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Mang0o	Posted - 2005.09.15 15:40:00 - [1] Quote: Plz unnerf the 750k rats.. Was okej that you change the time to 15min after killing in Empire.. it was okej that you put up sentry guns in 0.4 - 0.1 (old stuff), im all up for that.. BUT NOW WE CANT EVEN NPC OUR SEC DOWN?.. damnit...im told it takes uber long time to npc down the sec status from -10 to -1.9.. :/ Eve will suck after the guy thats -10.0 never kill noobs in empier becouse the npcing takes 9weeks not 1week.. Only me
Josline	Posted - 2005.09.15 15:42:00 - [2] Don't change it back, but remove the 15 minute timer, that would balance it out I believe.
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.15 15:57:00 - [3] Quote: im told it takes uber long time to npc up the sec status from -10 to -1.9 It takes a long time to work your way back up from -10.0? Dang? Isn't it supposed to be like that? You could always pod less. 9 weeks is a lot, but what's that estimate based on,anyways? -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
emptydude	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Josline Don't change it back, but remove the 15 minute timer, that would balance it out I believe. i think they already have, i've got sec increases every 10-11 mins before, not sure about everyone else..... maybe it was just lag. --------
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:07:00 - [5] If you can't do the time don't do the crime.... or more easily understood tough st. ---------------------------------------------- Director Octavian Vanguard We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.**
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 15/09/2005 16:19:15 Originally by: emptydude Originally by: Josline Don't change it back, but remove the 15 minute timer, that would balance it out I believe. i think they already have, i've got sec increases every 10-11 mins before, not sure about everyone else..... maybe it was just lag. It was 10+ minutes before, not 15 mins. Edit: Ok, re-read your post, dunno what you ment.. :D
Malken	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:33:00 - [7] yep it sucks! royally. it takes ages to get back anywhere near -1.9 the last 3 days ive been on -2.1 and still is at -2.1 and its getting annoying. unnerf the 750ks or make a podkill and ship kill be just as crappy in sechits as npc sec boost is. "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it." [Lin
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:40:00 - [8] Just make the sec increase per rat instant, and increase the sec gain per rat. Im trying to reform and as Mang0o said, its no fun hardcore npcing for weeks so that i can go back to empire. CCP have seriously messed it up, big time I vote that we go for a hotfix sometime this week --
dailyhazard	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:44:00 - [9] it does suck ass, although mines going steadily up with not must of a effort, either increase the freaking sec increases or chuck the 15 mins timer, i dont care which one ^^ ------------------------------------------------
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:45:00 - [10] Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase.
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:47:00 - [11] Edited by: Shinnen on 15/09/2005 16:49:21 Originally by: Deja Thoris Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase. Right, a) a pirate usually doesnt carebear, so we wont be able to use agents above say lvl 2, sometimes even lvl 1. b) most lvl 4 pirates are based in high sec and if our statuses are below 5, we arent allowed there. So that's basically a no go for the majority of people When you said 0.8% im presuming you mean 0.08% Plus, just killing one BS every 15mins (keeping 2 spawns alive) can get my sec up by 0.08% too, so that's not that great seeing as lvl 4s take much longer to complete. --
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: Deja Thoris Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase. Right, a) a pirate usually doesnt carebear, so we wont be able to use agents above say lvl 2, sometimes even lvl 1. b) most lvl 4 pirates are based in high sec and if our statuses are below 5, we arent allowed there. So that's basically a no go for the majority of people You can find plenty of lvl 4 agents in low sec.
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka You can find plenty of lvl 4 agents in low sec. k, well i didnt see any where I live. --
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:02:00 - [14] Unnerf pirating.
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:08:00 - [15] What if they changed it so that you got a sec change per rat? Even if it was a relatively small sec change? I know that they probably made people wait to avoid uber players say doing a level 10 and getting a huge sec increase. But surely there must be some way they can reasonably make the sec change per rat you kill without the system being unbalanced to much stronger pirates. And as for people who say "Do the crime, do the time". Consider these things. As long as a pirate is an outlaw he is doing time, not having access to empire systems is punishment enough. Taking a parallel from real life, this would be like organizing a penal system where not only are criminals removed from society, but to reenter they have to fight crime and not just take time to rehabilitate (or whatever the term is). From an RP perspective for every innocent capsuleer a pirate kills, he has to kill about 50 rats, on top of being outlawed, a bit harsh don't you think? Also, "do the crime, do the time", well does this imply that if they simply wait and behave themselves, their sec should go up automatically? At the moment the fastest and most reliable way to increase your sec, as I understand it, is to gank a 750K rat, wait 15 minutes, repeat. This doesn't take into account officer spawns. From a gameplay point of view this system is very poor and involves more waiting than playing. It seems that raising your sec, provided you have access to high-end NPCs, requires patience more than anything else. CCP needs to look at this, if for no other reason than to make the gameplay more dynamic. Another gameplay element that really has to be taken into account is piracy amongst new players. When I was a new player, I desperately wanted to pirate, I had the means, but I just simply couldn't cope with the sec loss and no means to raise it. I couldn't support myself in low sec space. As mentioned earlier, sec increases favour powerful players considerably. Completely isolating new players from this aspect of the game, whilst keeping all the other career paths open, just isn't good gameplay. From my perspective, I'm a -4.9 pirate. PvP is how I make my money and it is the only way I make my money. I'm about to become an outlaw but I knew the consequences when I podded all of those people. I have a shopping alt that makes regular trips to Yulai and I buy my cheap cruisers in low sec. It's the most fun I've ever had playing EVE. However, it almost completely cuts me off from any other possibilities, and I don't want to join an alliance, because I loathe that aspect of playing the game. So, when I have retirement in mind, or just feel like raising my sec status, I've got a retirement fund, which I will use to buy a HAC (when I have the skills in about 1-2months) and take it into deep 0.0 with my hauling alt, and gank NPCs for about 2 weeks. It won't be fun but it will be necessary.
Thnikkaman	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:13:00 - [16] You chose to go so far down. You could have stopped at -2.0 and got it up from there, and then pirate back to -2.0. Instead you went all the way to -10 and now you're moaning? You knew the consequences so live with them. You talk about carebears? Well you're the pirate version of a carebear, you should try pirating in 0.0, there are plenty of miners there, and i'm sure theyre a lot richer. _____________________________________________/ Here comes the Thnikkaman! Yeah! Shut up kid!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 15/09/2005 16:49:21 Originally by: Deja Thoris Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase. Right, a) a pirate usually doesnt carebear, so we wont be able to use agents above say lvl 2, sometimes even lvl 1. b) most lvl 4 pirates are based in high sec and if our statuses are below 5, we arent allowed there. So that's basically a no go for the majority of people When you said 0.8% im presuming you mean 0.08% Plus, just killing one BS every 15mins (keeping 2 spawns alive) can get my sec up by 0.08% too, so that's not that great seeing as lvl 4s take much longer to complete. No, when i say 0.8% i MEAN 0.8% not 0.08% or 0.008% or 3 or 7 or 31 but 0.8% So you can either work your standings up with an agent or wallow in self pity shooting rats in belts for a pitiful sec increase. Your choice.
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:18:00 - [18] what's done is done, now we're begging for a way to undo it --
Tinweasel	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:18:00 - [19] /me laffs and points at the pie rats that cant gank teh ibis o doom constantly.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:19:00 - [20] I dont know why I even bother. I give the definitive "fastest" way and someone still posts ""At the moment the fastest and most reliable way to increase your sec, as I understand it, is to gank a 750K rat, wait 15 minutes"" Jesus Christ, learn to read.
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Thnikkaman You chose to go so far down. You could have stopped at -2.0 and got it up from there, and then pirate back to -2.0. Instead you went all the way to -10 and now you're moaning? You knew the consequences so live with them. You talk about carebears? Well you're the pirate version of a carebear, you should try pirating in 0.0, there are plenty of miners there, and i'm sure theyre a lot richer. In answer to your post, I am not moaning. You may want to read my post more carefully. Originally by: Mardonius From my perspective, I'm a -4.9 pirate. PvP is how I make my money and it is the only way I make my money. I'm about to become an outlaw but I knew the consequences when I podded all of those people. If you were addressing Mangoo I have seem some of his videos and he is no stranger to 0.0 Your post is a bit unclear as to what particular aspect of the topic you are adressing, or indeed who you are replying to. Also, hurling abuse at people calling them carebears isn't the best way to get your point across, nor does it reflect to well on you.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:25:00 - [22] I like being an outlaw. I for one don't care about the 750k nerf as I have no want to get back to high sec. Originally by: James Lyrus Complaining about PvP & Pirates in EVE is like complaining about the mines in minesweeper.
