And what would the impact be on reactions? Keep in mind that currently one moonminer spits out 100 units per hour, and that's exactly the number which is consumed per cycle during reactions.

You still have to set up a POS, manage it and collect your moongoo. it's not quite as passive as R&D agents for instance.

Or remove Technetium from the materials needed all together.

When a product is used to the point of disrupting a game to the ships have to be redesigned due to it (as it disrupted the very material market), that would've been a much easier solution.

There's w-a-y too many comfort zones here, when markets to minerals are never steady.

It's still passive COLLECTION. Just like research points with R+D agents.

Exactly the same.

You're not there like a miner mining it.

And managing a POS isn't like grinding the standings to get a level 4 agent, too. Managing a POS is adding fuel once a week; any blueprints (which can be done at a corp office); maybe defending it if attacked. Moon goo is essentially harvested passively (100 units) per harvester; and automatically stored in its silo; where its fed into whatever reactor or other processing source. Players aren't standing there to do any of that stuff 24/7. At most it's switching blueprints; diverting any of that moon goo to switch the blueprint; and onlining it again (but that's not happening with the Tech, it's set to be a 24/7 passively collected and made product).

When folks say it's a passive income, it is. I wish I could automatically mine and refine.

A possible solution to the scanning logistics is the introduction of a system scan; either through POS module, Sov Upgrade, or onboard scanner, that allows you to scan the whole systems moons in one shot. The result would be a total quantity of each type of goo available in the system, maybe even going as far as to say which planet the resource orbits (i.e. Planet V has a Tech moon)

Would rather have an interceptor like mining vessel that can ninja mine and swifty (mining yield at 100% with a 5000m3 hold deal). This can shake up those nullbears armed to the teeth, thinking they're immuned to invaders at their door -- and redistribute the resources among anyone willing to take the risks. And boy is it fun mining like that, and giving those guys the finger in the process.

FYP.

Kind of like how suicide ganking is like shooting an old lady in the street and robbing her purse then?

You're very selective in reading...

umm, b?

You seem to have some wrong assumptions about the value of mining Technetium. A Tech pos makes 7.2 million ISK per hour. A Mack mining Veldspar in empire makes about 10M/hr last I checked.

You seem to have no understanding of the actual events that that mediocre summary claims to represent.

So you're saying to the world Evelopedia is lying? EvE has it on it's link bar, so would believe it's official even.

So official site and history, and you're claiming it's all lies?

/popcorn

It's written by volunteers

Read

You are forgetting the many hours sat at the machine playing 0.01 games with the bots to make your reaction profit effective.
You are forgetting the many hours of hauling material to your system through many danagerous unknowns
You are forgetting the many hours of waiting for fuel to be created so you can move it to your poses (which can take a long time)
You are forgetting all of the decisions being made as to how to move products
The many conversations you have to create understanding with people so you can move safely through space
Come to think that in a pos there can be as little as 400m+ on show to everyone at all time
Null sec is a completely different agenda since there are intel channels and there is back up and you are a target but not all POS moon mining / reacting is as easy as sticking it on a moon and waiting to get paid.

Whilst the act of moon mining can be seen to be passive the actual maintenance and management that can take hours up to days to complete makes this just as much an active source of income and passive. But so to are all other forms of making isk.

You got the answer right!
POS fuel alone will knock it down to just over 7. Then there are transportation costs, sov bills and whatnot i can't be bothered to try to calculate.

Here's something I am willing to take a stab at though.

So a single mack has to spend just over 17 hours per day mining to match the income. What does it take for the moon to match the effort in man hours?

A 500 man 2-hour CTA will have an opportunity cost of 1,000 man hours. This means that if the moon is threatened at a rate of once every 58 days causing such a CTA, the income and effort will match that of shooting rocks in high sec (plus the effort of running the POS, moving the stuff, selling it etc). Assuming the defense fleet has no losses that is. If it does, you make less and increase the effort by having to rebuild/haul something. At that point, you might as well go mine veld in high as a "corp op".

Doubling the size of the fleet, means having to show up and defend it at a rate of once every 4 months for two hours to break even.

Another comparison:
I have three characters (just one account worth) doing PI. I passively make 2.75 mil an hour "for free with no effort". And I only have the relevant skills to level 4 on all three characters. I would venture the management effort and logistics are comparable. Three accounts would surpass the moon income. Two with perfect skills and a more efficient setup, than what I can be bothered to maintain. The system I am in can probably support up to 8-10 accounts doing so, or ~4 Tech moons worth. I would also wager the number of systems like this far exceeds 500.

We're talking about moon income in the neighborhood of 5.4 bil a month on an alliance level. My tiny insignificant corp makes half that just off the PI taxes.


So how's about an easier way to balance something like this? Good moons, bad planets. Good plantes, bad moons. Suddenly you have relatively balanced resource potential region to region, without something as ludicrous as the suggestion in the OP. Is it a conflict driver? That depends. Do you want to haul in POS fuel? Or take some systems with bad moons, but fuel producing planets? Or maybe a trade deal with your neighbor is in order?

You know, I like how people keep trying to treat moongoo differently from PI extraction, manufacturing, copying and invention, considering all of them are mostly AFK activities.

Moongoo requires a POS, fuel, emptying of silos (or in the case of direct reaction, topping up of input silos and emptying of full output silos), and a defense fleet (where ships die) if it's a valuable moon. PI requires you press a button every 4 hours to once every week, manufacturing lets you press a button once every 30 days if you like, likewise with BP copying and invention. All of them require some sort of input at some point in the process.

But it's only moongoo that people ***** about being "AFK". vOv

and no matter how the resource distribution will be changed:

those much better organized entities will

a: understand the consequences faster
b: be much faster to react to them
c: adapt and mold the eve-universe to get the most benefit out of those changes.

people cry out to CCP to "make those bad cartels go away" instead of thinking

"geeze, how did this happen ? how can we react ? what needs to be done?"

and then freakin do it. but not by posting stupid stuff
and complaining. if you are not willing to put in immense hours of work , talking, planning, trying out and failing and going back the drawing board you should stop talking about unthroning anyone....

its a sandbox. and some have built quiet a few very very large castles. so either you accept that and play with whats left in the sandbox or leave it and play with something else.

my advice would be to gang up with all the other ones that are just a jealous about those gigantig castles and just stomp them down.
but that would require maybe some talking to real people and forming some kind of bond. and all that ina casual game after work. sorry, I know I couldn-¦t do that.... and it seems to me like not many in this game can or it would have been done already.