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Drutort	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 10:12:30 Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 04:04:44 Problem: People can steal any form of cargo that is within your reach and you cant do a damn thing about it. Because if you fire up on them concord/local cops will kick your ass and your sec would go down. Solution: Grant ownership to cargoÆs 1) your own jettison cargo gets instant ownership, only while you are present or a corp or gang member is. 2)your ownership will be lost of cargo if you leave the area, it will be FFA. 3) ownership can be obtained by staying by the cargo at the 1.5km range for X time. 4) anyone can open these cargoÆs but the person who opens automatically becomes a threat to you and you can open fire up on them, only when they open the cargo, and you (gang, corp) can hunt them down for say 15min, just like the cops will track ppl etc. 5) because there would be ownership, CCP can limit the amount of cargoÆs that are being jettisoned, this value can be done with a skill, and with the type of ship. Say each ship has X amount of cargoÆs that can jettison and can create new one after X time. 6) a skill, and ship type should grant you X amount of ownership you can have over cargoÆs, other cargoÆs will just be FFA. Secure cargoÆs are not the subject here nor are they the solution to the normal cargo problem, they serve a different purpose which will not allow anyone to take out anything and have more strength. It is about time that this game fixes some of the problems, and yes this cargo issue is a balancing issue because at the current time you canÆt defend or retaliate against someone who has opened a cargo that you are near at. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 10:12:30 Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 04:04:44 Problem: People can steal any form of cargo that is within your reach and you cant do a damn thing about it. Because if you fire up on them concord/local cops will kick your ass and your sec would go down. Solution: Grant ownership to cargoÆs 1) your own jettison cargo gets instant ownership, only while you are present or a corp or gang member is. 2)your ownership will be lost of cargo if you leave the area, it will be FFA. 3) ownership can be obtained by staying by the cargo at the 1.5km range for X time. 4) anyone can open these cargoÆs but the person who opens automatically becomes a threat to you and you can open fire up on them, only when they open the cargo, and you (gang, corp) can hunt them down for say 15min, just like the cops will track ppl etc. 5) because there would be ownership, CCP can limit the amount of cargoÆs that are being jettisoned, this value can be done with a skill, and with the type of ship. Say each ship has X amount of cargoÆs that can jettison and can create new one after X time. 6) a skill, and ship type should grant you X amount of ownership you can have over cargoÆs, other cargoÆs will just be FFA. Secure cargoÆs are not the subject here nor are they the solution to the normal cargo problem, they serve a different purpose which will not allow anyone to take out anything and have more strength. It is about time that this game fixes some of the problems, and yes this cargo issue is a balancing issue because at the current time you canÆt defend or retaliate against someone who has opened a cargo that you are near at.
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [3] Or use the secure cargocontainers that are on the market. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Drutort	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [4] oh and I forgot to add that after you leave your cargo should have your ownership still for X time... I do not know what are the best ranges or best waiting time, but Im more then sure that would be the easy part to find out support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [5] There is nothing to fix. Use the secure containers or stop complaining I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Discorporation Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [6] Or use the secure cargocontainers that are on the market.
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [7] There is nothing to fix. Use the secure containers or stop complaining I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:25:00 - [8] oh and I forgot to add that after you leave your cargo should have your ownership still for X time... I do not know what are the best ranges or best waiting time, but Im more then sure that would be the easy part to find out
Drutort	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:27:00 - [9] there is always something to fix :P this also goes for pirate loot... which has the same problem lol and those secure do not fix that problem and this does make sense and it should have been long ago in the game if you are by something you mostly are claming that its yours and it should be long to you, who can say its not yours... only way is who clamed it first is the way it should be support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Scrapyard Jack	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:27:00 - [10] ehehehe! How about you just use a secure container, as the game mechanics intended, and cease demanding immediate solutions to such non-problems?