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont know why I even bother. I give the definitive "fastest" way and someone still posts ""At the moment the fastest and most reliable way to increase your sec, as I understand it, is to gank a 750K rat, wait 15 minutes"" Jesus Christ, learn to read. I did read your post. I just didn't believe you. Also somebody already mentioned that level 4 missions take more time and effort, whereas burying yourself in 0.0, if done properly is safe, and very fast. I also believed that you where mistaken with the security status increase. Also, if you look at my post, you will see a grammatical quantifier "as I understand it", what this does is expresses my personal knowledge or opinion, but doesn't suggest that I am in anyway correct. I am just explaining my point of view If you are correct, then fair enough. However, there is no "definitive" way for a sec status increase and it all depends on the player and the players circumstances, so posting all the possibilities is benenficial for everyone. Originally by: Deja Thoris Jesus Christ, learn to read. Is that sort of comment really necessary?
TekRa	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:26:00 - [24] so you want to be a big, bad pirate one week? killing all those haulers and pods, and looking mean with that -10? then you want to go to 1.0 the next to mine veld? live with the consequences of your actions. if anyone wants to be an outlaw then they should have to live the outlaws life. not pick and choose when it suits. nb- it doesn't take too long to get to a respectable level anyway. _____________________________________ "hello"
TekRa	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:28:00 - [25] so you want to be a big, bad pirate one week? killing all those haulers and pods, and looking mean with that -10? then you want to go to 1.0 the next to mine veld? live with the consequences of your actions. if anyone wants to be an outlaw then they should have to live the outlaws life. not pick and choose when it suits. nb- it doesn't take too long to get to a respectable level anyway. _____________________________________ "hello"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Mardonius Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont know why I even bother. I give the definitive "fastest" way and someone still posts ""At the moment the fastest and most reliable way to increase your sec, as I understand it, is to gank a 750K rat, wait 15 minutes"" Jesus Christ, learn to read. I did read your post. I just didn't believe you. Also somebody already mentioned that level 4 missions take more time and effort, whereas burying yourself in 0.0, if done properly is safe, and very fast. I also believed that you where mistaken with the security status increase. Also, if you look at my post, you will see a grammatical quantifier "as I understand it", what this does is expresses my personal knowledge or opinion, but doesn't suggest that I am in anyway correct. I am just explaining my point of view If you are correct, then fair enough. However, there is no "definitive" way for a sec status increase and it all depends on the player and the players circumstances, so posting all the possibilities is benenficial for everyone. Originally by: Deja Thoris Jesus Christ, learn to read. Is that sort of comment really necessary? I increased my sec by over 4pts in a week. If you have access to lvl4 agents then whoring them for a week is hands down the fastest way. The vengeance mission has 6x400k rats on it. If you take your time with the mission you can get 6x0.8% increases. A 750k rat gives you 0.2% now. 90 minutes on vengeance to 4.8% equates to 360 minutes of ratting in 0.0 Add to this there are some systems with 3 or even 4 level 4 agents you can cherry pick to ensure you are always getting the best missions for sec increases. Ur right, my comment was not necc and I apologise btw
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont know why I even bother. I give the definitive "fastest" way and someone still posts ""At the moment the fastest and most reliable way to increase your sec, as I understand it, is to gank a 750K rat, wait 15 minutes"" Jesus Christ, learn to read. no need to address Jesus, seeing as he isnt around Anyway, this wasnt a "what's the fastest way to get sec stat back up?" thread It's an "unnerf pirating" thread... duh so we're moaning at CCP to give us back our precious sec stat. moan moan moan moan.... --
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Deja Thoris Ur right, my comment was not necc and I apologise btw No problemo Originally by: Deja Thoris I increased my sec by over 4pts in a week. If you have access to lvl4 agents then whoring them for a week is hands down the fastest way. The vengeance mission has 6x400k rats on it. If you take your time with the mission you can get 6x0.8% increases. A 750k rat gives you 0.2% now. 90 minutes on vengeance to 4.8% equates to 360 minutes of ratting in 0.0 Add to this there are some systems with 3 or even 4 level 4 agents you can cherry pick to ensure you are always getting the best missions for sec increases. Good to know. That probably is the quickest way to increase sec status, provided you are able. Thanks for the info, you may have just changed my retirement plan.
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Shinnen no need to address Jesus, seeing as he isnt around Blasphemy! Originally by: Shinnen Anyway, this wasnt a "what's the fastest way to get sec stat back up?" thread It's an "unnerf pirating" thread... duh so we're moaning at CCP to give us back our precious sec stat. moan moan moan moan.... If you read Mangoo's post, he is complaining about the time that it takes to raise your security status by killing NPC rats. Deja Thoris's posts have addressed the fact that raising your sec status need not take too long, if done in a certain way. This thread is about the security status increases given by NPC rats, and their effect on piracy, rehabilitation and raising your security status. Deja Thoris' posts are highly relevant to this topic.
Chaz Pounder	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:59:00 - [30] Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 15/09/2005 18:00:23 havent read thrugh it all soo .... but imo, I who at rock bottom -10, have this opinion now. I just kill all i see its really not worth all that trubbel just to be ligit agn .. so Noob or not your still gone die coss I can kill you without geting lower then -10, have nada to lose. I was b4 the 750k nurf actually with Mr liu and worked my way to -8.9 yes its true ask him. then the nurf came.
sirbest	Posted - 2005.09.15 18:13:00 - [31] Sounds like a wine fest to me.. lets all cry
Tekka	Posted - 2005.09.15 18:44:00 - [32] Look at my sec 2 weeks ago Ive was around -7 and I havent even been playing that much due to school Dark Cartel Website
Cuebick	Posted - 2005.09.15 19:24:00 - [33] Oh, so you bacame an outlaw but the fun ended when you realized that you have to pay for what you've done.. so sorry ____________________________________
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.09.15 20:14:00 - [34] If im painting you with the same brush as the lame asses who generally havent got the balls to pirate in 0.0 then I i'm sorry..... oh no... in fact I was right the first time I really don't give a st. I have more respect for someone like Ifni, he has been a pirate since the old JQA days when hunting and podding him in eza/m2 was a sport. He is now someone I seriously watch out for as he plies his nasty assed trade in 0.0 where people with real pirating balls fly. Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. They don't pirate as an RP based career, they are quake in spacers who just deserve the sec hit and should live with it and stop whining. ---------------------------------------------- Director Octavian Vanguard We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.**
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.15 20:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Heptameron If im painting you with the same brush as the lame asses who generally havent got the balls to pirate in 0.0 then I i'm sorry..... oh no... in fact I was right the first time I really don't give a st. I you don't care then why bother posting? Originally by:** Heptameron Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. They don't pirate as an RP based career, they are quake in spacers who just deserve the sec hit and should live with it and stop whining. I try to RP my pirate main, but I'm still getting used to it and figuring out exactly what character I want to RP. Pirating is the ONLY thing I do. I don't jump in a Covetor and mine arkonor when I get low on cash, I don't get my corp together and do complex runs. I operate in low-sec. I prey on unsuspecting NPCers, complex runners and miners. Why? To profit from their deaths. I even assist in gate camps when I'm low on cash. To be honest, I don't care about how much respect you give me. Piracy is a profession like any other. I'm in it to make a living. I don't care about honour or sport. I honour ransoms because it's better for business, I also hate breaking promises. I destroy and ships and ransom players because it pays the bills. Sure 0.0 piracy is harder, and the rewards are better, but so are the risks. I am not strong enough to take on big time pirates and alliance blob fleets but there is nothing wrong with that. To assert that 0.0 pirates have more balls seems like mere machismo and egotism to me. They are just different ways of operating and both are valid game mechanics. Yes, I know that as a result I will take a sec hit for my actions in low-sec. I am prepared for the consequences.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.09.15 21:48:00 - [36] I was a pirate for around 4 months (-10) and after leaving that career behind wanted to try something different. Now i dont agree with people going from outlaw to yulai in a few days willy nilly. But its abit rediculious with the current system, i mean of many players want to spend 1-2 months subscription npcing? For the record i have been npcing on and off for 2 weeks and have gone from -9.9 to -8.5 O well back to the belts....
