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Elaine Marley	Posted - 2005.09.16 13:52:00 - [61] Edited by: Elaine Marley on 16/09/2005 13:52:47 The logic behind is really annoying in my eyes. I can be -10 in less then a day but i need 1-2 month hardcore NPCING the relations isnt there. But anyways who cares about sec stat? If you whine about it, dont shoot ppl. Podding Regards Elaine Marley Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control Veni, Vedi, Vici
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.16 14:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Mardonius Originally by: Ravenge Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one. If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved, So you have to gank, eh? "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
Drunk Driver	Posted - 2005.09.16 16:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 15/09/2005 15:47:47 Quote: Plz unnerf the 750k rats.. Was okej that you change the time to 15min after killing in Empire.. it was okej that you put up sentry guns in 0.4 - 0.1 (old stuff), im all up for that.. BUT NOW WE CANT EVEN NPC OUR SEC UP?.. damnit...im told it takes uber long time to npc up the sec status from -10 to -1.9.. :/ Eve will suck after the guy thats -10.0 never kill noobs in empier becouse the npcing takes 9weeks not 1week.. Only me I guess ganking all those folks in empire wasn't such a good idea was it? Looks like the system CCP has put in place to punish repeat gankers is working. Cool!
emptydude	Posted - 2005.09.16 17:50:00 - [64] looking back its not really a chore to get it back up... with diplomacy and all that you can be back in high sec quicker. think of the sec increase as a bonus to all the money your makin from doin it. --------
Killalord	Posted - 2005.09.16 19:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Jean Edited by: Jean on 16/09/2005 12:08:57 Stop farkin whining abt havinz to "DO MORE THAN TEH TIME" Meh lubz PvP, butt not being a pierat I havz to run plexus or beltrat to make iskiez to buy boatz. I dont take sechitz cuz im a murc... So y in farkin 'ell shouldn't pierats hav tu endure teh same ****e azz us empire pvpers du, eh?! learn to type ffs
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.09.16 20:16:00 - [66] I'm quite proud of my -10 standing with Concord. The only reason I kept it up before was because of the highway. Now it doesn't matter because I wasn't really going that far when they removed it. So why not just stay here and soak it up. At least the systems I work out of our extensivly bookmarked.
skitszo	Posted - 2005.09.16 20:21:00 - [67] anything to make pirates whine is OOO so good. cheers.
MWEI	Posted - 2005.09.17 19:48:00 - [68] Edited by: MWEI on 17/09/2005 19:49:13 The game's difference from CS or other space shooter is, it cost you real life time>money if you die. It would seems reasonable that it also cost you to kill others. It dosnt make sense to make death so much painful than CS but killing just as painless as in CS, there are consequences to death, there will be consequences to killing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to kil in 0.0+
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.17 22:18:00 - [69] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 17/09/2005 22:18:58 Someone pointed this out and I don't know why it's so hard to understand and grasp. DON'T POD KILL PEOPLE! YOU WONT FALL SO FAST! Why is it you're podding people in the first place then comming on here whinning and crying? There is no reason to pod newbie players in the first place unless you seem to think bragging that you have 1801081018 corpses of easy kills means something? Might as well rename yourself to "Ginger II". Sure it sucks the whole 750K nerf came to quickly for you to actually umm get it back to standard but then again a lot of people knew about it and went 750k hunting before the patch. None the less, stop whinning and stop crying about being a pirate or whatever it is you are. You took the loss now deal with it. You all have new options to deal with your security status. You don't need to go into empire unless you need to buy a battleship. Everything else can be carried to you with the new REPACKAGE options. Stop killing haulers and let them sell ships. Use your head. Which I know for the most part is difficult for you Mang0o -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.17 22:28:00 - [70] People who say dont pod kill: obviously you've never pvped, that's the best part guys. :P Also can someone explain how the diplomacy skill works, because grant told me that the raised standing with a corp, concord in this case does not make a difference to the system sec you can enter... --
Dezzyb0y	Posted - 2005.09.18 06:22:00 - [71] Go do complexes, you get 0.8% increases in there. ----------------------- K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 dama
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:31:00 - [72] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 18/09/2005 17:38:15 Originally by: Shinnen People who say dont pod kill: obviously you've never pvped, that's the best part guys. :P Also can someone explain how the diplomacy skill works, because grant told me that the raised standing with a corp, concord in this case does not make a difference to the system sec you can enter... Ok another ignorant statement. There is a big diffrence than podding someone a month old and someone who you know that fights and actually is someone. Why in the world do you want some corpse from some kid in a indy. What does that corpse mean? That you can pvp? That you're a Pirate? News flash for you... People who don't fight back that totaly die within 5 seconds of engagement is not really Player vs Player. That is why most people who PvP are in a war or 0.0 ect. If you don't get that, then my friend you obviously don't PvP. You can't learn how to defend or fight by fighting people who can't fight. Hence also why it's not real pvp. Pirating is about isk and getting isk. To a Pirate Corpses are worth no isk unless it happens to be bountied or implanted to hell from a real player for ransom. Should be no reason to pod kill 100% of the time unless you hapen to be a CS player. