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Frying Doom
2208
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:50:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So you have no attachment to the game I'm a multigamer, Frying. I play many games. Have many accounts. My accounts in EvE show it's paid for this month. Hmmmm...how do you be unsubscribed like that, again? Hmmm, my main WoW account shows it's paid until May, too. You like to believe EvE is a special snowflake among all gaming, so unique it's above all the other muck games can produce? It isn't. It's a game with the same players even (who do play other games too) and they play for their reasons and interests. Some may find interest in CSM elections. Some won't. But if you're so deluded to think because what you think isn't done the way you like it, they're "unloyal" and what not? Sit down and recheck that ego. Hint: MMOs share the same player pool. Many play more than 1 MMO. The trick is getting them to play your MMO and keep playing it. As for Blizzard: let's put it this way, they saw the abyss, and pulled back. No game is an island. No game is immuned to the pocketbook. Even Goliath can fall, quick. Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?
Yeah it is a special snow flake, there is no other game like it. Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2013.04.07 05:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well?
By opening more alt accounts, you mean?
(Psst...devs are going to shut down this thread for an overabundance of whole post quoting, like the last thread). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Frying Doom
2209
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Posted - 2013.04.07 05:28:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? (Psst...devs are going to shut down this thread for an overabundance of whole post quoting, like the last thread). No the game grew and is the only game that has consistently grown excluding the Incarna mess.
So pointless statements don't change that fact.
If you don't like the current CSM situation, step up to the plate and change it. Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
867
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:28:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Artctura wrote:True, but even the non summit members of the CSM will have greater influence with CCP then the average forum poster. Considering the average forum poster has zero influence, that's not saying very much. baltec1 wrote:We are getting a POS update are we not? Only because of a threadnought from a CSM member who had to defy the council's wishes and bring the issue directly to the massed playerbase on the forums. If Two Step would have left the issue with the CSM we'd have **** to show for it. yay, we get a bandaid fix that will put a fundamental POS rework off the table for at least the next 2 years.
great work CSM, thank you so very much!!! TEST alt - don't trust. |
Dave Stark
2465
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:29:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:yay, we get a bandaid fix that will put a fundamental POS rework off the table for at least the next 2 years.
great work CSM, thank you so very much!!!
moan when they change poses, moan when they don't... you waste time reading this? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1240
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:35:00 -
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The CSM are no government, there are no politicians, there are no official representatives, there is no power. All arguments regurgitated that are used to make people vote on election day in real life are rendered impotent by this simple fact.
This false attributing of political power is what puts me off of the CSM. It's basically a lie, a delusion perpetuated by those that covet power, even if it's just the image of it. It has been like this the very first CSM and only got worse over time. All the petty politics, public epeen waving and celebrity worship is sickening to me
The CSM is supposed to be a feedback aggregator to make communication between CCP and the players more efficient. To go through popular ideas and evaluate them with a diverse collection of backgrounds, compile them into a easy format and present them to CCP, who then can more effectively evaluate what to add to the to-do lists and at what priority. Same with feedback to CCP's blogs and proposed changes.
It was supposed to be a communications interface between players and CCP.
Instead we got politics, GO VOTE NAO!, muh rights to whine, propaganda, power blocks, drama and egomania. Disgusting. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
rodyas
tie fighters inc
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? (Psst...devs are going to shut down this thread for an overabundance of whole post quoting, like the last thread). No the game grew and is the only game that has consistently grown excluding the Incarna mess. So pointless statements don't change that fact. If you don't like the current CSM situation, step up to the plate and change it.
You can only gain the experience and knowledge of Cataclysm by playing Cataclysm.
It pretty much showed a game company can pretty much make a terrible mistake but still have enough going for it to never change.
Like with MT in EVE, blizzard would just shrugged all the protesters off and kept going. Instead of CCP trying to bring change and listen to them.
Its a harrowing experience, and you learn to lose trust in things, especially when things grow large. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:03:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: No the game grew and is the only game that has consistently grown excluding the Incarna mess.
Have the stock report showing this?
Frying Doom wrote: So pointless statements don't change that fact.
Have the stock report showing this?
Frying Doom wrote:If you don't like the current CSM situation, step up to the plate and change it.