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.09.15 22:13:00 - [37] 750K rats have been replaced by complex overseers. Kill those and you'll see your sec rating jump up much faster. The only issue: you'll have to compete for them.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2005.09.15 22:24:00 - [38] Originally by: "Mardonius" Sure 0.0 piracy is harder, and the rewards are better, but so are the risks. The rewards for piracey are greater in empire when compared to 0.0, the reason i play in 0.0 most of the time, is its more fun. BTW sec is easier to drop now than before, i believe 1.5mil npc bs give over 0.4% The old system where as you get +0.1 per day was alot better, it meant that pvpers didnt have to **** around with npc content. I got my sec status up, it took a week or so, i spent a few months that way and couldnt wait to get it back to -10, the game is alot more fun being -10 -10 ftw
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.09.15 23:04:00 - [39] If you are NPC'ing Guristas, then Conqs and Usurpers give a good sec hit :)
Layrex	Posted - 2005.09.15 23:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Heptameron If you can't do the time don't do the crime.... or more easily understood tough s**t. ------------------------------
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.09.16 02:37:00 - [41] I called the Waaaambulance for you. ~Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.09.16 03:00:00 - [42] Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.09.16 03:28:00 - [43] So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.16 05:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Ravenge Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one. If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved,
Thnikkaman	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Mardonius If you were addressing Mangoo I have seem some of his videos and he is no stranger to 0.0 Your post is a bit unclear as to what particular aspect of the topic you are adressing, or indeed who you are replying to. Also, hurling abuse at people calling them carebears isn't the best way to get your point across, nor does it reflect to well on you. I clearly said -10. Why would you think I was refering to you? Please read my post more carefully. While on the subject of reading more carefully, I said "You talk about carebears?" It was pretty damn obvious who I was talking to, there was absolutly no reason for your reply to me. I wasn't "hurling abuse" at anyone, and if you even find the word carebear offensive you need help. _____________________________________________/ Here comes the Thnikkaman! Yeah! Shut up kid!
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:38:00 - [46] As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0
The Hanz	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 15/09/2005 16:49:21 Originally by: Deja Thoris Do lvl 4 missions. The 400k (ex 750k rats) give 0.8% increase. Right, a) a pirate usually doesnt carebear, so we wont be able to use agents above say lvl 2, sometimes even lvl 1. b) most lvl 4 pirates are based in high sec and if our statuses are below 5, we arent allowed there. So that's basically a no go for the majority of people When you said 0.8% im presuming you mean 0.08% Plus, just killing one BS every 15mins (keeping 2 spawns alive) can get my sec up by 0.08% too, so that's not that great seeing as lvl 4s take much longer to complete. No, when i say 0.8% i MEAN 0.8% not 0.08% or 0.008% or 3 or 7 or 31 but 0.8% So you can either work your standings up with an agent or wallow in self pity shooting rats in belts for a pitiful sec increase. Your choice. Damn you, it was probably a typo, now they will fix it now Deja, you have screwed it for us all!
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Thnikkaman Originally by: Mardonius If you were addressing Mangoo I have seem some of his videos and he is no stranger to 0.0 Your post is a bit unclear as to what particular aspect of the topic you are adressing, or indeed who you are replying to. Also, hurling abuse at people calling them carebears isn't the best way to get your point across, nor does it reflect to well on you. I clearly said -10. Why would you think I was refering to you? Please read my post more carefully. While on the subject of reading more carefully, I said "You talk about carebears?" It was pretty damn obvious who I was talking to, there was absolutly no reason for your reply to me. I wasn't "hurling abuse" at anyone, and if you even find the word carebear offensive you need help. Apologies
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.09.16 07:57:00 - [49] Please make this clear :- If i kill 1 400k lvl4 rat, wait 10 mins, and then kill another, i will get a 0.8% increase from each one? If i kill 2 in the space of 10 mins, i just get an increase from 1 rat? Sorry but im finding this a bit hard to believe, but ill be chuffed if its true, havent been +sec for 6-7 months \o/
maximyus	Posted - 2005.09.16 08:02:00 - [50] Yeah great idea........You know what will happen they will nerf something ever time you lot (and its always the same people)You spend a year whinning about something and when ccp finally listen they go over board if none of you whined they there would be no nerfs in the first place. And it only takes 2 weeks to get from -4.5 to -1.4 (where u can go anywhere) so if you are -10 it will take u a month and think of all the pennys u will make :)
PAPA	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:13:00 - [51] Edited by: PAPA on 16/09/2005 09:13:52 Look ill make it easy for the hard of thinking out there. when pirates have a chance to regain their sec rating,they were more picky as its not wurth the hit for small stuff, So bs and fat indys get it frig sept crs live,and no podding But if you cant, you are gona hit -10 at some point so why not go for it. So now every thing get killed and podded,we would never dare pod coz of the sec hit but now O and Thnikkaman or wot ever your name is...GET A CLUE Mang0o works and has lived in the most hostle 0.0 places in EVE. YOU NUBBIT
Espen	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:35:00 - [52] Edited by: Espen on 16/09/2005 09:35:23 Originally by: Aotearorian As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0 Killing frigs and cruiser npc in empire... hmm, and that would take like 1-2 year or something?
Ja'kar	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:43:00 - [53] If you can't do the time don't do the crime.... or more easily understood tough s**t. yeah well 15min timer per kils is not right-
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:29:00 - [54] Why is the sec hit so high if u blow some1's ship up yet u have to kill like 2 or 3 npc npc bs in order to get it back...atleast take the timer off or increase the sec status gain when killing an npc......they talk about balancing the game...npc'ing isnt balanced at all. it takes u about 1 mins to get a -5.0% sec hit by killing a pod but only a 0.8% gain for killing an npc bs every 10 mins...now that aint balanced....sort it out!
HighPoint	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Heptameron Those sitting in empire complex gates, .4 roid belts hitting haulers and miners for kicks get about as much respect as the doodoo i wipe from the bottom of my shoes after walking through a field full of cow pat. Now this made me actually laugh ....,funny hahaha .... All the rest of the whining here makes me cry
Hebus Zanheros	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 15/09/2005 15:47:47 Quote: Plz unnerf the 750k rats.. Was okej that you change the time to 15min after killing in Empire.. it was okej that you put up sentry guns in 0.4 - 0.1 (old stuff), im all up for that.. BUT NOW WE CANT EVEN NPC OUR SEC UP?.. damnit...im told it takes uber long time to npc up the sec status from -10 to -1.9.. :/ Eve will suck after the guy thats -10.0 never kill noobs in empier becouse the npcing takes 9weeks not 1week.. Only me Killing people is your choice assume your security status ! ;) have fun Mang0o. -----------------------------------------------
poisoner orbius	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:50:00 - [57] I used to be -10 for a long time, now working on raising my ss . If you kill 1 750k rat in 15 minutes it will really take you 3 months, finding better spawns (dual etc.) and chaining them on few belts at the same time works pretty fine for me.. all that crying about unnerfing 750k rats just makes me laugh... I used to kill a lot of ppl in empire now it's time to pay my debts
Jean	Posted - 2005.09.16 12:09:00 - [58] Edited by: Jean on 16/09/2005 12:08:57 Stop farkin whining abt havinz to "DO MORE THAN TEH TIME" Meh lubz PvP, butt not being a pierat I havz to run plexus or beltrat to make iskiez to buy boatz. I dont take sechitz cuz im a murc... So y in farkin 'ell shouldn't pierats hav tu endure teh same ****e azz us empire pvpers du, eh?! ----------------------------- Specialist in Digital Analogy
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.09.16 12:32:00 - [59] Originally by: Mardonius If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved, I'm sorry, the reason for you post was? Oh to clutter up the thread.. And yes, pirates have to do time to clean up there sec status. It simple falls to this, you want to gank someone by gate camping, attacking low sec miners and so on, you must expect that there is a price to pay. Yet, no this isn't the way you want it. Now, the whole of the piracy needs an overhaul as many aspects of it is far too easy. I.E gate camping with snipers. So to balance it out, you now have to work to clear your name. (and for the record, the 750k BS sec gain.. was borked.. it wasn't nerfed just fixed.)
Sarduk Larish	Posted - 2005.09.16 13:00:00 - [60] I still think you should have to do community service instead of NPC hunting to counter a negative sec.Get all you ebil rats mining veld for 2 weeks with no profit to atone for your sins But seriously, though i agree that the game mehcanics that affect piracy could use tweeking slightly in the pirates favour,rehabilitation is NOT the area that needs a boost. As was said, if you want a hi sec status, dont pirate.Simple as. This is a consequence of piracy, just as death is so often the consiquence of un un-prepaired carebear wandering into low sec.Accept responisibility for your actions. Adapt or die to the 750k rat nerf _______________________________________________ This dose of neutrality and reason brought to you by Khanid Krunch (2% Vitoc)-The only way to start your day.If your hungry in the morning reach for KK
Elaine Marley	Posted - 2005.09.16 13:52:00 - [61] Edited by: Elaine Marley on 16/09/2005 13:52:47 The logic behind is really annoying in my eyes. I can be -10 in less then a day but i need 1-2 month hardcore NPCING the relations isnt there. But anyways who cares about sec stat? If you whine about it, dont shoot ppl. Podding Regards Elaine Marley Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control Veni, Vedi, Vici
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.16 14:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Mardonius Originally by: Ravenge Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one. If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved, So you have to gank, eh? "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
Drunk Driver	Posted - 2005.09.16 16:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 15/09/2005 15:47:47 Quote: Plz unnerf the 750k rats.. Was okej that you change the time to 15min after killing in Empire.. it was okej that you put up sentry guns in 0.4 - 0.1 (old stuff), im all up for that.. BUT NOW WE CANT EVEN NPC OUR SEC UP?.. damnit...im told it takes uber long time to npc up the sec status from -10 to -1.9.. :/ Eve will suck after the guy thats -10.0 never kill noobs in empier becouse the npcing takes 9weeks not 1week.. Only me I guess ganking all those folks in empire wasn't such a good idea was it? Looks like the system CCP has put in place to punish repeat gankers is working. Cool!
