i'm trying to fit a retriever in EFT

when fitted with an adaptive invuln II i don't need a MAPC in the lows so it mines the same as the Mack. the disadvantage is the retriever will have to stagger the strip miner activations. with an MSE2 it'll mine less than the mack but doesn't worry about capacitor

in both cases the flight of mining drones on the mack takes its yield way above the retriever. the mack's EHP is higher and there's a bigger ore bay

about 18-20k EHP on the retriever fit

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

[Mackinaw, Tank]
(tanking fit)

i wouldn't take out the retriever or the mack without combat drones is why i didn't count them. if you took the mining drones, the retriever would mine about the same as the mack, but without the ore bay, the extra EHP or the hobgobs the mack can carry in addition

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

about 120 yield per minute (no implants/boosts) in favour of the retriever vs. my mack fit, but that requires mining drones and without tank or hobgobs you might die to belt rats :(

i'm no ~fitting expert~ mind

retriever mines 23.3% more than the mackinaw.

simple fact is t1 mining barges are too close to their t2 counterparts. if you could sacrifice yield for tank on an exhumer, and not have it's yield dwarfed by that of it's t1 counterpart i wouldn't even entertain this discussion.

I would be interested to see what fits you are comparing that show the yield that different. My alt has both those ships and with a good tank and yield the difference is more around 10% if that. Now if we go solo mining with no Orca the Mack out mines the retriever on sheer ore hold size since it does not need so many trips to station to dump (unless you are dumb enough to jetcan mine). The Mack can also take 5 t2 combat drones and 5 mining 2 drones so it can fend off any rats with ease.

try 241m3 per min.
although we are talking 0 mlu mack vs 3mlu ret.

try 241m3 per min.
although we are talking 0 mlu mack vs 3mlu ret.

wait, so your comparison is dumb. 0 MLU Mack vs a 3 MLU Ret? That is a good comparison for you?

This thread does deliver.

Ganking is basicly EvE with Easy-mode on.

Either way, with so little difference in effective yield, there is little reason to use a Mackinaw over a Retriever in public high-sec. Not worth the investment. Unless you are mining on your own often in mission locations or gravimetric sites, the Retriever is the ship to fly.

Considering the amount of Retrievers I can see in belts compared to Mackinaws, the miners are agreeing.

fun fact.

retrievers account for more volume mined than mackinaws when looking at high sec ores.

Abrazzar asked for that comparison, I assume it was just out of interest

I'm more interested in the comparison between a practically gank-tanked mack between a practically gank-tanked retriever, and I believe the tanked mack comes out on top with a respectable yield, more ehp, more cargo and a flight of drones

even versus the max yield retriever, though, the mack's yield is comparable

Abrazzar asked for that comparison, I assume it was just out of interest

I'm more interested in the comparison between a practically gank-tanked mack between a practically gank-tanked retriever, and I believe the tanked mack comes out on top with a respectable yield, more ehp, more cargo and a flight of drones

even versus the max yield retriever, though, the mack's yield is comparable

Miners will pick the single worst tanked ship with the highest chance of getting ganked. Its not known why they do this.

(faster training time for alts/bots i reckon but i won't say for sure because i don't know)

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec?

I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m?

So i mean what defense is there?

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

worst tanked ship mines most.

Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.

with the mackinaw, yes. with the hulk, i think it was roughly right where it was.

that guy from bat country who posts a lot (and who's name i can never remember how to spell) said a hulk with 16k ehp or more was unprofitable to gank. i could fit a max yield hulk with 16k ehp therefore i felt the hulk was spot on. mackinaw, not so much.

i feel all this change will do is push mining ships in to the situation we were in pre barge change, and back in to the situation the changes were introduced to try and move away from.

Isn't it great how a miners mind works?

Because destroyers were horribly underpowered and because the ganked are utterly and completely irrelevant when doing that, since none of their multitudinous defensive options were affected.

Even if you tanked out a Hulk or Mackinaw.

You can have 20 Catalysts suicide gank fitted for a total of 200 million which is the equivalent of a mining barge

Try fitting a Hulk or Mackinaw that can tank 18 Catalysts suicide ganking it, It won't be possible.

Hey now let's not confuse the perverted activities you people do in high sec to actual mining. What you people do have about as much to do with mining as ratting has to do with pvp.

I have worked with actual miners and I guard miners on a weekly basis.

They are a skittish race of critters that pack tank and they dock when going to the bathroom. They are so focused on their surroundings that they can barely pay attention to the mining itself. A sudden move or loud noise and they are gone in an instant.


And do not give me that bull about miners time to accelerate to warp speed. You do not get ganked because they catch you before reaching warp speed. They catch you because you activate the mining lasers and then go make breakfast or alt tab or watch TV.

Even if you tanked out a Hulk or Mackinaw.

You can have 20 Catalysts suicide gank fitted for a total of 200 million which is the equivalent of a mining barge

Try fitting a Hulk or Mackinaw that can tank 18 Catalysts suicide ganking it, It won't be possible.