What is it with you and ninja mining? There is a mining frig thing, use it. I get getting into people's space and messing with them, but what the stuff, mining? Then what run it all the way back to high sec?

I don't think that the "Resource Redistribution" mentioned for Odyssey is completely designed to promote exploration. I do have some ideas on what it could involve.

Moon Mining

I think that the real intent for this change are the Tech moons, which I don't believe is an issue but rather a strategic monopoly. For Resource Redistribution of moon mining, I think the worst change (for players) is to add a max quantity available in each moon. Each DT, all moon goo types that were depleted the previous day are redistributed amongst all mine-able moons. This would require corporations to scout out new supplies of moon goo every time they deplete a moon. This could make the most valuable moons worthless overnight, and worthless moons valuable.

3. Most small entities would not want a Tech moon popping up under their POS. They know it will get taken from them by a bigger entity well before the Tech output covers the value of the POS (if they even notice).

I can't believe you are actually excited about sneaking into someones space and mining. It would be like breaking into a house and stealing a bic pen out of their desk doing your taxes with their pen then giving yourself a hug about it.

I can't believe you are actually excited about sneaking into someones space and mining. It would be like breaking into a house and stealing a bic pen out of their desk then giving yourself a hug about it.

Now listen carefully, Grasshopper: swarms come in all sorts of variety. There's your type of swarm of kids without a clue. There's swarms that fight like killer bees; and there's swarms of blowflies that lay eggs and eat their hosts inside out.

Ninja mining is the latter.

Blob meet the ultimate blob eater.

I. This could make the most valuable moons worthless overnight, and worthless moons valuable.

~265,000 mineable moons* in EVE.

Yes, steal from the unlimited font of ore available from Industry sites. That'll show them.

By the way, a more effective way to harass people in Nullsec would be to sneak in and take assets from them that have... well... actual value. Like ratting ships.

Take all you want, the real valuable stuff are in the sites and good luck getting in to those without being instagibbed on warpin.

I'm talking about all out resource warfare.

One little parasite at a time about 10000001x a day.

Nibbling on ore by one swarm. Moon goo swarm on another. Exploration swarm on gas harvests.

There's no Orkin in space and three things that will always survive: roaches, ants and flies.

You can get rats anywhere, but moon goo/ABC ore/choice gas clouds are in null.

You know that as well.

If you can get your sister corps to mine the high-sec ore wholesale, well enterprising indys can launch their own...swarms.

And as you can personally understand, it adds up quick.

I used to argue with the WoW devs about their philosophy of switching comfort zones regularly, but I can truly see it's value in EvE.

This is the problem: you think XYZ is what indys just all want. If you're a ship builder you need mats that doesn't exist in high-sec (or even low-sec). High volume producers just buy the mats, but those who are being more self-sufficient and isk conscious, need small batches for their own supply.

And there's many more of them than high volume producers.

Each DT, all moon goo types that were depleted the previous day are redistributed amongst all mine-able moons

This would be like hiding your level 4 agent amongst all possible station locations and telling you to LOL go find it after each DT

The problem EvE has is an old mindset of mat distribution.

I don't like mats in one area with NPCs spawning around to harass you. It's so scripted. The PvP element is also so scripted.

What's fun is having opportunities to ninja mine, though. Best mining experience I had isn't in some gang, it's sneaking into null and getting the mats and getting them back (oh, yeah I'm getting max refining, ABC ores are too bulky to bring back in some crushed can Venture).

Would rather have an interceptor like mining vessel that can ninja mine and swifty (mining yield at 100% with a 5000m3 hold deal). This can shake up those nullbears armed to the teeth, thinking they're immuned to invaders at their door -- and redistribute the resources among anyone willing to take the risks. And boy is it fun mining like that, and giving those guys the finger in the process.

I can't believe you are actually excited about sneaking into someones space and mining. It would be like breaking into a house and stealing a bic pen out of their desk then giving yourself a hug about it.

You seem to have some wrong assumptions about the value of mining Technetium. A Tech pos makes 7.2 million ISK per hour. A Mack mining Veldspar in empire makes about 10M/hr last I checked.

You seem to have some wrong assumptions about the value of mining Technetium. A Tech pos makes 7.2 million ISK per hour. A Mack mining Veldspar in empire makes about 10M/hr last I checked.

And that MACK cannot make it 24x7 unlike the POS, at most 23.5x7; if it tried CCP would be flagging it as a probable BOT

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Technetium

Malcanis, how independent are you again?

100 units per hour. 24 hours a day. Look up market price for yourself and do the math.

Scroll down and read some...ah...history.

And that MACK cannot make it 24x7 unlike the POS, at most 23.5x7; if it tried CCP would be flagging it as a probable BOT