emptydude	Posted - 2005.09.16 17:50:00 - [64] looking back its not really a chore to get it back up... with diplomacy and all that you can be back in high sec quicker. think of the sec increase as a bonus to all the money your makin from doin it. --------
Killalord	Posted - 2005.09.16 19:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Jean Edited by: Jean on 16/09/2005 12:08:57 Stop farkin whining abt havinz to "DO MORE THAN TEH TIME" Meh lubz PvP, butt not being a pierat I havz to run plexus or beltrat to make iskiez to buy boatz. I dont take sechitz cuz im a murc... So y in farkin 'ell shouldn't pierats hav tu endure teh same ****e azz us empire pvpers du, eh?! learn to type ffs
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.09.16 20:16:00 - [66] I'm quite proud of my -10 standing with Concord. The only reason I kept it up before was because of the highway. Now it doesn't matter because I wasn't really going that far when they removed it. So why not just stay here and soak it up. At least the systems I work out of our extensivly bookmarked.
skitszo	Posted - 2005.09.16 20:21:00 - [67] anything to make pirates whine is OOO so good. cheers.
MWEI	Posted - 2005.09.17 19:48:00 - [68] Edited by: MWEI on 17/09/2005 19:49:13 The game's difference from CS or other space shooter is, it cost you real life time>money if you die. It would seems reasonable that it also cost you to kill others. It dosnt make sense to make death so much painful than CS but killing just as painless as in CS, there are consequences to death, there will be consequences to killing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to kil in 0.0+
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.17 22:18:00 - [69] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 17/09/2005 22:18:58 Someone pointed this out and I don't know why it's so hard to understand and grasp. DON'T POD KILL PEOPLE! YOU WONT FALL SO FAST! Why is it you're podding people in the first place then comming on here whinning and crying? There is no reason to pod newbie players in the first place unless you seem to think bragging that you have 1801081018 corpses of easy kills means something? Might as well rename yourself to "Ginger II". Sure it sucks the whole 750K nerf came to quickly for you to actually umm get it back to standard but then again a lot of people knew about it and went 750k hunting before the patch. None the less, stop whinning and stop crying about being a pirate or whatever it is you are. You took the loss now deal with it. You all have new options to deal with your security status. You don't need to go into empire unless you need to buy a battleship. Everything else can be carried to you with the new REPACKAGE options. Stop killing haulers and let them sell ships. Use your head. Which I know for the most part is difficult for you Mang0o -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.17 22:28:00 - [70] People who say dont pod kill: obviously you've never pvped, that's the best part guys. :P Also can someone explain how the diplomacy skill works, because grant told me that the raised standing with a corp, concord in this case does not make a difference to the system sec you can enter... --
Dezzyb0y	Posted - 2005.09.18 06:22:00 - [71] Go do complexes, you get 0.8% increases in there. ----------------------- K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 dama
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:31:00 - [72] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 18/09/2005 17:38:15 Originally by: Shinnen People who say dont pod kill: obviously you've never pvped, that's the best part guys. :P Also can someone explain how the diplomacy skill works, because grant told me that the raised standing with a corp, concord in this case does not make a difference to the system sec you can enter... Ok another ignorant statement. There is a big diffrence than podding someone a month old and someone who you know that fights and actually is someone. Why in the world do you want some corpse from some kid in a indy. What does that corpse mean? That you can pvp? That you're a Pirate? News flash for you... People who don't fight back that totaly die within 5 seconds of engagement is not really Player vs Player. That is why most people who PvP are in a war or 0.0 ect. If you don't get that, then my friend you obviously don't PvP. You can't learn how to defend or fight by fighting people who can't fight. Hence also why it's not real pvp. Pirating is about isk and getting isk. To a Pirate Corpses are worth no isk unless it happens to be bountied or implanted to hell from a real player for ransom. Should be no reason to pod kill 100% of the time unless you hapen to be a CS player. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Mardonius	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Ok another ignorant statement. There is a big diffrence than podding someone a month old and someone who you know that fights and actually is someone. Why in the world do you want some corpse from some kid in a indy. What does that corpse mean? That you can pvp? That you're a Pirate? News flash for you... People who don't fight back that totaly die within 5 seconds of engagement is not really Player vs Player. That is why most people who PvP are in a war or 0.0 ect. If you don't get that, then my friend you obviously don't PvP. You can't learn how to defend or fight by fighting people who can't fight. Hence also why it's not real pvp. Pirating is about isk and getting isk. To a Pirate Corpses are worth no isk unless it happens to be bountied or implanted to hell from a real player for ransom. Should be no reason to pod kill 100% of the time unless you hapen to be a CS player. Just another point of view here. When I'm gate camping I do my best to pod people whenever I can (although I really suck at gatecamping). It's not to grief them, or to try to increase the size of my e-peen on killboards. It's to prevent them whining in local, warning other players about my presence and scaring off other 'customers'. So, pirating is about ISK, and I'm more likely to make it when I pod people. Sure, it isn't PvP, but I'll look for interesting PvP engagements when I can afford to. I think real PvP is actually quite a luxury for either skilled pirates, or rich pirates. If it's belt piracy and I'm lucky enough to grab their pod, I do my best to ransom the pod, and take my chances that they don't whine in local. If they whine after a ransom (not happened yet), I will move on. If they refuse to pay, or log (still don't get why they do that), I pod them.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:57:00 - [74] erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.18 17:59:00 - [75] Well don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say "Don't PodKill". If you got your reasons then you have your reasons. Just to the topic, if you're upset about your security status dropping so quickly or complaining about how low it is so quickly. Then stop Pod killing people all the time that mean nothing. From this post it seems that some people actually want to brag they have a corpse of some guy who prob is on a free trial and quit by the time I post this. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.09.18 23:32:00 - [76] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 18/09/2005 23:36:48 Originally by: Josline Don't change it back, but remove the 15 minute timer, that would balance it out I believe. yes... its insane to get back to normal sec status these days, plz do something, removing the timer would seem a decent solution, because the way it is now is really really bad. Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick no this is simply not true, it takes weeks of fanatic grinding! I mean some good effort to get back to normal sec is fine with me but the way it is now is just plain stupidity.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.19 02:09:00 - [77] wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Yakti	Posted - 2005.09.19 20:11:00 - [78] Ikvar is a silly carebear! Pirates are uberdumb! And whiners!! Go off this forum and go pod some velators and stuff, bunch of idiots
Caia	Posted - 2005.09.20 06:44:00 - [79] You expect me to want Pirates to have an easy time getting their Sec rating up? Quote: And as for people who say "Do the crime, do the time". Consider these things. As long as a pirate is an outlaw he is doing time, not having access to empire systems is punishment enough. Its NOT punishment enough. They get to do as they please with no repercussions asside from the occasional Merc who's hired to harass them. If you don't want a bad sec rating, don't do bad things. If you have a bad sec rating and want to increase it, its time to pay your dues to society, and that's going to (and should) take a while.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.20 08:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Espen Edited by: Espen on 16/09/2005 09:35:23 Originally by: Aotearorian As I see, complains come from not understanding why security level exits. You get security hit for killing NPC, complex runnerÆs miners and hailers in low security. You kill there fun. Security rating guaranty that why killing there fun will have some consequences. Now you want to become a good citizen. Now, if that is easy to do, all folk you kill will say: we want an opportunity to kill you back why you are as venerable as we were when you kill as. That why you have to NPC in EMPIRE in order to get back security status. So, now I can kill you when you are not set up for p-p. From my point of view, killing rats in 0.0 should not give any security status raise at all. DonÆt you think that it is just fair that all your victims can kill you when you are as venerable as they were? If you do not want security hit, pirate in 0.0 Killing frigs and cruiser npc in empire... hmm, and that would take like 1-2 year or something? May be you did not notice that doing L 4 misisons in Empire increase you sec by 0.8 per battleship rat every 20 min? It is actially fastest way and in my opinion should be the only way. There a good logic into that - you want to do a crime - prepare connections with agents so you can decrease the time! :)
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:39:00 - [81] Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Lilan Kahn wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah geting +0.1% - +0.8% every 10-11 mins What kind of npc¦s are you killing, Jove officers? A 500k rat gives 0.07% and a 750k rat gives 0.08% increase without fast talk. If you are gonna raise to -1.9 from -10.0 then its not done very quick. And the timer is not 10-11min. I¦ve been npcing now the past 2 weeks and I have gained +3.0 sec, maybe npced 5-7 hours per day. The timer is reg 15min, sometimes you get a raise after 11-13min and sometimes it takes over 20min before you get a raise.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:54:00 - [82] Originally by: JoKane Originally by: Lilan Kahn erm geting sec back is easy killing 500k - 1m npcs and you go up very quick Originally by: Lilan Kahn wtf are you shoting npcing like 3 hours a day for 2 weeks from -0.1 to + 3.2 so erm yeah geting +0.1% - +0.8% every 10-11 mins What kind of npc¦s are you killing, Jove officers? A 500k rat gives 0.07% and a 750k rat gives 0.08% increase without fast talk. If you are gonna raise to -1.9 from -10.0 then its not done very quick. And the timer is not 10-11min. I¦ve been npcing now the past 2 weeks and I have gained +3.0 sec, maybe npced 5-7 hours per day. The timer is reg 15min, sometimes you get a raise after 11-13min and sometimes it takes over 20min before you get a raise. 400k mission rats give 0.8% increases.
