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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8438	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:34:00 - [31] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: You're new and don't know this but Eve wasn't like that a few years ago. When I started playing this game, there was no 'Ninja Salvaging'... "Ninja Salvaging" started the same day Salvaging did, because 'salvager' was explictly created to be a new profession. Indeed a dev said at the time that, and I quote: "nobody in his right mind thinks missioning needs any extra rewards". Evewho tells me that you started playing EVE 2008/06/23 02:48AM. Salvaging was introduced in the Revelations expansion, in November 2006. Googling "EVE salvage theft 2006 2007" gives this link as the first hit, dating from 2007: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/580679-0/author/CCP People have been (mistakenly) bitching about salvage "theft" literally since the day it was introduced, because EVE salvage law follows RL salvage law. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8: Read about my platform here Please endorse my candidacy here
Maxpie MUSE Buy-n-Large 279	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:37:00 - [32] - Quote Send him my way, or to the chat channel 'Free Wrecks'. When I do do missions, I don't bother looting/salvaging - he can feel free to have it. No good deed goes unpunished
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1546	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:39:00 - [33] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: You're new and don't know this but Eve wasn't like that a few years ago. When I started playing this game, there was no 'Ninja Salvaging', 'Mission Invasion' or 'Hulkageddon' crap. Looks like someone beat me to it, but this is totally false. I started playing in 2007 on a character I've since sold (I still remember the excitement of earning enough to by my 1st Navy Raven lol) running missions in the Dodixie Area. People came into my mission all the time. I lost that 1st navy Raven to a dude who I shot at after he took something out of my can (in a frig) then next thing i know a Brutix and Dominix are all up in my grill. I learned aggro mechanics that day lol. Hell, you can go to many EVE related killboards and find such kills going way back. What EVE have you been playing?
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 87	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:55:00 - [34] - Quote A GAME?! That gameplay is what sets EVE apart from other MMOs, I for one wouldnt want to see it any other way.
Esteban Dragonovic Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:55:00 - [35] - Quote Where does it say games have to be fair?
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3854	Posted - 2013.04.03 13:59:00 - [36] - Quote DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging. Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8441	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:00:00 - [37] - Quote Adam Armer wrote: So, because this is a "GAME": I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play" Thank you "GAME" Notes: 1- I'm not trolling 2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone) 3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine 4- I'm not trolling 5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here /thread /GAME EVE is a pvp game. He has acted entirely within the rules. Wardecs are by no means a new or unknown mechanism, and they have been in the game since CONCORD was introduced. Wardeccing someone as a means of extortion is a valid form of gameplay. Your options are (1) Pay (2) Fight (3) Leave the corp In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8: Read about my platform here Please endorse my candidacy here
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1839	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:02:00 - [38] - Quote Adam Armer wrote: So, because this is a "GAME": I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play" Thank you "GAME" Notes: 1- I'm not trolling 2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone) 3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine 4- I'm not trolling 5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here /thread /GAME Do you also have trouble with the PvP aspects of Checkers and Chess? Does it bring you down when someone jumps your red king or captures your pawns? Perhaps you need to reassess your understanding of the rules of the game. Also, can I have your stuff? I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Dave Stark 2350	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:04:00 - [39] - Quote drop to npc corp, no wardecs ever. you waste time reading this?
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1547	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:19:00 - [40] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging. Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison. That's my take as well. As far as I'm concerned, EVE is TAME today compared to the past. I think a good indicator is how in game stuff is making the "real life" news less often now than in the past. We're the 80 bil isk subcapital ship ganks to make it on BBC news? Or the epic spy stuff the fells whole coalitions overnight? Or the scandals that get mentioned in the Wall Street Journal? I don't think is is a positive development, as EVE gets more "mature" and "civilized" the way many a GD poster wants it to, it looses that rough edged "wild west in space" thing that spawns epicness. But hey, at least our ships now come with safeties so we don't accidentally our ships into low sec now.......
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1547	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:21:00 - [41] - Quote Malcanis wrote: In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be. If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1286	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:24:00 - [42] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: The most disturbing part is knowing there's still someone bothering with L4 missions. I see that the pedestal that you've placed yourself on has gotten so high that it's cut off all the oxygen to your brain. Live Events are neither.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8443	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:24:00 - [43] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging. Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison. That's my take as well. As far as I'm concerned, EVE is TAME today compared to the past. I think a good indicator is how in game stuff is making the "real life" news less often now than in the past. We're the 80 bil isk subcapital ship ganks to make it on BBC news? Or the epic spy stuff the fells whole coalitions overnight? Or the scandals that get mentioned in the Wall Street Journal? I don't think is is a positive development, as EVE gets more "mature" and "civilized" the way many a GD poster wants it to, it looses that rough edged "wild west in space" thing that spawns epicness. But hey, at least our ships now come with safeties so we don't accidentally our ships into low sec now....... My thoughts on this (tl;dr: you're quite right) Vote for Malcanis for CSM8: Read about my platform here Please endorse my candidacy here
Akiyo Mayaki 153	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:13:00 - [44] - Quote Did someone threaten to war dec you? You should make a petition, clearly they are abusing the game mechanics. :v No
Milan Nantucket New Eden Misfits 27	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:20:00 - [45] - Quote My main was visited once by thieves.... when the thief turned yellow my main blew him up... then abandoned all the wrecks for giggles Your correct on it being tamer.... I remember when "Warp to 0" didn't exist... made gate camps interesting instead of boring as hell.
baltec1 Bat Country 5790	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:22:00 - [46] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Malcanis wrote: In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be. If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football.