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Ok another ignorant statement. There is a big diffrence than podding someone a month old and someone who you know that fights and actually is someone. Why in the world do you want some corpse from some kid in a indy. What does that corpse mean? That you can pvp? That you're a Pirate? News flash for you... People who don't fight back that totaly die within 5 seconds of engagement is not really Player vs Player. That is why most people who PvP are in a war or 0.0 ect. If you don't get that, then my friend you obviously don't PvP. You can't learn how to defend or fight by fighting people who can't fight. Hence also why it's not real pvp. Pirating is about isk and getting isk. To a Pirate Corpses are worth no isk unless it happens to be bountied or implanted to hell from a real player for ransom. Should be no reason to pod kill 100% of the time unless you hapen to be a CS player. Just another point of view here. When I'm gate camping I do my best to pod people whenever I can (although I really suck at gatecamping). It's not to grief them, or to try to increase the size of my e-peen on killboards. It's to prevent them whining in local, warning other players about my presence and scaring off other 'customers'. So, pirating is about ISK, and I'm more likely to make it when I pod people. Sure, it isn't PvP, but I'll look for interesting PvP engagements when I can afford to. I think real PvP is actually quite a luxury for either skilled pirates, or rich pirates. If it's belt piracy and I'm lucky enough to grab their pod, I do my best to ransom the pod, and take my chances that they don't whine in local. If they whine after a ransom (not happened yet), I will move on. If they refuse to pay, or log (still don't get why they do that), I pod them.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:57:00 - [74] erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:59:00 - [75] Well don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say "Don't PodKill". If you got your reasons then you have your reasons. Just to the topic, if you're upset about your security status dropping so quickly or complaining about how low it is so quickly. Then stop Pod killing people all the time that mean nothing. From this post it seems that some people actually want to brag they have a corpse of some guy who prob is on a free trial and quit by the time I post this. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.09.18 23:32:00 - [76] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 18/09/2005 23:36:48 Originally by: Josline Don't change it back, but remove the 15 minute timer, that would balance it out I believe. yes... its insane to get back to normal sec status these days, plz do something, removing the timer would seem a decent solution, because the way it is now is really really bad. Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick no this is simply not true, it takes weeks of fanatic grinding! I mean some good effort to get back to normal sec is fine with me but the way it is now is just plain stupidity.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.19 02:09:00 - [77] wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Yakti	Posted - 2005.09.19 20:11:00 - [78] Ikvar is a silly carebear! Pirates are uberdumb! And whiners!! Go off this forum and go pod some velators and stuff, bunch of idiots
Caia	Posted - 2005.09.20 06:44:00 - [79] You expect me to want Pirates to have an easy time getting their Sec rating up? Quote: And as for people who say "Do the crime, do the time". Consider these things. As long as a pirate is an outlaw he is doing time, not having access to empire systems is punishment enough. Its NOT punishment enough. They get to do as they please with no repercussions asside from the occasional Merc who's hired to harass them. If you don't want a bad sec rating, don't do bad things. If you have a bad sec rating and want to increase it, its time to pay your dues to society, and that's going to (and should) take a while.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.20 08:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Espen Edited by: Espen on 16/09/2005 09:35:23 Originally by: Aotearorian As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0 Killing frigs and cruiser npc in empire... hmm, and that would take like 1-2 year or something? May be you did not notice that doing L 4 misisons in Empire increase you sec by 0.8 per battleship rat every 20 min? It is actially fastest way and in my opinion should be the only way. There a good logic into that - you want to do a crime - prepare connections with agents so you can decrease the time! :)
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:39:00 - [81] Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Lilan Kahn wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah geting +0.1% - +0.8% every 10-11 mins What kind of npc¦s are you killing, Jove officers? A 500k rat gives 0.07% and a 750k rat gives 0.08% increase without fast talk. If you are gonna raise to -1.9 from -10.0 then its not done very quick. And the timer is not 10-11min. I¦ve been npcing now the past 2 weeks and I have gained +3.0 sec, maybe npced 5-7 hours per day. The timer is reg 15min, sometimes you get a raise after 11-13min and sometimes it takes over 20min before you get a raise.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:54:00 - [82] Originally by: JoKane Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Lilan Kahn wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah geting +0.1% - +0.8% every 10-11 mins What kind of npc¦s are you killing, Jove officers? A 500k rat gives 0.07% and a 750k rat gives 0.08% increase without fast talk. If you are gonna raise to -1.9 from -10.0 then its not done very quick. And the timer is not 10-11min. I¦ve been npcing now the past 2 weeks and I have gained +3.0 sec, maybe npced 5-7 hours per day. The timer is reg 15min, sometimes you get a raise after 11-13min and sometimes it takes over 20min before you get a raise. 400k mission rats give 0.8% increases.