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.20 10:19:00 - [83] Cry me a river Griefing s*head. To all you griefers: You do the crime you do the time. Now. To all you who compare this issue to RL and say that we should welcome griefers in empire with open hands. In RL you kill a person you go away for 25-life depending on how good your lia...um lawyer is you can get less. So that's about 1/3 of your lifetime behind bars for commiting a murder. Here in EVE you get a minor security hit if you murder and ruin one person's day by ganking an unsuspecting n00b / carebear / whoever. Thern you have to serve the "punishment". Well for podding one person you get a small sec hit that doesnt preclude you going anywhere. You're free to go wherever you desire. In RL you get arrested and go to jail. No more strolling down the streets. If you pod a few pilots then the sec hits become more painful and you cant enter 1.0 anymore. F* that, send an alt to go shopping you pu*es. In RL you will NEVER see daylight again if you are proven to be guilty on multiple accounts of murder ONE what podding essentially is. So in eve they lock you out of only a few in a myriad of systems. So dont come crying down like a sissy girl covered in blood crying "i cannot gank in Yulai anymore." Bu hu hu. For those with -10 standing that want to "make up". You are as evil as can get and everyone with lower than -5 security is past redemption as far as im concerned. You should be banned from eve. Go di around to Everquest 2 or some other lame ass MMORPG and take on those macro robbers if you're such a humanitarian. If you get caught and you're proven to be guilty of a few 10 murder ONE any decent court should hang you out on display for people to beat up on you for a couply of years so you pay for your crimes. To sum it up. Griefers with -10 standings should be left on that standing permanently.If not that harsh. IN NO WAY should coming back from horrible standing be made easier. Actually you should get a penalty to standing increase because the CONCORD HATES you and would rather see you dead than alive and well. Im in Ammold come and gank me if your standing allows you. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is an alt char to all you whiners who want to start yelling "alt alt alt"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:06:00 - [84] Nice balanced view there Playah. We all know blowing up pixels equates to RL murder
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 12:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Deja Thoris 400k mission rats give 0.8% increases. Yea I know, I was only takling about the regular npc which I belive Lilan was refering to also. And Playah, you do realise that its beacuse if ppl like you who drop stupid post like that there is alot of greifers. Nothing can be compared to good smack from a angry miner. But anyways, ranting on the forums is just silly so here¦s a little step by step guide that I think even you can manage to follow that will improve other players forum experince alot. 1. Look at the back of your keybord, there you will see a cord sticking out from it. 2. Follow the cord all the way to the end. 3. Now if you have done step 2 right you should be looking at the back of your computer. 4. Take the cord in any hand you feel comfortable with in a firm grip and pull it straight out of the computer. Congratulations, you have now successfully unpluged your keybord! I advice you to keep it unpluged in the future to prevent you to make stupid comment and look like a moron.
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.20 13:16:00 - [86] Originally by: Playah Cry me a river Griefing s*head. To all you griefers: You do the crime you do the time. Now. To all you who compare this issue to RL and say that we should welcome griefers in empire with open hands. In RL you kill a person you go away for 25-life depending on how good your lia...um lawyer is you can get less. So that's about 1/3 of your lifetime behind bars for commiting a murder. Here in EVE you get a minor security hit if you murder and ruin one person's day by ganking an unsuspecting n00b / carebear / whoever. Thern you have to serve the "punishment". Well for podding one person you get a small sec hit that doesnt preclude you going anywhere. You're free to go wherever you desire. In RL you get arrested and go to jail. No more strolling down the streets. If you pod a few pilots then the sec hits become more painful and you cant enter 1.0 anymore. F* that, send an alt to go shopping you pu*es. In RL you will NEVER see daylight again if you are proven to be guilty on multiple accounts of murder ONE what podding essentially is. So in eve they lock you out of only a few in a myriad of systems. So dont come crying down like a sissy girl covered in blood crying "i cannot gank in Yulai anymore." Bu hu hu. For those with -10 standing that want to "make up". You are as evil as can get and everyone with lower than -5 security is past redemption as far as im concerned. You should be banned from eve. Go di around to Everquest 2 or some other lame ass MMORPG and take on those macro robbers if you're such a humanitarian. If you get caught and you're proven to be guilty of a few 10 murder ONE any decent court should hang you out on display for people to beat up on you for a couply of years so you pay for your crimes. To sum it up. Griefers with -10 standings should be left on that standing permanently.If not that harsh. IN NO WAY should coming back from horrible standing be made easier. Actually you should get a penalty to standing increase because the CONCORD HATES you and would rather see you dead than alive and well. Im in Ammold come and gank me if your standing allows you. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is an alt char to all you whiners who want to start yelling "alt alt alt" Well done but why shud we be banned from eve just because we are -10...just because ur a carebear that mines veldspar everyday and mine whole belts out...maybe u should be banned for stripping belts clear......one more thing killing a pod is 5% sec loss...whereas killing an npc bs is liek 0.08% increase...now think about it u tard before u post rediculous comments...its only a game...nobody is bieng killed in RL bcos of it so stop YOUR whining... posting with an alt character 4tl....oh wait you just dont want to get ganked by one of us pirates...lame.... go back to your asteroids and dont think about us pirates...your not a pirate so why wud unnerfing 750k rats matter to u....uve probably not even seen higher than 40k rats.....cya around
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.20 14:13:00 - [87] theres no need to change any thing, im sorry but im gaining +0.3-0,5 sec a day (with a high sec low means you go up alot faster) please get a grip oh and dont give me bs abut dont knowing jack abut -10 sec kthx Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.20 15:00:00 - [88] Change what and who is saying that you know jack **** about beeing -10?
