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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.09.22 17:11:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Riggwelter
Originally by: Jolo
Edited by: Jolo on 15/09/2005 16:03:15
In my opinion it's rigged, CCP is giving those BPO to their own personnel, think about it you hear people getting them but who are they. That's my 2 cents.
Disclaimer this is my view and if you tell anyone I said this I will deny it.
Well im not a CCP employee and over 2 Research Characters ive had 6 BPO offers as follows
Harpy
Large Shield Booster
650mm Artillery
Medium Cap Battery
A tech 2 passive armour hardner (no idea what as i declined it)
Dual 250mm Rail Gun
Then again maybe im just very lucky was actually starting to think been a while since i had a BPO offer 
This is just soooo wrong.....
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Thalera Saldana
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Posted - 2005.09.23 11:24:00 -
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How about excluding characters from the lottery for 1-2 months after they have won a BPO? Or does this already happen?
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Skybar
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Posted - 2005.09.23 14:20:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Riggwelter
Originally by: Jolo
Edited by: Jolo on 15/09/2005 16:03:15
In my opinion it's rigged, CCP is giving those BPO to their own personnel, think about it you hear people getting them but who are they. That's my 2 cents.
Disclaimer this is my view and if you tell anyone I said this I will deny it.
Well im not a CCP employee and over 2 Research Characters ive had 6 BPO offers as follows
Harpy
Large Shield Booster
650mm Artillery
Medium Cap Battery
A tech 2 passive armour hardner (no idea what as i declined it)
Dual 250mm Rail Gun
Then again maybe im just very lucky was actually starting to think been a while since i had a BPO offer
If we assume that the chance to get a bpo offer is as large/small as the guy on first page calculated, like 0,1%. Then whats the chance to get 6 of them? 0,001^6, you do the math... it showed up alot of zero's in my calculator.
I wont comment on it.
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Mannakin
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Posted - 2005.09.23 18:19:00 -
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For some people to get more than 2 BPO offers just defies the laws of probabilty.
To be honest, there must be a bias in the BPO Lottery somewhere. I'm not saying the lottery is rigged, but the algorithm to assign BPO cannot be truely random based on research points.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:07:00 -
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Maybe just Maybe its not the lottery system itself but the "random" number generator used. .
Just a thought
Regards Al Thorr
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:45:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Riggwelter
Originally by: Jolo
Edited by: Jolo on 15/09/2005 16:03:15
In my opinion it's rigged, CCP is giving those BPO to their own personnel, think about it you hear people getting them but who are they. That's my 2 cents.
Disclaimer this is my view and if you tell anyone I said this I will deny it.
Well im not a CCP employee and over 2 Research Characters ive had 6 BPO offers as follows
Harpy
Large Shield Booster
650mm Artillery
Medium Cap Battery
A tech 2 passive armour hardner (no idea what as i declined it)
Dual 250mm Rail Gun
Then again maybe im just very lucky was actually starting to think been a while since i had a BPO offer
Is this any kind of joke? Are you serious? This week I was thinking on doing some missions for a r&d corp so I could get standings to put some agents available, and I found myself doing lvl 2 missions for about 2h, till I thought, what the heck I'll go 0.0 ratting this ain't worth it. I just wish I had my science skillpoints moved to gunnery instead.
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KaunKing
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Posted - 2005.10.09 08:09:00 -
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I have 2R&D Characters with 9 Agents so I have gotten
Stiletto
Malediction
Anathema
Prorator
800mm lrg Proj gun
Orge II drone
And turned down A small beam bpo(should have taken that one oh well)
Must be another lucky one.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.09 08:21:00 -
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the idea to implement t2 limited run BPCs in exchange for a small amount of RP and some trade goods has been thrown at CCP so many times over and over and it all seems wasted effort to date - things are on the drawing board but on this one they are going their own and ignoring that particular player suggestion base ... for the worst in my opinion but maybe they can add more diversity and get more players into small scale t2 BPO productoin
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2005.10.09 09:24:00 -
[39]
Originally by: KaunKing
I have 2R&D Characters with 9 Agents so I have gotten
Stiletto
Malediction
Anathema
Prorator
800mm lrg Proj gun
Orge II drone
And turned down A small beam bpo(should have taken that one oh well)
Must be another lucky one.
