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sirbest	Posted - 2005.09.15 18:13:00 - [31] Sounds like a wine fest to me.. lets all cry
Tekka	Posted - 2005.09.15 18:44:00 - [32] Look at my sec 2 weeks ago Ive was around -7 and I havent even been playing that much due to school Dark Cartel Website
Cuebick	Posted - 2005.09.15 19:24:00 - [33] Oh, so you bacame an outlaw but the fun ended when you realized that you have to pay for what you've done.. so sorry ____________________________________
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.09.15 20:14:00 - [34] If im painting you with the same brush as the lame asses who generally havent got the balls to pirate in 0.0 then I i'm sorry..... oh no... in fact I was right the first time I really don't give a st. I have more respect for someone like Ifni, he has been a pirate since the old JQA days when hunting and podding him in eza/m2 was a sport. He is now someone I seriously watch out for as he plies his nasty assed trade in 0.0 where people with real pirating balls fly. Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. They don't pirate as an RP based career, they are quake in spacers who just deserve the sec hit and should live with it and stop whining. ---------------------------------------------- Director Octavian Vanguard We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.**
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 20:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Heptameron If im painting you with the same brush as the lame asses who generally havent got the balls to pirate in 0.0 then I i'm sorry..... oh no... in fact I was right the first time I really don't give a st. I you don't care then why bother posting? Originally by:** Heptameron Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. They don't pirate as an RP based career, they are quake in spacers who just deserve the sec hit and should live with it and stop whining. I try to RP my pirate main, but I'm still getting used to it and figuring out exactly what character I want to RP. Pirating is the ONLY thing I do. I don't jump in a Covetor and mine arkonor when I get low on cash, I don't get my corp together and do complex runs. I operate in low-sec. I prey on unsuspecting NPCers, complex runners and miners. Why? To profit from their deaths. I even assist in gate camps when I'm low on cash. To be honest, I don't care about how much respect you give me. Piracy is a profession like any other. I'm in it to make a living. I don't care about honour or sport. I honour ransoms because it's better for business, I also hate breaking promises. I destroy and ships and ransom players because it pays the bills. Sure 0.0 piracy is harder, and the rewards are better, but so are the risks. I am not strong enough to take on big time pirates and alliance blob fleets but there is nothing wrong with that. To assert that 0.0 pirates have more balls seems like mere machismo and egotism to me. They are just different ways of operating and both are valid game mechanics. Yes, I know that as a result I will take a sec hit for my actions in low-sec. I am prepared for the consequences.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.09.15 21:48:00 - [36] I was a pirate for around 4 months (-10) and after leaving that career behind wanted to try something different. Now i dont agree with people going from outlaw to yulai in a few days willy nilly. But its abit rediculious with the current system, i mean of many players want to spend 1-2 months subscription npcing? For the record i have been npcing on and off for 2 weeks and have gone from -9.9 to -8.5 O well back to the belts....
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.09.15 22:13:00 - [37] 750K rats have been replaced by complex overseers. Kill those and you'll see your sec rating jump up much faster. The only issue: you'll have to compete for them.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2005.09.15 22:24:00 - [38] Originally by: "Mardonius" Sure 0.0 piracy is harder, and the rewards are better, but so are the risks. The rewards for piracey are greater in empire when compared to 0.0, the reason i play in 0.0 most of the time, is its more fun. BTW sec is easier to drop now than before, i believe 1.5mil npc bs give over 0.4% The old system where as you get +0.1 per day was alot better, it meant that pvpers didnt have to **** around with npc content. I got my sec status up, it took a week or so, i spent a few months that way and couldnt wait to get it back to -10, the game is alot more fun being -10 -10 ftw
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.09.15 23:04:00 - [39] If you are NPC'ing Guristas, then Conqs and Usurpers give a good sec hit :)
Layrex	Posted - 2005.09.15 23:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Heptameron If you can't do the time don't do the crime.... or more easily understood tough s**t. ------------------------------
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.09.16 02:37:00 - [41] I called the Waaaambulance for you. ~Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.09.16 03:00:00 - [42] Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.09.16 03:28:00 - [43] So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.16 05:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Ravenge Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one. If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved,
Thnikkaman	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Mardonius If you were addressing Mangoo I have seem some of his videos and he is no stranger to 0.0 Your post is a bit unclear as to what particular aspect of the topic you are adressing, or indeed who you are replying to. Also, hurling abuse at people calling them carebears isn't the best way to get your point across, nor does it reflect to well on you. I clearly said -10. Why would you think I was refering to you? Please read my post more carefully. While on the subject of reading more carefully, I said "You talk about carebears?" It was pretty damn obvious who I was talking to, there was absolutly no reason for your reply to me. I wasn't "hurling abuse" at anyone, and if you even find the word carebear offensive you need help. _____________________________________________/ Here comes the Thnikkaman! Yeah! Shut up kid!