I am doing what I can to state my beliefs, and stand behind them. But I believe the pocketbook is the best decider, not more of a puppet government with no real power. And no sane publisher/dev company would give that type of power. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems. in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is.
Actually your wrong, as the vote is anonymous no one knows if I voted or not which means I have as much right to complain as a person who did vote. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1215
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:53:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:yay, we get a bandaid fix that will put a fundamental POS rework off the table for at least the next 2 years.
great work CSM, thank you so very much!!!
When the alternative was "no bandaid fix and no fundamental POS rework on the table for at least the next 2 years", yes, we should thank Two Step (specifically him, not the CSM) for that. He shamed them into doing something when they were clearly quite content to do nothing. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:32:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:When the alternative was "no bandaid fix and no fundamental POS rework on the table for at least the next 2 years", yes, we should thank Two Step (specifically him, not the CSM) for that. He shamed them into doing something when they were clearly quite content to do nothing.
So basically...
Quote: Through the maze, precisely Through the myriad of schemes With your gaze, entice me Like an animal, not a mineral
And we won the war, lost the battle Lost the war, won the battle Won the war, lost the battle Lost the war...
All for the love of the humdrum and humble Color for the colorblind All for the love of the humdrum and humble Rubbishing the Philistines All for the love of the humdrum and humble
~ Tears For Fears "Humdrum and Humble"
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:43:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:It was supposed to be a communications interface between players and CCP.
Instead we got politics, GO VOTE NAO!, muh rights to whine, propaganda, power blocks, drama and egomania. Disgusting.
Right.
But give kids a sense of power, and see what happens...chaos...ePeens, egos, and treating the process like a game.
It looks like a new episode of Jerry Springer by how they act, behave and even accomplish with the same grandstanding.
They're suppose to represent the players, not block votes; not friends; not being self-serving.
CCP wins in all of it, as they can always show, "Hey, we did this...", but in the end without real power it's like watching the Muppet Show. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:48:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I feel no compulsion to be the enabler of someone else's bloated sense of entitlement, self-importance and alcohol problems. in that case you have pretty much 0 right to complain about anything for the next 12 months, or however long the csm is. That's an oft said statement by morons but a complete pile of ****. I pay 15 dollars a month to CCP. I am their customer. I can complain if and when I ******* well please. Voting to elect someone to a powerless group is a complete waste of time.... |
Alexis Machine
17
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Posted - 2013.04.07 16:23:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote: The CSM is supposed to be a feedback aggregator to make communication between CCP and the players more efficient. To go through popular ideas and evaluate them with a diverse collection of backgrounds, compile them into a easy format and present them to CCP, who then can more effectively evaluate what to add to the to-do lists and at what priority. Same with feedback to CCP's blogs and proposed changes.
It was supposed to be a communications interface between players and CCP.
Instead we got politics, GO VOTE NAO!, muh rights to whine, propaganda, power blocks, drama and egomania. Disgusting.
This is how I feel about it. Communications interface. The forums, and other mediums, are full of ideas, complaints, silliness, uninformed bitching, informed bitching, ponies, trolls, and randomness. The CSM sift through this crap, take the ideas and complaints that have merit, compile them into a format that's easily understood and informative, show it to the players for feedback, then hand their work over to CCP. That's it.
All this.. silliness that we have instead is a damn shame.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2013.04.07 16:35:00 -
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Alexis Machine wrote:This is how I feel about it. Communications interface. The forums, and other mediums, are full of ideas, complaints, silliness, uninformed bitching, informed bitching, ponies, trolls, and randomness. The CSM sift through this crap, take the ideas and complaints that have merit, compile them into a format that's easily understood and informative, show it to the players for feedback, then hand their work over to CCP. That's it.
All this.. silliness that we have instead is a damn shame.
And add to the misery for that trip to Iceland to talk with the devs in person - NDA.
So right there representation between player base and representatives is out of the window. They're tied down by a legal document, so can't report back what REALLY was discussed.
They are truly powerless.
You can get more done, for progress, with a thread with three categories - Critical Importance | Medium Importance | Low Importance and do away with all the legal mumbo jumbo.
Don't need to be in bed with the devs to present views anyway. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8549
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:42:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? (Psst...devs are going to shut down this thread for an overabundance of whole post quoting, like the last thread).
All the growth was new accounts!