Corey Fumimasa Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 241	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:24:00 - [47] - Quote Welcome to Eve Adam. The challenge here is not the rats or the missions, it is the bastard who stole your wrecks and threatened a wardec. That interaction is the most interesting part of the game. Grinding rats is no challenge and really no problem to figure out, most people soon tire of such gameplay. Set a trap for the thief, recent changes to theft flagging mark the thief as a target to everyone making it much more difficult to ninja loot or can flip. Move systems if you can't fight a war dec. Very few corps will follow you to a new location. Or move into low/null. When there you at least know that anyone who is not blue in system is dangerous. start farming wormholes instead of missions. There are options for you even if you can't fight, take advantage of them and just plan on loosing some ships. That is the great disconnect that I see with Eve and new players, the idea that perfect play will protect you from loss, it wont. You must be prepared to loose ships in Eve. NRDS because its a better game.
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association 15	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:44:00 - [48] - Quote Adam Armer wrote: ...he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore... Move. Find some place further away from hubs.
Seven Koskanaiken Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 130	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:08:00 - [49] - Quote He said "I'm not trolling" twice that's a double negative means he's trollin
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1548	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:08:00 - [50] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Malcanis wrote: In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be. If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football. I was talkin 'bout Amurika Football! I would start chanting "USA, USA" but my public school didn't cover spelling (thank god for spell check).
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1548	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:12:00 - [51] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging. Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison. That's my take as well. As far as I'm concerned, EVE is TAME today compared to the past. I think a good indicator is how in game stuff is making the "real life" news less often now than in the past. We're the 80 bil isk subcapital ship ganks to make it on BBC news? Or the epic spy stuff the fells whole coalitions overnight? Or the scandals that get mentioned in the Wall Street Journal? I don't think is is a positive development, as EVE gets more "mature" and "civilized" the way many a GD poster wants it to, it looses that rough edged "wild west in space" thing that spawns epicness. But hey, at least our ships now come with safeties so we don't accidentally our ships into low sec now....... My thoughts on this (tl;dr: you're quite right) Right on the (Space) money with that article, and yet many a "solo/casual" won't understand that, because "they just play games to chill". it's not like choice of game to chill with should matter or anything lol. I am not predicting doomsday/EVE is dying as it were, but it does really seem to me that CCP is kind of going in the wrong direction. The game needs more bloodshed and what other games would call "douchebaggery", not less.
Pepper Mind Spicy Enterprises 18	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:32:00 - [52] - Quote You could create a wallet-division in times of peace within your corporation. If you get war decced, you can hire mercs to defend you, if you aren't able to do so. This is an advice, if you typed your first post with serious thoughts and still monitoring this thread.
Dave Stark 2351	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:36:00 - [53] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football. i see what you did there... you waste time reading this?
Derdrom Utida Brave Newbies Inc. 30	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:39:00 - [54] - Quote You didn't have to make this thread again, OP
Grendel Sickswitch 34	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:56:00 - [55] - Quote Adam Armer wrote: So, because this is a "GAME": I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play" Thank you "GAME" Notes: 1- I'm not trolling 2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone) 3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine 4- I'm not trolling 5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here /thread /GAME just stay in a hangar altogether if you can't handle the massive risk and dangers in level 4 high sec missioning.
March rabbit No Name No Pain 611	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:05:00 - [56] - Quote Galan Amarias wrote: Seriously your enjoyment was destroyed because people want to interact wit you? You may want a single player experience. Sounds like you have never seen any human Most of a time when somebody wants to "interact with you" it means you will get trouble soon or at least someone will waste your time
Saeri Averes-Vith Shy Carebear 3	Posted - 2013.04.03 19:50:00 - [57] - Quote Adam Armer wrote: So, because this is a "GAME": I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play" Thank you "GAME" Notes: 1- I'm not trolling 2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone) 3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine 4- I'm not trolling 5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here /thread /GAME Would you believe me if I told you that I envy you? Back when I was running missions (actually not that long ago) it was so boring that I had wished to get more interaction with others - the bad sort of interaction to be precise. I'm not even talking about little things like ninja looters/salvagers... I would have loved a Wardec (however unlikely on my 1man corp), falling for good scam or getting suicide ganked in one of my expensive ships. The worst thing that ever happened to me was a hurricane or tornado (not sure which, but one of the common ganking ships) targeting my industrial with 1.5 bil cargo. Yes, TARGETING - he did not open fire. And sadly so because I would have congratulated that person for his patience and efforts paying off. The thrill of danger and losing something valuable is what I love about EVE after all. IMHO you should be happy that the game and it's fine citizens did deliver it to you.
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 340	Posted - 2013.04.03 20:51:00 - [58] - Quote Derdrom Utida wrote: So someone was mean to you and you think it's the game's fault? No, you should realize that you're on a level playing field. Get skills, or get friends, or get a merc corp to slaughter the guy. It's a war dec, and it doesn't grant him invulnerability from you. The best tears in the game are the tears of wardeccers that get shot up by supposed carebears. I have done this and it is indeed glorious. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Skeln Thargensen Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp 74	Posted - 2013.04.03 21:20:00 - [59] - Quote mercs are expensive though, aren't they? OP looks pretty new I don't know if he'd have that kind of money. good way to spend carebear loot though! I feel like a tourist in this game.
Haulie Berry 317	Posted - 2013.04.03 21:23:00 - [60] - Quote If you want to be insulated from the actions of other players, try a single-player game.

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