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.20 10:19:00 - [83] Cry me a river Griefing s*head. To all you griefers: You do the crime you do the time. Now. To all you who compare this issue to RL and say that we should welcome griefers in empire with open hands. In RL you kill a person you go away for 25-life depending on how good your lia...um lawyer is you can get less. So that's about 1/3 of your lifetime behind bars for commiting a murder. Here in EVE you get a minor security hit if you murder and ruin one person's day by ganking an unsuspecting n00b / carebear / whoever. Thern you have to serve the "punishment". Well for podding one person you get a small sec hit that doesnt preclude you going anywhere. You're free to go wherever you desire. In RL you get arrested and go to jail. No more strolling down the streets. If you pod a few pilots then the sec hits become more painful and you cant enter 1.0 anymore. F* that, send an alt to go shopping you pu*es. In RL you will NEVER see daylight again if you are proven to be guilty on multiple accounts of murder ONE what podding essentially is. So in eve they lock you out of only a few in a myriad of systems. So dont come crying down like a sissy girl covered in blood crying "i cannot gank in Yulai anymore." Bu hu hu. For those with -10 standing that want to "make up". You are as evil as can get and everyone with lower than -5 security is past redemption as far as im concerned. You should be banned from eve. Go di around to Everquest 2 or some other lame ass MMORPG and take on those macro robbers if you're such a humanitarian. If you get caught and you're proven to be guilty of a few 10 murder ONE any decent court should hang you out on display for people to beat up on you for a couply of years so you pay for your crimes. To sum it up. Griefers with -10 standings should be left on that standing permanently.If not that harsh. IN NO WAY should coming back from horrible standing be made easier. Actually you should get a penalty to standing increase because the CONCORD HATES you and would rather see you dead than alive and well. Im in Ammold come and gank me if your standing allows you. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is an alt char to all you whiners who want to start yelling "alt alt alt"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:06:00 - [84] Nice balanced view there Playah. We all know blowing up pixels equates to RL murder
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 12:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Deja Thoris 400k mission rats give 0.8% increases. Yea I know, I was only takling about the regular npc which I belive Lilan was refering to also. And Playah, you do realise that its beacuse if ppl like you who drop stupid post like that there is alot of greifers. Nothing can be compared to good smack from a angry miner. But anyways, ranting on the forums is just silly so here¦s a little step by step guide that I think even you can manage to follow that will improve other players forum experince alot. 1. Look at the back of your keybord, there you will see a cord sticking out from it. 2. Follow the cord all the way to the end. 3. Now if you have done step 2 right you should be looking at the back of your computer. 4. Take the cord in any hand you feel comfortable with in a firm grip and pull it straight out of the computer. Congratulations, you have now successfully unpluged your keybord! I advice you to keep it unpluged in the future to prevent you to make stupid comment and look like a moron.