DeathSpawn66	Posted - 2005.09.20 15:59:00 - [89] Edited by: DeathSpawn66 on 20/09/2005 16:00:43 I love when the people all come into this thread and say do the crime do the time. It gives me more targets :-) I honestly don't mind my -9.5, -8.8 ratings on my characters. I think if u want to become good again the system is a little out of sorts but I doubt ccp will ever change it. Only thing I miss is the ability to go to 1.0 and have an empire war. The whole alt shopper thing is a bit annoying too, and being shot at by anyone, and being limited to any system, and having ccp never give us our **** back when something goes wrong in the game because of what we do, and so on and so on. My ceo was like -10.0 before and now he's -3.3 so obviously it can't be that bad, just a long experience. I've already gotten my sec up 2 times now and it got really boring, so then I got it back down, and that got boring. Then people say it's ghey I don't do 0.0 work, I don't see why .4 pirating get's less respect then 0.0 pirating. I think .4 is way more difficult and dangerous. In .4 I get shot anywhere I shoot someone and I can still be attacked anywhere by anyone, in 0.0 at least I can shoot you first and not have to tank sentries. So when I take out your battleship in gonditsa I don't want to fekkin' hear it. (Edit....man I ramble alot, cut back some of the crap I just said) -The Loveable Nub
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.20 17:57:00 - [90] Edited by: sesanti on 20/09/2005 17:59:24 To all of u who say "Do the crime, serve the time" or whatever, tell me why did u come to EVE for? EVE is not a mining simulation. It's a space simulation. There plenty of places for mining and producing and trading safely in high sec. space, for all of u who don't want to risk getting killed by pirates. The rules of the game say that if u go to low sec. space, u can get killed, podded, and looted. Why do u go there in first place? Of course, pirating is penalized with the ban from high sec. systems, and it's all right. However, for what i see, the system to bring your sec. rating is unbalanced. Since it's only a game, it should be balanced so u can bring it up again fairly quickly. I don't see why u DO care so much that pirates don't get the sec. rating up, or that they should be banned from the game if they pass certain negative value. Pirates are part of the game, just as miners, researches, traders, manufacturers. And CCP wants it that way and devised it that way. EVE is a non-consentual PVP game if u go in low sec. areas, then if ur bothered by it, why go? Stay in high sec, u can still play the game as well. The system is not perfect, but is great. However, there are some areas for improvement (as in everything) and if someone points out things that look unbalanced, people shouldn't get flamed for it. What is the point of opposing a "supposed" change (after all, CCP is not going to unerf those 700k rats just because of this thread)? Nothing changes at all... Pirates will continue attacking u in low sec. systems, with or without the change. U will continue to lose ships, and cargo, and implants, and your time and whatever, just like it happens now. The only thing that will get fixed is to give those pirate players who want to, the chance to go back to high sec. areas, and try another different career. After all, being just a game, u shouldn't need to spend weeks trying to go back to the rating needed to enter high sec. space. And since nothing will change at all for carebears, then why take it on pirates for your anger or dissappointment at losing your ship in low space? When in the first place, u should know u are paying a monthly fee in a non-consentual PVP game and entering willingly in an area where it's within the rules that anyone can attack u and kill u? What's the point in dissapproving that change? ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.09.20 22:33:00 - [91] again you wont spend weeks before you can go back in to empire kthx Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.20 23:20:00 - [92] That depends on the time u can play per day. Many people can't play EVE a lot of hours a day but on weekends. ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
vanBuskirk	Posted - 2005.09.21 00:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Mardonius Originally by: Ravenge Crime Time It's simple if you do the first one, you do the second one. If you don't want to do the second one, don't do the first one. If you're going to regurgitate what at least two people have already said you may aswell not post and prevent cluttering the thread. Also, quite simply, the system in place at the moment isn't "Do do the crime, you do the time". Pirates have to do more than time, they have to gank NPC rats also. Read my earlier posts on why I think this system can be improved, The classic quote "can't do the time, don't do the crime" is from real life, where if someone decides to be a criminal, sooner or later they get to eat bad food and sleep in a concrete cell with 4 other people with flatulence and a bad attitude. In fact, in most countries, people who act the way EVE pirates do have a very short sentence with a wooden box at the end of it. If all you had to do was wait, then you could find something else to do with your free time. The analogy you're implying would only work if, when your character reached -5, CCP sent some gorillas in tuxedos round to chain you to the keyboard. I don't think it will catch on. Or we could make it more realistic; when you reach -5, your clone is deactivated, and if someone pods you after that then get ready to reroll. What a good idea! Some of the worst carebear whiners I see here are "pirates". ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent". ----------------------------------------------
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.21 01:48:00 - [94] It's just this topic of "carebears" vs "pirates" always arises again and again.. and when a "pirate" promotes something that might improve something in their area of play, "carebears" jump around... and viceversa... i have read many threads mocking "carebears" for not going out of high sec. space, by pirates, or anyone who dwell in low sec. space. But first let's remember that EVE is A GAME. Just that. A computer game. Complex?, Ok, but a game nonetheless. Any comparison or parallel to what happens in RL is OUT OF THE QUESTION. The game needs to be balanced, not be just like real life. And for balance, there must equality of opportunities for every career choice. And like this is no game like others, there is no powerleveling, classes or exp. levels. U can choose any path u want to take. But there must be the assurance that u can come back from that point (any u choose, including piracy) and be able to do something else without having to be on 24 hours every day during a week dong a repetitive and boring task. Of course piracy has the effects of lowering the sec. rating and that is of course the way it should be. That helps separate the sections of the game where people, who do not want to risk PVP, can be safe, from the sections where everything is permitted. And whoever goes to those sections, must be aware they can lose everything. And if it happens, well, bad luck! U gambled, and u lost. U didn't want to gamble with a risk, u could have stayed in the areas where there wasn't any risk. And, when people who dwell in low sec. find something unbalanced, they have the right to ask for a change that may balance things up in their branch of preference. As simple as that. I don't see how a change that would let people increase their sec. rating a bit faster is on detriment of the "carebear" community. U won't be affected in your play by that. ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
PsyBoRG	Posted - 2005.09.21 08:52:00 - [95] well seeing as i fixed my sec recently ill tell ya how long it takes simply 1 week of ratting a 8/10 complex in 0.0 some 5/10's work to i went back to -10.0 though as i am a pirate and allready know how to handle myself in 0.0 and all this does is change all empire to 0.0 for me more or less oh and tbh u cant fix something that aint broke maybe u should just adapt and use the new way of doing it if you want to care-pirate ...
vanBuskirk	Posted - 2005.09.21 10:08:00 - [96] Originally by: sesanti Edited by: sesanti on 20/09/2005 17:59:24 To all of u who say "Do the crime, serve the time" or whatever, tell me why did u come to EVE for? EVE is not a mining simulation. It's a space simulation. There plenty of places for mining and producing and trading safely in high sec. space, for all of u who don't want to risk getting killed by pirates. Tell that to the 23 people who were podded in Oursulaert (0.9, to save you looking it up) day before yesterday by a trigger-happy moron with nothing better to do, and nothing much to lose since his ships were fully insured. -5 outlaws ought to get no insurance. Period. It might go a little way towards stopping this sort of stupid, pointless abuse of the rules. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent". ----------------------------------------------
MrMorph	Posted - 2005.09.21 10:25:00 - [97] OMG OMG..... Dear CCP, please add a "Repair SEC status" button in station-controlpanel, so that the weebees who wanna kill in lowsec can just repair, then go to yulai to showoff their factionship in 1.0 space..... Stop whining ----------------------------------------------
MrMorph	Posted - 2005.09.21 10:27:00 - [98] Edited by: MrMorph on 21/09/2005 10:27:43 Originally by: vanBuskirk Originally by: sesanti Edited by: sesanti on 20/09/2005 17:59:24 To all of u who say "Do the crime, serve the time" or whatever, tell me why did u come to EVE for? EVE is not a mining simulation. It's a space simulation. There plenty of places for mining and producing and trading safely in high sec. space, for all of u who don't want to risk getting killed by pirates. Tell that to the 23 people who were podded in Oursulaert (0.9, to save you looking it up) day before yesterday by a trigger-happy moron with nothing better to do, and nothing much to lose since his ships were fully insured. -5 outlaws ought to get no insurance. Period. It might go a little way towards stopping this sort of stupid, pointless abuse of the rules. Agreed, outlaws should get no insurance. But add the fact that carebears should get 1000% higher insurance-bill per billion they make. And the fact that if they make more than 2 billion isk, yer ship automatically gets a chance of exploding. (Space terror). Oh yeah, and the more isk you get, the slower yer mininglasers, and the more armor mission rats should get. ----------------------------------------------
spRAYed	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:18:00 - [99] Edited by: spRAYed on 21/09/2005 11:18:43 That button is a good idea lol, Y not make an option that pirates with low sec..can buy their sec back at concord? Make it 50 mill for each 10% they want to gain...this way they'll loose their money they made on pirating/griefing and not have to whine about their sec... Or if u wanna enter certain systems that are not ment for people with low sec..make them pay a fee to go through that system...the higher the sec..the more it will cost ya. This way the carebears will also sell the crap they craft and sell in high sec a bit more....
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.21 12:44:00 - [100] Edited by: sesanti on 21/09/2005 12:46:48 But i thought that what happened in that 0.9 system was more an exploit than anything else. That thing doesn't happend often and u can't take it on an awful LOT of people who don't abuse rules for what only ONE person does (or 2, in this case, since he worked with someone). In that case the person should be warned or banned, but that's not within our reach but the GMs. ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:00:00 - [101] Exactly griefers. It's just a game. And a damn good one. Lucky for us "carebears" CCP put some sort of punishment into the game for children who like to ruin other people's gaming experience by ganking especially n00b players. I know of a few people, i wont name names becasue nobody knows them anyway, that quit the game because they were ganked with their indys full of valuable stuff with local expanders and head full of +3 implants. They did not represent any threat at all and they were ganked in low security making a jump or two through low sec on a 20j trip and some asshat decided that their indy would make a nice booooom. So a griefer ruined their day and everything they have worked for months trying to build a decent corp an make a name of themselves in EVE was destroyed by some random act of violence. so they quit. CCP lost revenue because of that and because of that a few of you griefers should be booted to tech the other a lesson to pick on peeps their own size. I just CANNOT see where the fun is in gutting a puppy = podding a n00b or a T1 indy. Fu that. I wont mind if my main gets fued up. I got it insured and i can afford to lose a few ships now and then. I know i should not be flying/mining (being) in low sec cause sooner or later some griefer is going to try and ruin my day. So i use instas or speeder frig and show my middle finger to anyone who tries to stop me. All of you horrible standing griefers are pussies cause you dont have balls to go aggro those big alliances that would squish you like a***roach that you are. Now stop whining and accept that you ruined a few people's gaming experiences and for that your gaming experience should and must be ruined to some extent. So STFU and take it where you like it the most. * P.s Can one of you children explain to me please where the fun is in podding defensless n00bs and other defensles peeps ?
