PVP = Player vs Player
Killing indy ships is still PVP. If people can't learn how to survive and be cautious with their indy ships then that is their fault.
And yes, even though it is off topic a bit. I find popping indies and PVE ships fun and rewarding. I get the loot, they go home in a pod or less.

TBH so far all I have seen is a pile of carebears crying that this would remove their only safety net. You know actually having a strategy that goes beyond a cheap trick like this is too hard for strategy gamers to grasp apparently.

uh, they did learn to be cautious with their indy ships, and now you're moaning about it like a small child.

All I see anymore is every damn ship running around doing the mwd cloak exploit to wander around lowsec with no chance of being caught. Makes this game insanely boring when I try and catch people at gates and they just warp off with no chance of me locking them. Logged in for the first time today in a while and saw a occator coming my way unscouted. Grabbed a sebo phobos and went and waited for him. No chance to lock at all, just warped off. Been dealing with ishtars and haulers over the last few months that did this and made hunting them tedious and pointless.

How about a nice simple fix. If there are modules active, cloaks don't activate. Or activating modules disable cloaks. Either or it solves the exploit. This is likely not so bad in null since you can deploy a bubble, but in lowsec theres no way of catching them without a large camp. Even then its luck. If they appear outside of 8k from someone they aren't getting caught since all you can use on a gate in low is cruisers and up.

If you are foolish enough to wander around unscouted, or get caught in a trap by a patient pvper they should have to rely on standard escape strategies not use a 2 module combination that makes ships behave like covert ops ships.

When the talk from CCP says they want to create more opportunities for pvp, MWD cloak tricks still existing blatantly contradicts that stance.

TBH so far all I have seen is a pile of carebears crying that this would remove their only safety net. You know actually having a strategy that goes beyond a cheap trick like this is too hard for strategy gamers to grasp apparently.

I think this is a splendid idea! Also, I would like to suggest that warp drives are disabled for 30 seconds after jumping, and removal of the option to warp to within 0km to gates.

Also, gates should emit a 15km radius field that disables all cloaking and propulsion modules.

soon they wil complain they cannot trap cloaky warp stabilized nanoed interdiction nullified T3s that can haul 150m3 of stuff.

TBH so far all I have seen is a pile of carebears crying that this would remove their only safety net. You know actually having a strategy that goes beyond a cheap trick like this is too hard for strategy gamers to grasp apparently.

Removing the warp to zero is a really bad idea. That was how it was done before, but then players figured out how t make insta jump book marks. And players would have them for many systems they frequented. Soon players had thousands of book marks (you'd need a new insta in some cases for different entry points in a system). And that caused issues in game. So the warp to zero option so that the bookmarks became irrelevant and players could delete them.

Well that is what I was reading somewhere or other a few days ago.

soon they wil complain they cannot trap cloaky warp stabilized nanoed interdiction nullified T3s that can haul 150m3 of stuff.

Using a cloak and MWD to instantly warp is not an exploit, ...snip....

This. If it was an exploit CCP would be banning people from using it. They're not so it isn't.

Removing the warp to zero is a really bad idea. That was how it was done before, but then players figured out how t make insta jump book marks. And players would have them for many systems they frequented. Soon players had thousands of book marks (you'd need a new insta in some cases for different entry points in a system). And that caused issues in game. So the warp to zero option so that the bookmarks became irrelevant and players could delete them.

Well that is what I was reading somewhere or other a few days ago.

I think Vassdrag proposal was just sarcasm...