This makes me so f...ing angry. Some of us gets multiple (not two, but multiple) BPO's while some of us just sit and watch RP's grow.
I know it's lottery, but still. How can someone have so much luck? I still think there is something wrong with that lottery code. Seems like after you have one offer you have much better chance to get another one.
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KaunKing
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:30:00 -
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You must understand that I was using the best R&D agents in the game the since day one. I had my standing set so I was ready when they were first introduced. That was well before may players really ran missions. There were no rare bpc drops and the loot and rewards were not so great. So the pool of tickets was small. At this time with the number of players with R&D points my offers are like yours none. I no longer run the daily mission I had done with a passion. AS I also realise the chances have changed. Back when ceptor bpo's first came out they were bought for very little isk compared to now. I still have all the bpo's. I build em, sell em, and make bpc's to sell. Never have I entertained selling a bpo for a high price. I play the game because I love the market.
I feel I got in before the R&D curve was saturated. I is not rigged. I just played it well before every eve player with 5 alts got into the R&D business.
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callisthenes excelsior
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Posted - 2005.10.09 14:12:00 -
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Are there any stats anywhere of the number of points in the pool?
This would help players see that the lotto isn't rigged?
For example, 18 mil points in caldari starship pool versus someone's 300000 points. |
HalfLoaf
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Posted - 2005.10.09 14:23:00 -
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I would love just one offer 
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Loaf Is For Living !! Loaf It To The Full
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afk demonkiller
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Posted - 2005.10.09 19:36:00 -
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I have the seed of an idea for a complementry sytem to the current one. O.k a while back now i remember there being a char that manufuctured the 100 millionth piece of ammo (or something like that) This char got some neat stuff from ccp couldn't there be more bonus BPO's dropped this way to research chars so an example would be "well done you've hauled the 600'000'th piece of garbage this month he's a little gift of the blue variety". This would A) Reward the peeps that actualy use their research chars rather than just sitting into station gaining rp's for nothing B) Add a true random factor to bpo drops.
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Brock Renslar
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Posted - 2005.10.10 10:16:00 -
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Here's an idea... CCP wouldn't really need to change anything. They could just post a little info for us. I am sure we would all be a little more comfortable with this if they informed us of things such as the dates that the BPOs are given, how many RPs the winners had, how many "tickets" were in the lottery, etc. Just some basic stats would make us feel like there really was a lottery. As it is now, there are no indications as to when the lottery has taken place, etc. People get frustrated because all we see is the accumulation of the RPs in our research journal. We never hear anything like "Congratulations to Joe Pod-Guy who just won a Harpy BPO in this weeks BPO lottery!" Not that I would be totally happy that I didn't win, but I think the knowledge that someone DID win would do some good. It is hard to have blind faith in such things when we rarely see any results.
...unless of course, this info is being given out already and I just don't know about it.
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Scarion
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Posted - 2005.10.10 10:34:00 -
[45]
How does that lottery work?
Is it on daily base? Or what kind of frequency do they use?
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.10.10 10:59:00 -
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Maybe u are all getting scammed! If players can do it....then y cant NPC corps do it aswell 
Mining 4tw.
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2005.10.10 19:49:00 -
[47]
the lottery is some lame ****, unless I am "selected" to receive a bpo then it kicks ass.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2005.10.11 03:56:00 -
[48]
Originally by: KaunKing
You must understand that I was using the best R&D agents in the game the since day one. I had my standing set so I was ready when they were first introduced. That was well before may players really ran missions. There were no rare bpc drops and the loot and rewards were not so great. So the pool of tickets was small. At this time with the number of players with R&D points my offers are like yours none. I no longer run the daily mission I had done with a passion. AS I also realise the chances have changed. Back when ceptor bpo's first came out they were bought for very little isk compared to now. I still have all the bpo's. I build em, sell em, and make bpc's to sell. Never have I entertained selling a bpo for a high price. I play the game because I love the market.