Scrapyard Jack Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:27:00 - [11] ehehehe! How about you just use a secure container, as the game mechanics intended, and cease demanding immediate solutions to such non-problems?
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:27:00 - [12] there is always something to fix :P this also goes for pirate loot... which has the same problem lol and those secure do not fix that problem and this does make sense and it should have been long ago in the game if you are by something you mostly are claming that its yours and it should be long to you, who can say its not yours... only way is who clamed it first is the way it should be
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:29:00 - [13] We already got that, since whoever gets there first gets the prize. No need for concord interferance [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:29:00 - [14] We already got that, since whoever gets there first gets the prize. No need for concord interferance
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:31:00 - [15] Yes, and no need to resort to insults :) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Drutort	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Drutort on 26/07/2003 21:31:33 lol how is it whoever gets there first?? you mean a player kills a pirate and you have fast ship you deserve to take the loot because you get there fast? maybe you should get your head checked. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Drutort on 26/07/2003 21:31:33 lol how is it whoever gets there first?? you mean a player kills a pirate and you have fast ship you deserve to take the loot because you get there fast? maybe you should get your head checked.
Discorporation Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:31:00 - [18] Yes, and no need to resort to insults :)
Jack Hayden	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:33:00 - [19] As most in this thread say, there is no problem to fix. When you jettison something you forgo you right to it and it becomes FFA. The secure containers tough are a regular joke, their volume is downright stupid compared to that of a jettisoned can, but since you can carry secure containers in your hold, thusly making them act like extra cargoexpansion, I must say I am glad they did not make secure cans with 27,000 m3. Mining is a major chore now, and I am thinking about just do NPC killing for the bounty. á "Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
Jack Hayden Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:33:00 - [20] As most in this thread say, there is no problem to fix. When you jettison something you forgo you right to it and it becomes FFA. The secure containers tough are a regular joke, their volume is downright stupid compared to that of a jettisoned can, but since you can carry secure containers in your hold, thusly making them act like extra cargoexpansion, I must say I am glad they did not make secure cans with 27,000 m3. Mining is a major chore now, and I am thinking about just do NPC killing for the bounty. á "Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."

Drutort	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:34:00 - [21] thats like saying you have something that is out doors and just because it is for the taking doesnt mean it does not belong to someone... and doesnt mean it doesnt count a stealing and doesnt mean that the cops wont come after you... see this game is backwords right now... and though its not a problem to me now, but in the noob days and in secure space it was a problem and i feel for those ppl who have this problem. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:34:00 - [22] Quote: lol how is it whoever gets there first?? you mean you kill the pirate and you have fast ship you deserve to take the loot because you get there fast? maybe you should get your head checked. No, I think you need to re-examine something: Eve is a game that allows Bad Things to happen to Good People. Read that statement very very carefully. Absorb the hidden blatant meaning inherent in it. Pound it into your skull if necessary. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:34:00 - [23] Quote: lol how is it whoever gets there first?? you mean you kill the pirate and you have fast ship you deserve to take the loot because you get there fast? maybe you should get your head checked. No, I think you need to re-examine something: Eve is a game that allows Bad Things to happen to Good People. Read that statement very very carefully. Absorb the hidden blatant meaning inherent in it. Pound it into your skull if necessary. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:34:00 - [24] thats like saying you have something that is out doors and just because it is for the taking doesnt mean it does not belong to someone... and doesnt mean it doesnt count a stealing and doesnt mean that the cops wont come after you... see this game is backwords right now... and though its not a problem to me now, but in the noob days and in secure space it was a problem and i feel for those ppl who have this problem.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:37:00 - [25] Quote: thats like saying you have something that is out doors and just because it is for the taking doesnt mean it does not belong to someone... and doesnt mean it doesnt count a stealing and doesnt mean that the cops wont come after you... They won't. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Scrapyard Jack	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:37:00 - [26] "Mining is a major chore now" Mining's always been a major chore in ol' Jack's opinion. But it's no different now than ever it was. You can still mine using the unlimited cargo space that jettisoned cans offer .. you just don't have a leg to stand on when someone robs you blind and you start whining about it. Container mining is still the most lucrative way to mine .. it just has that added element of risk, ehehehe!
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:37:00 - [27] Quote: thats like saying you have something that is out doors and just because it is for the taking doesnt mean it does not belong to someone... and doesnt mean it doesnt count a stealing and doesnt mean that the cops wont come after you... They won't. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Scrapyard Jack Caldari	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:37:00 - [28] "Mining is a major chore now" Mining's always been a major chore in ol' Jack's opinion. But it's no different now than ever it was. You can still mine using the unlimited cargo space that jettisoned cans offer .. you just don't have a leg to stand on when someone robs you blind and you start whining about it. Container mining is still the most lucrative way to mine .. it just has that added element of risk, ehehehe!
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:39:00 - [29] Dude, use the secures. If you have more than an indy's worth at a time, you are having to leave the belt and are technically abandoning it, like you would a drone, and you would lose posession anyway. There's no reason to take more than an indy's worth at a time. Thats quite a lot anyway, with a decent indy. If you wish to go beyond a sensible limit, there should be risks. As in all things. .
drunkenmaster Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2003.07.26 21:39:00 - [30] Dude, use the secures. If you have more than an indy's worth at a time, you are having to leave the belt and are technically abandoning it, like you would a drone, and you would lose posession anyway. There's no reason to take more than an indy's worth at a time. Thats quite a lot anyway, with a decent indy. If you wish to go beyond a sensible limit, there should be risks. As in all things. .



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