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:14:00 - [102] Originally by: Deja Thoris Nice balanced view there Playah. We all know blowing up pixels equates to RL murder You're shooting another persons pixels ;). EVE is not your regular space invaders where you play against a few lines of code. The pixels you shoot in EVE are the pixels someone put some effort to paint infront of you. P.S. I hope MC continues to *****you and let's see what will you have to say about your pixels being shot at. Taste of your own medicine hehehehehehehehehehehe. P.s.s. MC is bad peope m'kay. Pirates just like you and i like seeing two eBil corps kill each other.
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:17:00 - [103] If those people were at low sec. when they were killed AND looted, it's their own problem. If they quitted for that is just because an attitude problem. U were in low sec.? Then if you're killed u CANT complain at all, even i u got ransomed for all your ISK and then after paying, got killed with the entirety of your valuables in a cargo hold... whether it was handed down by an honorable pirate, griefers, blobs, gate ganking, or <insert your killing type here>. As a matter of fact if your podded "n" times in ONE hour in low sec., u can't complain at all. If that bothers u, move out to high sec. systems. Which brings me to the other point. Suicide chars at high sec. space, in my OWN opinion, is an exploit (i dunno if it considered like that by CCP), and i think that people should be warned or banned and the victim reimbursed for the losses. However i dunno how CCP handles that cases. But that has NOTHING to do with what this thread was all about in the beginning, which was an improvement for players to be able to go to high space by having their standing increase faster. It's u who come to this thread to whine about a change that won't affect u at all. Besides, playah, with your previous thread a few pages ago, u say it all about your attitude ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:20:00 - [104] Originally by: JoKane Originally by: Deja Thoris 400k mission rats give 0.8% increases. Yea I know, I was only takling about the regular npc which I belive Lilan was refering to also. And Playah, you do realise that its beacuse if ppl like you who drop stupid post like that there is alot of greifers. Nothing can be compared to good smack from a angry miner. But anyways, ranting on the forums is just silly so here¦s a little step by step guide that I think even you can manage to follow that will improve other players forum experince alot. 1. Look at the back of your keybord, there you will see a cord sticking out from it. 2. Follow the cord all the way to the end. 3. Now if you have done step 2 right you should be looking at the back of your computer. 4. Take the cord in any hand you feel comfortable with in a firm grip and pull it straight out of the computer. Congratulations, you have now successfully unpluged your keybord! I advice you to keep it unpluged in the future to prevent you to make stupid comment and look like a moron. Another griefer. Cant take a critic. And off he goes grief another n00b. You griefers got your big fat bonus when indys were nerfed so they could not fit a MWD anymore. Now you've had your gift so STFU.
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:49:00 - [105] Are u a main or an alt, playah? As i see it, the only whiner here is you. ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.09.21 18:02:00 - [106] Obviously a alt who is crying emotionaly in real life. Everyone who pirates indy's is a griefer. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.21 19:44:00 - [107] O M G U N N E R F P I R A T E S N O W !! Please --
Majir Kry	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:06:00 - [108] what is there to unnerf? I still get 0.8% from 400k rats in l4 missions
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:19:00 - [109] Edited by: Kinsy on 22/09/2005 10:19:22 Originally by: Shinnen Cheese & Whine Jesus H Christ is this thread still going? DONT WHINE. ADAPT OR QUIT. You get a 0.08% increase from rats. Getting sec status up is FASTER than before. If you want to hear some whining ill give you some spool about part time pirate losers who won't go below -5, thereby penalising pirate hunters who will still gank their asses but have to take a hit and some sentry fire. And sometimes a bounty...Look at the new video 4.06mins in on the bounty window, im the only one showing online with a 70m bounty. Just what you frickin need when your trying to convince a load of locals your there to help them isnt it?
Mitchman	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:22:00 - [110] I got several 0.8% raises from doing lvl 4 cosmos missions, that's TWICE of what you got from 750k rats previously. A single mission bumped me from 4.5 to 4.6 in sec. But many of the BS rats were 2.25M bounty ones and such, so that might explain it. It seems to me that, although the nerfed 750k rats, other rats give out more sec raise than they used to. It should even out.
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:36:00 - [111] Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 22/09/2005 10:04:51 O M G U N N E R F P I R A T E S N O W !! Please http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7813/piratesnerf4kl.jpg That picture pretty much shows it all.... Ive been trying to get my sec stat up for a few weeks now... I lost 2 ships in the process, and gave away a lot of isk to people (out of generosity). Goddamn whiner. You did the crime now do the time or quit
Grant Smith	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:37:00 - [112] ive gone from -9.3 to -4.65 in about 15 days, solid npcing in all available free time. its got so tiresome now, i just have to think of what im going back to - thats all thats keeping me going now.
Grant Smith	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:39:00 - [113] and shinnens my buddy, i been pirating with him, he started at -5.9 and is at -4.9, i win him :P (note: i am sadder though, ive spent alot more time in game than him) <3 to shin
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:43:00 - [114] Seems obvious then! He's almost got enough there for a Blackbird. If he wants a 1-run BPC im sure his pirate friends will be able to get him one. Hell ill give him one if he comes fetches it. Then get him to help out with your ratting. Long as he shoots, paints or jams what your firing at, he'll get an increase (and some cash of course).
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:47:00 - [115] Quote: You get a 0.08% increase from rats. Getting sec status up is FASTER than before. No, you used to get a 0.4 inc from 750k rats... --
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.22 10:56:00 - [116] Originally by: sesanti But that has NOTHING to do with what this thread was all about in the beginning, which was an improvement for players to be able to go to high space by having their standing increase faster. It's u who come to this thread to whine about a change that won't affect u at all. Besides, playah, with your previous thread a few pages ago, u say it all about your attitude Yea, let the criminals run loose you say. I see your standpoint. So if some griefer ruins 20 people's days and get's a horrible standing for that and has to hunt rats for 20 days to get his standing back up is a joke ?!??!?! Wrong? Getting ganked does not have an upside. Hunting rats to boost your standing does. Yo earn loads of iskies and get faction loot. Oh wait you cant do that because you're to much of a chicken to go hunt into 0.0. Well boohoohoo for you. On the other side you're a brave n00b ganker every n00b MUST be afraid of. Besides, there are plenty lvl4 agents in low security. Sitting on your ass camping a low security chokepoint you have enough time to browse through all of them. Like i said before: I have no sympathy at all for any of you vermin P.s. Im talking about n00bs who have no idea what to expect in low sec and get ganked for no gain at all. Just the evil grin on the griefers face when he ruins another person's day. P.s.s. How would you react if someone would pull you out of your pizza delivery vehicle in East L.A. or Bronx or any other american crime infested city and gutted you like a p that you are. "Hey mister im just minding my own business." ? Or would you go report the crime commited to the police so they would f* up the parties involved in screwing up your gut? So dont cry here about giving you a free ride in screwing up other people's everyday. And go gank space invaders if you even know what that is. Or Freelancer. Or even better: Take on an alliance. They sure would be glad to see another soon-to-be-podded customer so their PVPers can train a bit and so their guns wont be just ollecting dust in hangars ;)
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.22 11:11:00 - [117] Originally by: Playah P.s.s. How would you react if someone would pull you out of your pizza delivery vehicle in East L.A. or Bronx or any other american crime infested city and gutted you like a p that you are. "Hey mister im just minding my own business." ? Or would you go report the crime commited to the police so they would f* up the parties involved in screwing up your gut? So dont cry here about giving you a free ride in screwing up other people's everyday. And go gank space invaders if you even know what that is. Or Freelancer. Or even better: Take on an alliance. They sure would be glad to see another soon-to-be-podded customer so their PVPers can train a bit and so their guns wont be just ollecting dust in hangars ;) You have a serious problem... IT's A GAME!!!! not real life, dont compare the game situation like the real aforementioned situation. The game is supposed to have elements of "fun" but it's lost it cos i cant do what i consider fun anymore... --
Scrofalitic One	Posted - 2005.09.22 11:12:00 - [118] Good lordy-lord, I'm not a pirate at all, just a stadard mission running ratter type, but even I am dtempted to laod up with scrammers & jammers and go hunting Playah... I respect that you have an opinion, I just think that it's appalling the way you present it. I'm sure that if anyone jumped into a thread about miners or mission runners asking for advice from their peers on how to circumvent a problem and flaming them all for being "Stooopid carebear lewzesrsz!1!!!" would get told to shut up. You have to see what you are doing is exactly the same.