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:38:00 - [46] As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0
The Hanz	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 15/09/2005 16:49:21 Originally by: Deja Thoris Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase. Right, a) a pirate usually doesnt carebear, so we wont be able to use agents above say lvl 2, sometimes even lvl 1. b) most lvl 4 pirates are based in high sec and if our statuses are below 5, we arent allowed there. So that's basically a no go for the majority of people When you said 0.8% im presuming you mean 0.08% Plus, just killing one BS every 15mins (keeping 2 spawns alive) can get my sec up by 0.08% too, so that's not that great seeing as lvl 4s take much longer to complete. No, when i say 0.8% i MEAN 0.8% not 0.08% or 0.008% or 3 or 7 or 31 but 0.8% So you can either work your standings up with an agent or wallow in self pity shooting rats in belts for a pitiful sec increase. Your choice. Damn you, it was probably a typo, now they will fix it now Deja, you have screwed it for us all!
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Thnikkaman Originally by: Mardonius If you were addressing Mangoo I have seem some of his videos and he is no stranger to 0.0 Your post is a bit unclear as to what particular aspect of the topic you are adressing, or indeed who you are replying to. Also, hurling abuse at people calling them carebears isn't the best way to get your point across, nor does it reflect to well on you. I clearly said -10. Why would you think I was refering to you? Please read my post more carefully. While on the subject of reading more carefully, I said "You talk about carebears?" It was pretty damn obvious who I was talking to, there was absolutly no reason for your reply to me. I wasn't "hurling abuse" at anyone, and if you even find the word carebear offensive you need help. Apologies
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.09.16 07:57:00 - [49] Please make this clear :- If i kill 1 400k lvl4 rat, wait 10 mins, and then kill another, i will get a 0.8% increase from each one? If i kill 2 in the space of 10 mins, i just get an increase from 1 rat? Sorry but im finding this a bit hard to believe, but ill be chuffed if its true, havent been +sec for 6-7 months \o/
maximyus	Posted - 2005.09.16 08:02:00 - [50] Yeah great idea........You know what will happen they will nerf something ever time you lot (and its always the same people)You spend a year whinning about something and when ccp finally listen they go over board if none of you whined they there would be no nerfs in the first place. And it only takes 2 weeks to get from -4.5 to -1.4 (where u can go anywhere) so if you are -10 it will take u a month and think of all the pennys u will make :)
PAPA	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:13:00 - [51] Edited by: PAPA on 16/09/2005 09:13:52 Look ill make it easy for the hard of thinking out there. when pirates have a chance to regain their sec rating,they were more picky as its not wurth the hit for small stuff, So bs and fat indys get it frig sept crs live,and no podding But if you cant, you are gona hit -10 at some point so why not go for it. So now every thing get killed and podded,we would never dare pod coz of the sec hit but now O and Thnikkaman or wot ever your name is...GET A CLUE Mang0o works and has lived in the most hostle 0.0 places in EVE. YOU NUBBIT
Espen	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:35:00 - [52] Edited by: Espen on 16/09/2005 09:35:23 Originally by: Aotearorian As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0 Killing frigs and cruiser npc in empire... hmm, and that would take like 1-2 year or something?
