Hey it's the biannual MD pie in the sky wishlist thread for stuff that will never happen.

Let's get this one stickied when you're done so we can save the next set of suckers the hassle.

Hey it's the biannual MD pie in the sky wishlist thread for stuff that will never happen.

Was there a list you sent to CSM7 or CSM6? If so, I didn't see it...

and this year it is going to be corestwo.

Bitter vet syndrome sets in earlier and earlier these days

Priority issues 5 points

Medium Priority 3 points

Low priority 1 point.

All characters to specialize in merchanting on any and all levels, only characters in Merchant corporations will be allowed to spam any kind of sales, want to buy or contracts in public, while the rest will be limited to once every hour.
(edit-forgot 2nd part)
Creation of Industrial corporations, allowing members of these only to use in station services like invention, copying etc.
All others will need to have a running POS with correct fitings in place and running to do the same.

How about being able to assign -5, -3, and -1 priority to bad ideas?

corp management

in-game banking system and specialized corps

I would support, or at the very least have no objections to, compiling a reasonable and thoughtful list of "hey, here's a few things that would make market play much better for everyone if you guys have the time/opportunity".

Hey, at least a few people get it.

I would support, or at the very least have no objections to, compiling a reasonable and thoughtful list of "hey, here's a few things that would make market play much better for everyone if you guys have the time/opportunity".

Instead it will be a bunch of internet spaceships banks and stock markets bs, that represents fundamental changes to the character of the game and a ridiculous effort to impact ratio.

Edit: despite the best intentions of the OP.

Ever tried locking or unlocking 200+ bpos? Not to mention having to re-do it if you run into the possible bugs that have yet to be fixed for years :P

The corp management system and UI is just sad. Non intuitive, over complicated, ambiguous descriptions, etc. It needs to be be dragged out into a back alley and shot.

A complete overhaul of the corp management and voting system is needed and has been needed since 2003. I've been asking and praying for this since 2003, so I won't hold my breath.

Hey, at least a few people get it.

I would support, or at the very least have no objections to, compiling a reasonable and thoughtful list of "hey, here's a few things that would make market play much better for everyone if you guys have the time/opportunity".

Instead it will be a bunch of internet spaceships banks and stock markets bs, that represents fundamental changes to the character of the game and a ridiculous effort to impact ratio.

Edit: despite the best intentions of the OP.

I would like to have divisions in the personal wallet, like corp wallet. +5 Priority.

There could even be a skill called something like Financial Augmentation or Ledger Creation, with each level giving you an additional wallet division.

Edit: I also want regular QENs, or other periodic market analysis/info. Alternatively, CCP could give us access to more market data, and we can do it ourselves :) +3/+5 priority

My biggest objection to any sort of attempt to implement a loan system in-game is that it's either going to be so burdened down with rules and restrictions that no one will really want to use it, or it will have enough holes in it that it will become one heck of a scamming tool (which means no one will really want to use it.)

That applies double if we're talking about NPCs giving out loans, too. At least RawringDragon's idea is simply facilitating player to player loans.

Maybe limiting it to very high volume traded items, to avoid manipulation. Or just adjust the loan size further by volume traded on valuation of value of security.[/b]

I would have to say the ability to trade shares like bookmarks for purposes of a trade window would be useful so as to facilitate a level of trust when dealing.

To be honest, a few of the ideas seem less about MD and more about S&I, but perhaps Caleb means "ideas of interest to people who hang out in MD" rather than "ideas related to MD". I don't suppose it really matters either way, but I'm a bit pedantic and feel a little better getting that off my chest.

Concept: alter "reprocessing" to have many of the aspects of manufacturing (reprocessing is essentially reverse manufacturing).
I hear the objections now. "Wait just a darn minute -- that's an S&I idea you hypocrite!" I agree with you to a point, but I believe it would have some significant MD-related impacts. But first, allow me to more fully flesh out my idea.

Reprocessing would no longer be an instant event. It would be an event much like manufacturing. There would be NPC reprocessing lines instituted. Those lines would have fees (ISK sink). Those lines would have queues. The fees and queues would need to be weighed against selling surplus inventory, thus possibly driving more trade (such as looted modules). Skills would be created to control the number of reprocessing jobs a character can control (skillbook ISK sink). Skills created to affect the time for a reprocessing job (another skillbook ISK sink), e.g. base reprocessing time is 25% of the BPO manufacturing time, skill reduces that by 3 points per level.

