but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec?

And ultimately their selfish actions prevent players natural progression out of highsec to other areas

Though i won't go as far as saying that ganking should be impossible in highsec, i definately think it should be made harder and/or less profitable.

2006 I think; might have been 2007.
It was when the can flagging system was introduced. Up until that point Ore Theft (using a heavily expanded hauler) was the primary "danger" which miners had to deal with, suicide ganking was rare and generally focussed against known ore thieves or macro groups...
That's right, the majority of suicide ganks (at least within the sphere I was aware of at the time) were defending the miners and their profits.
Can flagging changed the dynamic however, and do you know who drove the development of that feature?

It was the miners.

Over the years since then the gankers have refined their techniques, developed new strategies and made it into a career. They've been "nerfed" several times (but have received buffs too).

Personally I feel that the barge buff went in the wrong direction, the tank levels are about right IMHO but the redesign should have enabled the fitting of tanks of that scale rather than building them into the hull - the gankers have always said "fit a tank" and most of those who listened to that sentiment (but not the specifics of deadspace boosters in highsec) seem to have fared relatively well out of it.

Personally I feel that the barge buff went in the wrong direction, the tank levels are about right IMHO but the redesign should have enabled the fitting of tanks of that scale rather than building them into the hull - the gankers have always said "fit a tank" and most of those who listened to that sentiment (but not the specifics of deadspace boosters in highsec) seem to have fared relatively well out of it.

eve isn't fair, deal with it

So you no longer want production facilities in null to be as good as, or better than those in hi-sec, as 'eve isn't fair, deal with it'?

So you no longer want production facilities in null to be as good as, or better than those in hi-sec, as 'eve isn't fair, deal with it'?

I get that no where in EVE is it truely safe and all that crap bla bla bla

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec? I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m? I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted? WTF?!?!

So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot?

I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all.

This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people.

Let me say agian im not trying to complain about getting ganked rather i guess im complaining at the huge unfair cost diff of ships.

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker.

I know many trolls are gunna just tear this post a new one with the "eve isnt supposed be safe crap" but the fact that people create accounts just to gank ships with tech I ships that cost 5-10 times less then what it costs the person getting ganked. doesnt seem fair to me at all. and I feel it has caused many players to leave and will continue to do so.

Now, for the complex part, miners!

uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.

we call it; the retriever.

We call those targets!

you guys actually undock and do stuff?
i thought you all spent your time docked in station fondling each other?

Tell me more, I'm getting all hot and bothered here...

we call it; the retriever.

what i found is that gankers shifted to ship scanning more after the changes and use multiple alts if required. Tanking may help if other players in system are untanked but if they want to get you they will because gankers aren't necessarily rational (in the sense that they're calculating profit). I've had a close call in a fairly well tanked Mackinaw versus two catalysts so while the tank obviously saved me it was no deterrent and I only survived because of the ganker's miscalculation (he tried to warp his third alt in but CONCORD popped him on arrival)

Ya this thread delivers.

If you want to mine in highsec get a skiff and tank the crap out of it. Even a Mack can have EHP of over 30k. If you make yourself more costly to gank than it takes to gank you then you won't be ganked. Tank your ship up and stop AFK mining and undoubtable you are alot less likely to get ganked.

That means D-SCAN and pay attention to local. I have no sympathy for anyone who AFK mines and fits no tank on his barge, they deserve to be ganked. CCP can't fix stupid and you guys are asking them to do just that.

Eh... High sec miners story of heroic survival in the face of adversity...


Does not deliver...

go pound sand while your exhumers get popped

Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.

Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.