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Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 431	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:37:00 - [1] - Quote From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve?
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1846	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:45:00 - [2] - Quote Miilla wrote: From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve? There is almost no risk in attacking a pod. Why would the reward be higher? I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 432	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:46:00 - [3] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Miilla wrote: From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve? There is almost no risk in attacking a pod. Why would the reward be higher? Because if one is in empire, you take on a sec penalty and get flagged/killed.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 327	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:49:00 - [4] - Quote Miilla wrote: War Kitten wrote: Miilla wrote: From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve? There is almost no risk in attacking a pod. Why would the reward be higher? Because if one is in empire, you take on a sec penalty and get flagged/killed. Because those are considered penalties or risks these days... [00:18:15] Intex Encapor > THIS NOW IN: TURELUS 5% MORE BITTER THAN INTEX
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 432	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:52:00 - [5] - Quote Turelus wrote: Miilla wrote: War Kitten wrote: Miilla wrote: From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve? There is almost no risk in attacking a pod. Why would the reward be higher? Because if one is in empire, you take on a sec penalty and get flagged/killed. Because those are considered penalties or risks these days... Yes and that risk/penalty needs to be balanced by a reward to encourage mini professions, especially the "bounty hunter" mini profession which seems dead on arrival in empire.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1846	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:55:00 - [6] - Quote Miilla wrote: War Kitten wrote: Miilla wrote: From what I understand, the bounty pay out is 20% of the ship kill , which softens this "harsh universe game" but also the SAME 20% is applied for a pod kill? If this is correct, shouldn't there be higher reward for a higher penalty/risk (same could be argued for a gank that takes on a higher risk/penalty too) or is this no longer the future direction of Eve? There is almost no risk in attacking a pod. Why would the reward be higher? Because if one is in empire, you take on a sec penalty and get flagged/killed. Compared to attacking a ship in the same situation, the pod target is far less risk. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4028	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:56:00 - [7] - Quote Miilla wrote: Yes and that risk/penalty needs to be balanced by a reward to encourage mini professions, especially the "bounty hunter" mini profession which seems dead on arrival in empire. ....and I blame CCP for making the very idea of Bounties utterly meaningless. Really. Meaningless. The only fun part is getting the notifications when someone 'generates' a Claim by dying in a fire. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 434	Posted - 2013.04.04 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote When a bounty goes over a certain threshold, they should be fair game without getting concorded not just having a bad security rating otherwise bounty hunting just won't take off in empire outside of world of warcraft style duelling that they added. Being a bounty hunter in empire is like *knock knock.. excuse me mr quasi-bad person, may we duel so I can claim your bounty? Does not really encourage Bounty Hunting as a mini-profession in empire at all.
Angelique Duchemin Serenity Prime Kraken. 388	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:07:00 - [9] - Quote Miilla wrote: When a bounty goes over a certain threshold, they should be fair game without getting concorded not just having a bad security rating otherwise bounty hunting just won't take off in empire outside of world of warcraft style duelling that they added. Being a bounty hunter in empire is like *knock knock.. excuse me mr quasi-bad person, may we duel so I can claim your bounty? Does not really encourage Bounty Hunting as a mini-profession in empire at all. So I should be able to put a bounty on a freighter in Jita which would then flag him as fair game. Kill him and then claim my own bounty and all his stuff? Also the bounty system counts the ship loss but not implants. The reason it pays out 20% is to keep pirates from podding themselves to cash out their own bounty like they could do before. We miss you Saede.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:20:00 - [10] - Quote They don't need to pod themselves, they just lose their ships.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3860	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:21:00 - [11] - Quote Since killing a pod is not a necessity for collecting a bounty, unless you are trying to collect the bounty twice, I don't see any reason to do something special for pod kills. If you really must kill a pod that has a bounty, and are unwilling to accept the consequences, then you need to restrict yourself to those pods that also have a kill right available. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3860	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:23:00 - [12] - Quote As a side note, I have collected on dozens of bounties and made a fair amount of coin from them. Not one of those kills was, or needed to be, a pod kill. I suppose that for me bounty hunting is more of a hobby than a profession. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:24:00 - [13] - Quote I just want to be a real bounty hunter in all areas of eve, if I have to go to NULL, well its free for all in null already, this adds nothing much to null, and it is restricted in empire, I just cannot see Bounty Hunter being taken seriously as it stands. How can I get into Bounty Hunting if I am going to be concorded for claiming bounties? All CCP done is make an ISK sink, with no real fun in it appart from oh hehehe he got killed email for a lame rifter fight at a station dock. woopie doo.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4033	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:27:00 - [14] - Quote The Bounty Hunting Re-Do was the biggest "failure to actually deliver" since Incursions. (And WIS, but I'm not going to officially go there atm). There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:28:00 - [15] - Quote I came back after 6 months after reading their hot air on the page about being a Bounty Hunter, walked away disappointed on the lack of real a Bounty Hunting profession at all. They keep talking about themed patches, well how about actually having a playable theme? Team little things, is a very apt name.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13438	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:31:00 - [16] - Quote Miilla wrote: I just want to be a real bounty hunter in all areas of eve, if I have to go to NULL, well its free for all in null already, this adds nothing much to null, and it is restricted in empire, I just cannot see Bounty Hunter being taken seriously as it stands. How can I get into Bounty Hunting if I am going to be concorded for claiming bounties? By being an intelligent bounty hunter who only goes after the bounties that are worth your effort. Treat your business seriously and stop trying to go after shoplifters. In the case of EVE, it means trying to find me when I fly a JF or trying to find people who have outstanding killrights available on them. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:32:00 - [17] - Quote And if that player with a bounty worth the effort is sitting in empire all the time with a safe sec rating, how is that being a bounty hunter? I could sit in empire with 10 billion on my head from 10,000 different players and in any ship, I would feel safe, I shouldnt feel safe. I shouldnt be safe.
Milan Nantucket New Eden Misfits 27	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:34:00 - [18] - Quote I have made a fair amount of isk... most people that are truly wanted are normally flashy yellow. So you have to work a little to get player bounties... otherwise bounty hunitng is no more than ratting for isk.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:35:00 - [19] - Quote Being yellow means you can kill them? Nope. I'm yellow here, with bounty on my head, in empire, I'm safe. I should neither feel safe nor be safe. I want some excitement and challenge by being both wanted, and being hunted, and also being the hunter. To be a real bounty hunter in empire you have to abuse other mechanics to wardec them but they can use dec shields and sit in NPC corps avoiding it. Failed feature really, I have to get permission in empire to claim a bounty really, with regards to null, its free for all in null and W anyway, so its irrellevant really, you can kill whoever you want whenever you want whereever you wantin null/w and don't really need other mechanics sure its nice to get money back, but you could do that with the old system on pod kills anwyay in null/w. Bounty hunting should be "ENABLED" in empire.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3861	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:46:00 - [20] - Quote Miilla wrote: Being yellow means you can kill them? Nope. I'm yellow here, with bounty on my head, in empire, I'm safe. I should neither feel safe nor be safe. I want some excitement and challenge by being both wanted, and being hunted, and also being the hunter. To be a real bounty hunter in empire you have to abuse other mechanics to wardec them but they can use dec shields and sit in NPC corps avoiding it. Failed feature really, I have to get permission in empire to claim a bounty really, with regards to null, its free for all in null and W anyway, so its irrellevant really, you can kill whoever you want whenever you want whereever you wantin null/w and don't really need other mechanics sure its nice to get money back, but you could do that with the old system on pod kills anwyay in null/w. Bounty hunting should be "ENABLED" in empire. I realize you are only trolling for responses, and I approve , however I can't help but point out: 1: If you feel safe sitting in Empire, bounty or not, you're kidding yourself. 2: The point being made is that to be a bounty hunter you actually have to think about who and what you go after. The amateur Bounty Hunter will shoot anything and everything with a bounty in high sec. The professional Bounty Hunter will select targets with a bounty that he can make a profit on via suicide gank, or selectively go after those with kill rights, or (depending on the habits of the target) wait until they get a suspect flag. What the target is flying (and it's value) and the size of the bounty figure into this decision. 3: Bounty Hunting in Null sec isn't meaningless. It still pays the same, it's just the decision making process in selecting your quarry is considerably simpler. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Doctor Ape MD Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.04.04 17:00:00 - [21] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I realize you are only trolling for responses, and I approve , however I can't help but point out: 1: If you feel safe sitting in Empire, bounty or not, you're kidding yourself. 2: The point being made is that to be a bounty hunter you actually have to think about who and what you go after. The amateur Bounty Hunter will shoot anything and everything with a bounty in high sec. The professional Bounty Hunter will select targets with a bounty that he can make a profit on via suicide gank, or selectively go after those with kill rights, or (depending on the habits of the target) wait until they get a suspect flag. What the target is flying (and it's value) and the size of the bounty figure into this decision. 3: Bounty Hunting in Null sec isn't meaningless. It still pays the same, it's just the decision making process in selecting your quarry is considerably simpler. I agree with this. When you think about the kind of people that would have bounties on their head, logically you would think 'pirates, thieves, criminals, etc'. These are the kinds of people that somebody, somewhere, has kill rights for that you can acquire to attack them anytime and anywhere. If you don't have the kill rights, you can always just follow them into null/low, wait until they flag themselves in high sec, or wait until you see them flying something juicy and gank them. The 'law abiding' person may not ever flag themselves (or even touch null or high sec), but if the bounty becomes high enough it will become profitable for them to be ganked. Odds are sooner or later you will find them in a freighter, fancy mission ship, or at minimum a mackinaw or hulk. The only people truly safe are the station traders and trade hub trolls who never actually undock.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13439	Posted - 2013.04.04 17:06:00 - [22] - Quote Miilla wrote: And if that player with a bounty worth the effort is sitting in empire all the time with a safe sec rating, how is that being a bounty hunter? By being someone who huntsGÇª for the bountyGÇª You know, the name of the profession? So you blow him up and collect the bounty. Duh. Quote: I could sit in empire with 10 billion on my head from 10,000 different players and in any ship, I would feel safe, I shouldnt feel safe. I shouldnt be safe. Good news: you're not. A bounty hunter might come along and kill you for the bounty. They don't even need to abuse any particular game mechanics to do so. Quote: Bounty hunting should be "ENABLED" in empire. More good news: it is. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:18:00 - [23] - Quote Yes I am safe, how are you going to gank a tengu? You cannot initiate a fight without using other mechanics to "bounty hunt" me in that. I feel very safe in empire with a bounty.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13463	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:24:00 - [24] - Quote Miilla wrote: Yes I am safe, how are you going to gank a tengu? Ctrl-click. F1. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Velicitia Nex Exercitus 1337	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:27:00 - [25] - Quote Tippia wrote: Miilla wrote: Yes I am safe, how are you going to gank a tengu? Ctrl-click. F1. might want CTRL+F1 and F2 there as well (or F2/F3, if that's where you have your point/web) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:29:00 - [26] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Tippia wrote: Miilla wrote: Yes I am safe, how are you going to gank a tengu? Ctrl-click. F1. might want CTRL+F1 and F2 there as well (or F2/F3, if that's where you have your point/web) You do realise I will be in empire and Concord will come before you get my ship ganked :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13463	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:32:00 - [27] - Quote Miilla wrote: You do realise I will be in empire and Concord will come before you get my ship ganked :) You do realise that CONCORD doesn't operate in all of empire space, and that, even in the parts that they do, you can quite handily kill ships before they appearGÇª GÇªalso, you do realise that the bounty payout on a Tengu will be quite high, right? Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:33:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: Miilla wrote: You do realise I will be in empire and Concord will come before you get my ship ganked :) You do realise that CONCORD doesn't operate in all of empire space, and that, even in the parts that they do, you can quite handily kill ships before they appearGÇª Have you noticed my corp name? Ofcourse I know about concord times :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13463	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:35:00 - [29] - Quote Miilla wrote: Have you noticed my corp name? Ofcourse I know about concord times :) No. Does it matter? And if you know about them, then why do you make such silly (and incorrect) assertions? Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 436	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:36:00 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Miilla wrote: Have you noticed my corp name? Ofcourse I know about concord times :) No. Does it matter? And if you know about them, then why do you make such silly (and incorrect) assertions? So come claim my bounty :)

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