Reprocessing POS modules and reprocessing outpost upgrades might be needed. The reprocessing fees would go to the controlling corporation or alliance, similar to manufacturing lines' fees.

MDD

end the stupid dream of players that eve can ever have a working stockmarket.

3 pt: Facilitation for loans and banks in game. Would take some fleshing out, but means of having secure loans, where one party could not simply 'run off with' the goods. Including perhaps functionality for collateral, that wasn't returned till the loan was paid in full?

(more to come)

EVE can have a working stockmarket and CCP don't really need to do anything to allow that to happen (although they could make it easier by providing better infrastructure).

The primary issue that prevents us having a working stockmarket is that the players have not created a great many entities that anyone would want to own shares in. It doesn't matter that the market for trading them is primitive when the item itself barely exists.

I can think of maybe a dozen currently trade-worthy shares in EVE and those are already traded perfectly well with the current infrastructure.

Maybe some better infrastructure would spur more people to build public businesses, but I personally think it's up to community members to put more work in to making this happen.

If you want it, build it. It makes a lot more sense than sitting around waiting for CCP to hand you a packaged product for your nieche gamestyle.

How do you get around the problem of people taking out loans on alts, transferring the ISK or assets to their main and then biomassing, selling or simply abandoning the alt?

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EVE can't have a working stockmarket until people like you can be put in prison.

As mentioned above if loans needed 200%+ assets as collateral this problem is irrelevant.

Player to player collateral loan contracts are supposed to have exactly that type of option, since scamming is promoted in EVE. If you accept a loan contract to someone with low collateral or stupid interests you should get burned..

Working as intended would be the reply!

On these contracts a warning splash would ofc be needed that players could ignore and dismiss at their own peril!

(at Bad Booby)

A consequence mechanic with bounty and killrights would be EVE equivalent to that.

Also a personal oriented Vendetta system might be useful. A bit like wardecs but on a personal level. When a Vendetta is issued the corp level is given the option to "defend" join the miniwar so to speak. So individuals could declare war on corporations and alliances without needing to spread it to own corp or alliance. This would bring new activity into war decs and kick the beehives of corporations and alliances.

EVE can't have a working stockmarket until people like you can be put in prison.

(at Bad Booby)

A consequence mechanic with bounty and killrights would be EVE equivalent to that.

Also a personal oriented Vendetta system might be useful. A bit like wardecs but on a personal level. When a Vendetta is issued the corp level is given the option to "defend" join the miniwar so to speak. So individuals could declare war on corporations and alliances without needing to spread it to own corp or alliance. This would bring new activity into war decs and kick the beehives of corporations and alliances.

Almost all items in EVE are fungible and transportable; if I need 10 billion ISK, and I have 20 billion ISk worth of such assets available (ie: not being used), why would I need a loan? Why not just liquidate 10 billion worth of assets, use the capital for whatever, then buy the items back when I have a need for them.

Conversely, if I lend you 10 billion ISK and you collateralisae them with 20 billion worth of assets, then thanks for the 10 bill instant profit bro. Feel free to put as much bounty as you like on my teller alt that never leaves stattion.

Why not just liquidate 10 billion worth of assets, use the capital for whatever, then buy the items back when I have a need for them.

5 points: CCP should sell more things for PLEX, like laptops.

5 points: CCP should sell more things for PLEX, like laptops.

Ow yes please , and big huge tv's ... i could do with a playstation or xbox too ...

It would be nice to have CCP start giving out statistics about the game like CCP Diagoras used to.

More datamining has been promised for quite some time.. I agree its about time we pushed for it, especially because it has so many added advantages.. General narrative, deeper understanding of market and demographics, and ofc the real life option to use EVE as a scientific simulation in writing about virtual economies.

Same is related to knowing when something entered the game or was changed.. I think a boost to wiki use would help here, just making items link to their wiki entry and let players "login" and edit from ingame client would be really a small thing with huge boost effects.

They really should do this. We're not talking about huge man-hours for development. The most difficult part on their end would be choosing what data to display and how to display it. Maybe if we could give them some very specific suggestions on what type of data we could really use, thus knocking out 1/2 of the difficulty, they'd be more apt to get along?

It would be nice to have CCP start giving out statistics about the game like CCP Diagoras used to.

It would be nice to have CCP start giving out statistics about the game like CCP Diagoras used to.

Please, what is CREST ? I loved those kind of information, was really interesting.

As mentioned above if loans needed 200%+ assets as collateral this problem is irrelevant.