is much needed. Asian players will be most welcome in eve - once we past 100,000 players the prospect of having jove involvement and opening up is i think the next move. Another what 1500 systems to play in.
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.09.04 09:11:00 - [30] I'm taking names of all you China bashers. I'm going farming alright, I'm going to farm some ill-informed, stereotyping arse. With love, from China. __
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.09.04 09:16:00 - [31] nothing wrong with players from any country IMO - i think the problems mentioned in this thread should be addressed to the developing world. SOme make a living off things against the EULA and when found out they are batted out of existance
Bulzor	Posted - 2005.09.04 09:50:00 - [32] I am European but having played in an Asian guild in Everquest (mostly Hong Kong players) for along time I can inform you that your lack of knowledge and xenophobic sterotyping just shows your ignorance. These guys know their stuff and will most probably kick your butts all over the galaxy. I would welcome playing alongside talented and respectful players - something that seems to be sadly lacking in this community. As for "Chinese farmers" - do your research, most of these companies are American, exploiting cheap labour markets and creaming in profits for themselves
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:07:00 - [33] lol yes the asian community in general in this type of game becomes very focused and serious and they learn how to play the game - looking forward to the challange more players = better eve
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:15:00 - [34] The major problem will be the language barrier. hundreds of players unable to tap into the rich community will definate create their own paralell game, and ultimately ruin the experience for all. Other than that, I welcome more mining slaves -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Oriana Fallaci	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:30:00 - [35] Edited by: Oriana Fallaci on 04/09/2005 10:30:29 Quote: lol yes the asian community in general in this type of game becomes very focused and serious and they learn how to play the game - looking forward to the challange more players = better eve Having played some games with players from American and Asian servers, I believe that this should not be our primary concern. If Asian players begin to pour into Eve, they will be at a severe disadvantage due to their lack of SP and experience. They surely will kick ass nonetheless, but it will be balanced to some degree. What is more important to me is that right now, Eve is a big community, based on one common language, English. While we have some excetions, the absolute majority of players can communicate in it and contribute to this feeling. Now, in all the games I played with Asian players, only a small minority really mastered English in a way that allowed for a fluent communication. Instead, they formed an own "parallel society", essentially dividing the game into two parts. Two servers would be the best thing. IMO, 15-20000 players are enough already. It's the right balance between "playing in a huge game" and "being able to become a significant part of it".
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr The major problem will be the language barrier. hundreds of players unable to tap into the rich community will definate create their own paralell game, and ultimately ruin the experience for all. 100% agreed. By the way, the Chinese ruined Lineage 2. That's not a racial slur, it's a FACT. I don't want to see the same thing happen to Eve... the player base is growing fast enough already. "Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated."
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.09.04 11:16:00 - [37] has anybody mentioned the word "grinding" yet? Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Bulzor	Posted - 2005.09.04 11:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Bulzor on 04/09/2005 11:37:17 Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Originally by: Schani Kratnorr The major problem will be the language barrier. hundreds of players unable to tap into the rich community will definate create their own paralell game, and ultimately ruin the experience for all. 100% agreed. By the way, the Chinese ruined Lineage 2. That's not a racial slur, it's a FACT. I don't want to see the same thing happen to Eve... the player base is growing fast enough already. Just more ignorant stereotyping. If there wasn't a market for virtual items and cash there would be no farmers. The buyers of these items and cash are mostly Westerners, the companies behind these operations are mostly Western. Chicken and egg scernario. Since the buyers and operators of these companies are BOTH western then it's just as easy to deduce that Westerners perpetuate the corruption of online economies more so than the Chinese. So using your blatant generalisations - Westerners ruined Lineage II, ironically a game operated by an Asian company - NC Japan.
Kazim	Posted - 2005.09.04 11:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Kerosene I'm taking names of all you China bashers. I'm going farming alright, I'm going to farm some ill-informed, stereotyping arse. With love, from China. Go get them buster!
darth solo	Posted - 2005.09.04 12:00:00 - [40] when will u ppl learn that the whole point of games like EVE is that everyone can be equal, no matter who u are, or where u come from... a 8 year old girl could kill me... bring the Asians on i say.. muchos welcome to my game:). d solo.
Sarduk Larish	Posted - 2005.09.04 12:07:00 - [41] I believe this game is very anti-grinding in many ways. The more serious attitude many asian gamers have will give them an advantage over casual gamers, but the same is true currently with non asian gamers. In all i believe a massive influx of new asian gamers will benifit eve greatly. We NEED those roids in hi-sec empire to be sparse to make lowsec more popular, we NEED mineral prices to drop In all, it will be good.If it doesnt i have faith that CCP will tweak things to conterbalance this. In short, is all good
Udat	Posted - 2005.09.04 12:18:00 - [42] Whatever CCP decide to do regarding the Asian market will undoubtedly be revealed closer to the time. However, until that time comes discussion of racial stereotypes is not allowed on these forums and as such I am going to lock this thread. --- Question about moderation? Email us!
Oriana Fallaci	Posted - 2005.09.04 12:23:00 - [43] Quote: Just more ignorant stereotyping. If there wasn't a market for virtual items and cash there would be no farmers. The buyers of these items and cash are mostly Westerners, the companies behind these operations are mostly Western. Chicken and egg scernario. Since the buyers and operators of these companies are BOTH western then it's just as easy to deduce that Westerners perpetuate the corruption of online economies more so than the Chinese. So using your blatant generalisations - Westerners ruined Lineage II, ironically a game operated by an Asian company - NC Japan Thats too easy. First of all, the demand to buy ingame items is always there - if prices are sufficiently low, and rewards sufficiently high, a really large part of the player base would buy items for real money. Just put a faction BS on ebay for 1$, and itll be gone in no time. I agree that this is a bad thing, but nonetheless this behaviour is deeply rooted in human nature. However, this is not a uniquely Western trait, you have item selling in Asia to exactly the same extent. What is unique to Asia, however, is the abundance of people who are willing to work at a wage that low that hardly anybody in the Western world would consider it. The point is: the demand to buy at low prices is always there; right now it is not met by a supply at these prices. This will change if Eve is opened up to China. And regarding the Lineage II example, Azuriel is absolutely correct in asserting that Asians ruined it. The demand to buy ingame items is always there, there is no way to filter out players who want to buy items at low prices. But there is a way to filter out people who want to supply items at low prices, i.e. not opening the game up to Asians. Quote: when will u ppl learn that the whole point of games like EVE is that everyone can be equal, no matter who u are, or where u come from... lol spill your hippie rethoric elsewhere. While all people have the same "value", they certainly do not have the same behaviour. To deny the existence of cultural differences is not progressive, its moronic

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