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.20 13:16:00 - [86] Originally by: Playah Cry me a river Griefing s*head. To all you griefers: You do the crime you do the time. Now. To all you who compare this issue to RL and say that we should welcome griefers in empire with open hands. In RL you kill a person you go away for 25-life depending on how good your lia...um lawyer is you can get less. So that's about 1/3 of your lifetime behind bars for commiting a murder. Here in EVE you get a minor security hit if you murder and ruin one person's day by ganking an unsuspecting n00b / carebear / whoever. Thern you have to serve the "punishment". Well for podding one person you get a small sec hit that doesnt preclude you going anywhere. You're free to go wherever you desire. In RL you get arrested and go to jail. No more strolling down the streets. If you pod a few pilots then the sec hits become more painful and you cant enter 1.0 anymore. F* that, send an alt to go shopping you pu*es. In RL you will NEVER see daylight again if you are proven to be guilty on multiple accounts of murder ONE what podding essentially is. So in eve they lock you out of only a few in a myriad of systems. So dont come crying down like a sissy girl covered in blood crying "i cannot gank in Yulai anymore." Bu hu hu. For those with -10 standing that want to "make up". You are as evil as can get and everyone with lower than -5 security is past redemption as far as im concerned. You should be banned from eve. Go di around to Everquest 2 or some other lame ass MMORPG and take on those macro robbers if you're such a humanitarian. If you get caught and you're proven to be guilty of a few 10 murder ONE any decent court should hang you out on display for people to beat up on you for a couply of years so you pay for your crimes. To sum it up. Griefers with -10 standings should be left on that standing permanently.If not that harsh. IN NO WAY should coming back from horrible standing be made easier. Actually you should get a penalty to standing increase because the CONCORD HATES you and would rather see you dead than alive and well. Im in Ammold come and gank me if your standing allows you. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is an alt char to all you whiners who want to start yelling "alt alt alt" Well done but why shud we be banned from eve just because we are -10...just because ur a carebear that mines veldspar everyday and mine whole belts out...maybe u should be banned for stripping belts clear......one more thing killing a pod is 5% sec loss...whereas killing an npc bs is liek 0.08% increase...now think about it u tard before u post rediculous comments...its only a game...nobody is bieng killed in RL bcos of it so stop YOUR whining... posting with an alt character 4tl....oh wait you just dont want to get ganked by one of us pirates...lame.... go back to your asteroids and dont think about us pirates...your not a pirate so why wud unnerfing 750k rats matter to u....uve probably not even seen higher than 40k rats.....cya around
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.20 14:13:00 - [87] theres no need to change any thing, im sorry but im gaining +0.3-0,5 sec a day (with a high sec low means you go up alot faster) please get a grip oh and dont give me bs abut dont knowing jack abut -10 sec kthx Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 15:00:00 - [88] Change what and who is saying that you know jack **** about beeing -10?
DeathSpawn66	Posted - 2005.09.20 15:59:00 - [89] Edited by: DeathSpawn66 on 20/09/2005 16:00:43 I love when the people all come into this thread and say do the crime do the time. It gives me more targets :-) I honestly don't mind my -9.5, -8.8 ratings on my characters. I think if u want to become good again the system is a little out of sorts but I doubt ccp will ever change it. Only thing I miss is the ability to go to 1.0 and have an empire war. The whole alt shopper thing is a bit annoying too, and being shot at by anyone, and being limited to any system, and having ccp never give us our **** back when something goes wrong in the game because of what we do, and so on and so on. My ceo was like -10.0 before and now he's -3.3 so obviously it can't be that bad, just a long experience. I've already gotten my sec up 2 times now and it got really boring, so then I got it back down, and that got boring. Then people say it's ghey I don't do 0.0 work, I don't see why .4 pirating get's less respect then 0.0 pirating. I think .4 is way more difficult and dangerous. In .4 I get shot anywhere I shoot someone and I can still be attacked anywhere by anyone, in 0.0 at least I can shoot you first and not have to tank sentries. So when I take out your battleship in gonditsa I don't want to fekkin' hear it. (Edit....man I ramble alot, cut back some of the crap I just said) -The Loveable Nub
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.20 17:57:00 - [90] Edited by: sesanti on 20/09/2005 17:59:24 To all of u who say "Do the crime, serve the time" or whatever, tell me why did u come to EVE for? EVE is not a mining simulation. It's a space simulation. There plenty of places for mining and producing and trading safely in high sec. space, for all of u who don't want to risk getting killed by pirates. The rules of the game say that if u go to low sec. space, u can get killed, podded, and looted. Why do u go there in first place? Of course, pirating is penalized with the ban from high sec. systems, and it's all right. However, for what i see, the system to bring your sec. rating is unbalanced. Since it's only a game, it should be balanced so u can bring it up again fairly quickly. I don't see why u DO care so much that pirates don't get the sec. rating up, or that they should be banned from the game if they pass certain negative value. Pirates are part of the game, just as miners, researches, traders, manufacturers. And CCP wants it that way and devised it that way. EVE is a non-consentual PVP game if u go in low sec. areas, then if ur bothered by it, why go? Stay in high sec, u can still play the game as well. The system is not perfect, but is great. However, there are some areas for improvement (as in everything) and if someone points out things that look unbalanced, people shouldn't get flamed for it. What is the point of opposing a "supposed" change (after all, CCP is not going to unerf those 700k rats just because of this thread)? Nothing changes at all... Pirates will continue attacking u in low sec. systems, with or without the change. U will continue to lose ships, and cargo, and implants, and your time and whatever, just like it happens now. The only thing that will get fixed is to give those pirate players who want to, the chance to go back to high sec. areas, and try another different career. After all, being just a game, u shouldn't need to spend weeks trying to go back to the rating needed to enter high sec. space. And since nothing will change at all for carebears, then why take it on pirates for your anger or dissappointment at losing your ship in low space? When in the first place, u should know u are paying a monthly fee in a non-consentual PVP game and entering willingly in an area where it's within the rules that anyone can attack u and kill u? What's the point in dissapproving that change? ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>

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