When the talk from CCP says they want to create more opportunities for pvp, MWD cloak tricks still existing blatantly contradicts that stance.

Creating more opportunities for PVP is not the same as easy, counterless kills. The MWD + cloak trick allows people, if they specifically fit their ships, a chance to get past unorganized gatecamps (a properly-organized one won't need more than 10s to decloak and point someone).

An alt should not be necessary just to move around lowsec. Every opportunity for ganks needs counters, and fitting for travel (ie cloak + MWD) is the primary counter for gatecamping.

You're asking for fish in a barrel, not pvp.

it is still buggy because you can use mwd after you have cloaked for one cycle.
the mechanic is very old and it was in patch notes before but they never fixxed it.

There should not be a way to perfectly counter gatecamps in anything short of a covert ops or blockade runner. Gatecamps are countered with other fleets. There are other ways to survive a camp of only 1-4 people, like burning back to gate or ecm bursts to name a few. This is quite literally unstoppable for people like me that prefer solo/small gang fights.
Yes it is the primary counter used for travelling in lowsec. It should not be as foolproof as it is.
Where is the counter to people attempting to dodge pvp with this. By that logic there would be a decloak radius module, but there isn't. For stabbed ships we have faction points or hictors.

PVP = Player vs Player
Killing indy ships is still PVP. If people can't learn how to survive and be cautious with their indy ships then that is their fault.
And yes, even though it is off topic a bit. I find popping indies and PVE ships fun and rewarding. I get the loot, they go home in a pod or less.

And them successfully evading you is also PVP, it just means they won.

And them successfully evading you is also PVP, it just means they won.

PVP = Player vs Player
Killing indy ships is still PVP. If people can't learn how to survive and be cautious with their indy ships then that is their fault.
And yes, even though it is off topic a bit. I find popping indies and PVE ships fun and rewarding. I get the loot, they go home in a pod or less.

This is what I am talking about. Without a large camp using frigates specifically to decloak there is no way to counter "ships ready to travel" without getting lucky and having the ship spawn close to one of yours. Like I said earlier outside 8k in lowsec even with a cruiser and you will not decloak the guy. The acceleration curve of the decloak ship and time between the cloakers appearance make 10 seconds too short.

Ships that aren't covert ships should not have the option of performing like this. Drones assigned for decloaking assumes he stays cloaked and tries to hide btw. They do nothing for people doing a mwd cloak trick.

I don't know why you think that ships should be completely powerless against gatecamps. Ganks that you are completely powerless to stop or prevent are bad game design. Ganks that you ~may be able to~ prevent with the correct planning and forethought (in this case: If you're smart enough to remember to travel fit your ship) are good game design.

Just changed "can" to "may be able to" to prevent people from misunderstanding this and prolonging this abortion of a thread.

This is what I am talking about.

So the truth behind this thread comes out, you want easy wins.
Try a Roam, no need to worry about the cloak + MWD trick there.
Just for added fun, a while back I was screwing around with a Black Ops ship and used the cloak + MWD trick and found my sin traveling around 1km/s for a bit.

And you are talking about a cov ops ship fyi. They are actually designed to work like that.
I want to be able to shoot people that wander around lowsec. Having a cloak means they can wander around with impunity. I do roam. Roaming also gets old fast. since people just run past with the same bs trick now and again. Why should there be a game mechanic that allows any ship to avoid pvp?

This is not en exploit, its a valid game mechanic that have been around longer than you have been playing.

I want to be able to shoot people that wander around lowsec. Having a cloak means they can wander around with impunity. And you are talking about a cov ops ship fyi. They are actually designed to work like that. I do roam. Why should there be a game mechanic that allows any ship to avoid pvp?

Why not? Drones decloak cloak + MWDers as well as they do covert ops.

Blops do not get the covert ops cloak.

LOL...(at Rune Scorpio)

You mean its been around longer than this toon...

Doesn't mean it's a good game mechanic. Feels like a broken mechanic, and kinda like cheating when I do it.

Drones follow or go between ships when set to assist. Decloaking that would mean he needs to be between your ship and a fleetmate or somehow behind you when go past him as they follow you. Doesn't make sense for people doing the MWD trick.

I thought drones set to assist orbited the assisted ship? Either way, drones aren't necessary, or you could just use a fast frigate with drones (Dramiel comes to mind) for this