Ja'kar	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:43:00 - [53] If you can't do the time don't do the crime.... or more easily understood tough s**t. yeah well 15min timer per kils is not right-
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:29:00 - [54] Why is the sec hit so high if u blow some1's ship up yet u have to kill like 2 or 3 npc npc bs in order to get it back...atleast take the timer off or increase the sec status gain when killing an npc......they talk about balancing the game...npc'ing isnt balanced at all. it takes u about 1 mins to get a -5.0% sec hit by killing a pod but only a 0.8% gain for killing an npc bs every 10 mins...now that aint balanced....sort it out!
HighPoint	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Heptameron Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. Now this made me actually laugh ....,funny hahaha .... All the rest of the whining here makes me cry
Hebus Zanheros	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 15/09/2005 15:47:47 Quote: Plz unnerf the 750k rats.. Was okej that you change the time to 15min after killing in Empire.. it was okej that you put up sentry guns in 0.4 - 0.1 (old stuff), im all up for that.. BUT NOW WE CANT EVEN NPC OUR SEC UP?.. damnit...im told it takes uber long time to npc up the sec status from -10 to -1.9.. :/ Eve will suck after the guy thats -10.0 never kill noobs in empier becouse the npcing takes 9weeks not 1week.. Only me Killing people is your choice assume your security status ! ;) have fun Mang0o. -----------------------------------------------
poisoner orbius	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:50:00 - [57] I used to be -10 for a long time, now working on raising my ss . If you kill 1 750k rat in 15 minutes it will really take you 3 months, finding better spawns (dual etc.) and chaining them on few belts at the same time works pretty fine for me.. all that crying about unnerfing 750k rats just makes me laugh... I used to kill a lot of ppl in empire now it's time to pay my debts
Jean	Posted - 2005.09.16 12:09:00 - [58] Edited by: Jean on 16/09/2005 12:08:57 Stop farkin whining abt havinz to "DO MORE THAN TEH TIME" Meh lubz PvP, butt not being a pierat I havz to run plexus or beltrat to make iskiez to buy boatz. I dont take sechitz cuz im a murc... So y in farkin 'ell shouldn't pierats hav tu endure teh same ****e azz us empire pvpers du, eh?! ----------------------------- Specialist in Digital Analogy
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.09.16 12:32:00 - [59] Originally by: Mardonius If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved, I'm sorry, the reason for you post was? Oh to clutter up the thread.. And yes, pirates have to do time to clean up there sec status. It simple falls to this, you want to gank someone by gate camping, attacking low sec miners and so on, you must expect that there is a price to pay. Yet, no this isn't the way you want it. Now, the whole of the piracy needs an overhaul as many aspects of it is far too easy. I.E gate camping with snipers. So to balance it out, you now have to work to clear your name. (and for the record, the 750k BS sec gain.. was borked.. it wasn't nerfed just fixed.)
Sarduk Larish	Posted - 2005.09.16 13:00:00 - [60] I still think you should have to do community service instead of NPC hunting to counter a negative sec.Get all you ebil rats mining veld for 2 weeks with no profit to atone for your sins But seriously, though i agree that the game mehcanics that affect piracy could use tweeking slightly in the pirates favour,rehabilitation is NOT the area that needs a boost. As was said, if you want a hi sec status, dont pirate.Simple as. This is a consequence of piracy, just as death is so often the consiquence of un un-prepaired carebear wandering into low sec.Accept responisibility for your actions. Adapt or die to the 750k rat nerf _______________________________________________ This dose of neutrality and reason brought to you by Khanid Krunch (2% Vitoc)-The only way to start your day.If your hungry in the morning reach for KK

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