I feel I got in before the R&D curve was saturated. I is not rigged. I just played it well before every eve player with 5 alts got into the R&D business.
And you still haven't gotten it yet? So what? If I bought a lottery ticket in real life, and didn't win in twenty years, even if I did it every day and started first on the first day, it doesn't mean I'm entitled to win. Get over it would be my advice, it's a game and it's a lottery.
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Xune
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Posted - 2005.10.11 06:39:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mo Steel
Originally by: KaunKing
You must understand that I was using the best R&D agents in the game the since day one. I had my standing set so I was ready when they were first introduced. That was well before may players really ran missions. There were no rare bpc drops and the loot and rewards were not so great. So the pool of tickets was small. At this time with the number of players with R&D points my offers are like yours none. I no longer run the daily mission I had done with a passion. AS I also realise the chances have changed. Back when ceptor bpo's first came out they were bought for very little isk compared to now. I still have all the bpo's. I build em, sell em, and make bpc's to sell. Never have I entertained selling a bpo for a high price. I play the game because I love the market.
I feel I got in before the R&D curve was saturated. I is not rigged. I just played it well before every eve player with 5 alts got into the R&D business.
And you still haven't gotten it yet? So what? If I bought a lottery ticket in real life, and didn't win in twenty years, even if I did it every day and started first on the first day, it doesn't mean I'm entitled to win. Get over it would be my advice, it's a game and it's a lottery.
And from how many people you know that have won the lottery-jackpots 5 times ?
lame response, realy
1 time... yes
2 times OK it COULD happen
3 times um.... how much % chanche do you have for that ?
4...................
5 freaking hell whats happening here ?
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Teles666
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Posted - 2005.10.11 12:54:00 -
[50]
I've not got a single RP, so I guess I can't win :)
But the comments in this thread show me the randomness of the lottery is not random. Do CCP know what is happening and plan to fix it?
If I was going into R&D I think I'd use multiple accounts and alts to do it - don't put all your eggs in one basket as it appears some baskets are broken.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.10.11 13:43:00 -
[51]
As a multiple bpo winner (9 of them so far from this character from 7 different agents, i,e two agents have dropped twice and then I upgraded to level IV agents), I would recommend that you run the non-bonus streams, e.g. mech eng, electronic engineering, etc. However the past is no guarantee of future performance.
I have two alts with 11 agents between them running the more specialised streams and they have never had a single drop.
Maggot.
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Fergus Runkle
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Posted - 2005.10.11 17:41:00 -
[52]
Oh come on, how can there be people that win any fair lottery 5, 6 or 9 (NINE!) times. That just defies belief.
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Sarah Ponytails
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Posted - 2005.10.11 18:04:00 -
[53]
Hallo thar!!! I come from texas and ai've won maself the sweepstakes 9 times this year, why ia'm a multi-billionaire 
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D'ni
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Posted - 2005.10.17 05:49:00 -
[54]
Just thought I'd add in my 0.02isk worth on this. (And please note that I'm only a comp sci student rather than an experienced professional so this is all to the best of my understanding. My appologies if I got it wrong.)
My main note is about the whole lottery aspect, or more specifically, the randomness of it: The main problem with this is that computers are not able to truly be random, regardless of how complex/advanced a random number generator is used. This is why, in real life, tumbling machines with multiple numbered balls are used to determine the winning lotto numbers. The hardest part about the RP lotto is the simple fact that it has to deal with variable amounts of "tickets".