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.09.22 11:16:00 - [119] @Scrofalitic One: Who's that to? --
Shafty	Posted - 2005.09.22 11:29:00 - [120] TBH nothing needs fixing here. Yes im gonna quote the old "If you cant do the crime etc.etc") Surely you knew when you podded that you would be outlaw? And before anyone says "Carebear, you dont know what you are talking about" im currently -6.8 back from -10. It doesnt take too long and in all honesty anyone who doesnt have another means of income or who isnt stinking rich already should stay away from piracy if they are worried about seeing Yulai again. If you were such a Badass get to 0.0 and start NPCing sec soon goes up. Wonder how long this thread will run for.
sesanti	Posted - 2005.09.22 13:29:00 - [121] Ok, playah, i am done talking to u... u obviously don't read and what's more, u still don't know what this game is about. If u consider getting killed in low sec by pirates, as "GRIEFING", then u still have no idea of this game. And please, post with a main, like i do. I pretty much doubt u will get to insult and flame like u do if u were using your main. But i see u don't have the guts to do it! ________________________________________________ - The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.09.22 14:26:00 - [122] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 22/09/2005 14:27:38 Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 22/09/2005 14:26:37 There is some valid completes about piracy. You can only pirate in low security in a BS really. You can't repair security status when you use to be able to bribe agents. To much ** blows up and it is always the good ** (Though I grabbed a Nemsis this morning , but the owner said something really good was in the secure can that blew up ;_; ) Sentries in low security Local sending up red flags you're in system so there is no point to belt hunting. CCP has just CONSTANTLY nerfed piracy and given it nothing in return. Transport ships are really, really hard to tie down and yet we have sentry cover for them.
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.22 14:29:00 - [123] Im calling podding n00bs in low sec griefing. Hey, if you manage to get a Bs kill of a seasoned player good for you. He KNOWS why he got spanked. The problem is you yourself would get ganked so you pick soft targets. There are only a few true pirates. And all you proud -10 standing bearers dont come close to them. The fact that you have horrible security standing speaks loud enough about your bravery, or should i say a total lack of it. The RL analogy here is that other people also pay to play this game and guess what. World does not revolve around you. You boys should come to realize that with podding them you ruin their day. Hell, i felt the same when i first got podded minding my own business. so i took a few days away from eve to gather my senses and accept i got whacked by someone who's entire existence in eve is about hurting other people. Sure, it's a game. But a PAYING one and i dont pay for it with cookies, or my daddy's credit card. So how would you feel if the game you paid fair and square would be crashing 90% of the time. I guess the proper term would be robbed. Why the hell am I even making these examples to try and beat some empathy or eve sense in you. You're most probably a bunch of kids that dont understand half of what im saying anyway. So let's take a notch off the hostility meter here please. If griefing is such a good thing, take a look at the test server markets after a few weeks. They're empty. that's because over there everyone is blowing up stuff and nobody is building any. So let us not allow that to happen on TQ. There have to be carebears that build stuff. Lucky for the majority of people the griefing part of players is a rather small one so we can get our hands on some nocx, megacyte, zydrine that manages to slip past your gank camps in chokepoints and low security. anmd now that small portin of people would like to get a big fat discount on their security standings. I hope the CCP wont succumb to such low blows like unnerfing 750k rats. They FIXED it becasue it was out of whack before and is all good now. The fact is that you ruined someone's day by killing him in low security and you should suffer the consequences of your evil actions. Grow a pair of balls and go scare to 0.0 so you dont have to whine about bad rep with CONCORD.
Mahu	Posted - 2005.09.22 14:54:00 - [124] Playah Why don't you just stay in high sec if all this stuff bothers you so much? There are loads of systems where you can do your thing. I fail to see who anyone who goes in to low sec can complain about getting blown up. You have your bit of the game where life is pretty safe, and we have our bit of the game where we can blow stuff up. Its not like any of us low sec ppl can come up to Jita and gank you. Also making real life analogies it a bit strange to me. This isn't real life it's Eve. A game which advertised piracy etc so you can hardly be surprised when it happens can you? When I started out I foolishly spent my time in low sec and got podded adn blown up loads. Once I got over the whole "OMG U just took away 1 weeks work" sillyness I found that it made the game richer, and trust me I was flying a fairly n00b ship with hardly any experience loaded up to the gills with proto rails and the like. I learned so much from the guys who ganked me and stayed friends with quite a few of them. I also missed the sense of adventure when I went back to high sec space to run missions. I hope you are just a new player who is at that very "OMG U just took away 1 weeks work" stage because that meens maybe you will also learn to enjoy the risk when u step in to low sec. Unforunately you appear to be someones alt who has a very unhealthy grudge against other players in Eve. If the later is true I feel sorry for you.
Imran	Posted - 2005.09.22 16:36:00 - [125] Bribe Concord for teh win.
Playah	Posted - 2005.09.22 16:37:00 - [126] a grudge i do have and i will have for 2 people that ganked/scammed me and i put up a bounty on their asses when i see they have none so they too get podded ;) Other players i dont hold a grudge for. If someone ruins a few weeks of work to me i think im entitled to be ****ed. Wouldn't you be? Now as i said before i have instas and MWD's and i show my miggle finger to all you griefers out there trying to gank me. All i'm saying is that if a char is less than a month old let it go and maybe tell him that next time he will get an express ticket home. Behave
spRAYed	Posted - 2005.09.22 18:44:00 - [127] Lol, when people quit the game cuz they got wtfpwned....that makes me laughzor me golden teeth out. There is gonna be a time when someone kills him/her-self cuz someone stole their ore.. It be nice to see destroyed implants etc on pod kills...
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:09:00 - [128] If we didn't pod, the implant market would dry up.
Kroma BaSyl	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:55:00 - [129] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci If we didn't pod, the implant market would dry up. Yet another reason we at Snickers Inc love the fine individuals of Loot. Oh, wait you don't mean those types of Implants, I thought this was in respect to your effect on the pron market. <snicker> Kroma BaSyl Don't hate me because I am beautiful!
zomg11oneone	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:56:00 - [130] Originally by: Playah Im calling podding n00bs in low sec griefing. Hey, if you manage to get a Bs kill of a seasoned player good for you. He KNOWS why he got spanked. The problem is you yourself would get ganked so you pick soft targets. Sorry, I usually start shooting anything that shows up on my overview before I get a chance to 'pick soft targets'. Originally by: Playah There are only a few true pirates. And all you proud -10 standing bearers dont come close to them. The fact that you have horrible security standing speaks loud enough about your bravery, or should i say a total lack of it. Security status really doesn't have anything to do with bravery. Just means you've killed a lot of people in low-sec Originally by: Playah The RL analogy here is that other people also pay to play this game and guess what. World does not revolve around you. You boys should come to realize that with podding them you ruin their day. Uh... okay, well other people that pay can do what they want for fun in the game -- I'll do what I want for fun. Ruining days is just an added benefit :D Originally by: Playah Hell, i felt the same when i first got podded minding my own business. so i took a few days away from eve to gather my senses and accept i got whacked by someone who's entire existence in eve is about hurting other people. Wow, sure sounds like you aren't over it yet. Originally by: Playah Sure, it's a game. But a PAYING one and i dont pay for it with cookies, or my daddy's credit card. So don't play anymore if you're not having fun... ? I pay and I have fun. And I don't pay with cookies or my daddy's credit card. Whats your point? Originally by: Playah So how would you feel if the game you paid fair and square would be crashing 90% of the time. I guess the proper term would be robbed. Are you trying to compare a buggy program with being the victim of PVP? That's... stretching the metaphor a little too far. Stay in high-sec, viola the metaphorical 'game' you've paid for doesn't 'crash' anymore. Originally by: Playah You're most probably a bunch of kids that dont understand half of what im saying anyway. Clever! Originally by: Playah If griefing is such a good thing, take a look at the test server markets after a few weeks. They're empty. that's because over there everyone is blowing up stuff and nobody is building any. So let us not allow that to happen on TQ. So I take it you don't really understand how the test server works... Like... uhm... there isn't a 'real' player base there, so there isn't a market. People just stop by to have fun, more or less. Mods and ships are given out for free to play with. Originally by: Playah The fact is that you ruined someone's day by killing him in low security and you should suffer the consequences of your evil actions. I'm alright with that. My only concern is how hard it is to switch your focus. What if you want to go do something different? It shouldn't take so long to work up enough sec to switch professions. Originally by: Playah Grow a pair of balls and go scare to 0.0 so you dont have to whine about bad rep with CONCORD. Thanks, I have a pair already. What's in 0.0 that makes it so much more 'ballsy'? 0.0 is boring. 0.0 is empty systems and alliance blob fleet combat. Did I mention how empty it is yet? Except of course when alliance blobs roam about. Wow, fleet combat is so exciting Anyway, to sum it all up. I don't care about my sec, and you're a typical 'i-got-shot-at-and-now-i'm-mad' whiner. Read sig.
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:58:00 - [131] damn post stealing alts. zomg = me. So read this sig, playah Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2005.09.23 17:20:00 - [132] Originally by: Playah All i'm saying is that if a char is less than a month old let it go and maybe tell him that next time he will get an express ticket home. As long as I dont recieve hatemail or a lot of smacktalk, I'm pretty nice -- and have guiltily reimbursed or let go a few super-n00bs (well, at least given them advice lol). Even made a few friends omg i need to stop forum trolling today... Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

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