(I have shown as much evidence for this as you assertion that it was all alts) Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8549
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:43:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
I am doing what I can to state my beliefs, and stand behind them.
Admirable. Why don't you pay people the minimal respect of assuming that the're doing the same, instead of assuming that everything that anyone else does is in bad faith? Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:All the growth was new accounts!
(I have shown as much evidence for this as you assertion that it was all alts)
I don't care if God handed it to you personally, let's see the public record of it.
Otherwise it's he said she said story.
Now, do you have an investors report? Otherwise there's no evidence of what you said even existed.
Malcanis wrote:Admirable. Why don't you pay people the minimal respect of assuming that the're doing the same, instead of assuming that everything that anyone else does is in bad faith?
Respect is earned, it isn't given.
You're not entitled to respect unless you earn it. Pure and simple.
Now you understand REAL politics and life. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1276
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:04:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Malcanis wrote:All the growth was new accounts!
(I have shown as much evidence for this as you assertion that it was all alts) I don't care if God handed it to you personally, let's see the public record of it. Otherwise it's he said she said story. Now, do you have an investors report? Otherwise there's no evidence of what you said even existed. Malcanis wrote:Admirable. Why don't you pay people the minimal respect of assuming that the're doing the same, instead of assuming that everything that anyone else does is in bad faith? Respect is earned, it isn't given. You're not entitled to respect unless you earn it. Pure and simple. Now you understand REAL politics and life.
Welcome to no-one respecting you then. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8554
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:45:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Malcanis wrote:All the growth was new accounts!
(I have shown as much evidence for this as you assertion that it was all alts) I don't care if God handed it to you personally, let's see the public record of it. Otherwise it's he said she said story. Now, do you have an investors report? Otherwise there's no evidence of what you said even existed. Malcanis wrote:Admirable. Why don't you pay people the minimal respect of assuming that the're doing the same, instead of assuming that everything that anyone else does is in bad faith? Respect is earned, it isn't given. You're not entitled to respect unless you earn it. Pure and simple. Now you understand REAL politics and life.
I think you're speaking in bad faith. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14686
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:57:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
200
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:59:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high.
Not only are account numbers at an all time high, but concurrent users is also at (Or at least very close) to one as well.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Artctura for CSM 2013 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8557
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:06:00 -
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He's desperate to prove "EVE is dying" because he's bitter he has to train skill up the same as everyone else.
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1256
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:30:00 -
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Artctura wrote:Mag's wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Not only are account numbers at an all time high, but concurrent users is also at (Or at least very close) to one as well. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility 55K+ when I just logged in. Not too shabby.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:18:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high.
Everyone I know has at least one alt, and my oldest friends in game have several, not all of which are currently active. It was not that way a few years ago. Objectively, it is an observable trend in game that is even being marketed by CCP at this time--and it is safe to say, if not extremely likely, that a much larger portion of EVE's player base now consists of alts then ever before in this game's history.
That's a really nice and technical way of telling you to go and blow it out of your ass. EVE is now being marketed as a "Power of Two" game it is so prolific.
...and yet we are told NOT to think that the power of two has any effect on subscriptions. Oh my... the stupid. It burns.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8559
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:32:00 -
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Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
322
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:44:00 -
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After my actual votes for Mangala, Malc, and Mynnna, I voted Riverini because **** all of you. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.
And the CSM candidate seems to know nothing about the steadily growing trend of alt accounts throughout New Eden.
Run to that vote booth people. We have a winner. Maybe next you can tell us how there are nothing but bots in empire, and in nullsec there are next to none? (Get's Popcorn.)
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
854
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:45:00 -
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No Votes Nerf Boats... so vote in the CSM elections Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Frying Doom
2249
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:50:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Malcanis wrote:Power of two promotions have been around for years. And multi-accounting certainly wasn't new or unusual when I started playing in 2006.
And the CSM candidate seems to know nothing about the steadily growing trend of alt accounts throughout New Eden. Run to that vote booth people. We have a winner. Maybe next you can tell us how there are nothing but bots in empire, and in nullsec there are next to none? (Get's Popcorn.) I have no data to say whether there are now more people with multiple accounts, or not.
Subscriptions have gone up, that is about it, when I joined the game one of the first articles I read said I should have 2 or 3 accounts.
Either way around you see threads here quite often talking about having only 1 account. Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |
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