The basic explanation of how computers get random numbers is to access an unrealated area of memory and convert whatever data is in that location into a number. This skews the odds however as it now factors in what data values are common in the memory of the computer, hence the clustering effect. Advanced methods are used to counter this effect, but they are notably less effective when the range of random values isn't fixed. (Lots of weird binary math that I have yet to fully comprehend...)
What I'm trying to say is that the main problem is inherent in the hardware itself.
As such, I think that the RP auction idea is a great one. It's a good way to give people with masses of RP a chance to cash in, with those who haven't won anything having many more RP to spend on such than those who have.
There's also another option though that could stir things up a bit: allow both isk AND RP to be used in BPO auctions. Of course, the value of RPs would have to be established in isk. The best way to make this work would be to have 1 RP worth a fair chunk of isk. (10:1, 100:1, 1000:1, higher?) Effectively, this would treat the auctions as a method of rushing the R&D teams into finishing a project (BPO) faster. Hence why RP are worth more than isk: collaboration, rather than additional funding, is the most efficient way to speed up research by solving critical stumbling blocks. (Anyone who's worked with complex algorithms (advanced math, programming, etc.) will be familiar with the problem of the invisible stupid mistake: 2+2=5, but you don't see it till someone else glances over your shoulder and points it out. Damn is that ever a ****-off after hours/days of looking for what's wrong to no avail...)
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2005.10.17 11:41:00 -
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I think there are some hidden inside criterias they consider when deciding who give the bpos to. I guess one of the main of them is that the person must be in respectable corp, and things like that... Because they feel it's just giving away lots of isk for nothing when a person who, by their internal standards, didn't deserve it, receives a BPO worth several billion isk. Read this for example...
Thus people within small corps (or in npc corps) and research alts with hard to guess main are most unlikely to receive anything, ever.
It's just a theory though.
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Dilettante
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Posted - 2005.10.17 11:55:00 -
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I won a BPO recently, I picked the R&D agent about 9 months ago. I never did any mission for him nor his corporation, I just ignored him for 9 months.
I have corpmates who have 4 or 5 agents for more than a year, some used to do missions and they have maybe 3 or 4 times more RP than I had when I won my BPO.
I really take this as a lottery, keep your RD running in background and focus on something completely different meanwhile. |
Maggot
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Posted - 2005.10.17 12:50:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
I think there are some hidden inside criterias they consider when deciding who give the bpos to.
Why would they care?
Did you write this from your underground bunker?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.10.17 14:53:00 -
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If my RnD agent wasnt a female would have slept with her wife a looong time go just to punish her for being such a crappy RnD agent 
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.10.18 01:28:00 -
[59]
if you want a bpo, go to any station and buy a shuttle bpo.
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Mar vel
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Posted - 2005.10.18 03:28:00 -
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I bought into RA's early; @ 40m isk, it is undoubtedly the worst waste of isk I have ever tossed away. That's a pretty expensive lottery ticket. All of you griefers who say you can't play w/o a ticket can kiss my a** right in the *****. A $40m entrance fee is no joke, and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
I have nowhere near the kinds of RP's some of the characters here have: I have never deluded myself that I will "win" anything. I let my RA's do whatever it is that they do. If I ever see one in 0.0 it's KOS.
That being said:
Whoever thinks that there's anything random about the current system had better pull their heads out of the a**.
Someone who gets 6 (or even 9) BPO's should raise a BIG RED FLAG that there's nothing random going on here. Look at the numbers. I don't give a poo how early you got in - that shouldn't make THAT much of a difference.
Look at the link from the Dev chat just a week ago. OMG, blatant admission.
and...just so that I can demonstrate even further, I know of one individual in particular who had several hundred thousand RP's in various field who complained diligently about his lack of offers; after POS's came out, he was running a T2 manufacturing consortium - but had no BPO's to speak of. After interfacing with some Dev's in re: POS problems, he was suddenly (oh my gosh, it happened) was flush with SEVERAL BPO's within a few weeks passing. He then bought a few others just to round out his collection. This was March 2005.
So don't tell me it's random. Talk to the Left.
Mar
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