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Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:51:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. If there is a mechanic in Eve that lets us punch each other in station with our little avatars, let us know. Otherwise, yes. Eve Online is a futuristic science fiction Internet Spaceship game, and we are all anonymous mouthbreathers who don't pay attention to some histrionic tool, just killboards and, you know, flying the ships. I saw James315's used toilet paper at an Eve auction. People were seeing The Prophecy of Eve in its poop patterns like tea leaves. Every once in a while he makes an ok point, but even a clock that is wrong is right twice a day. Futuristic science fiction Internet clocks say 88:88 when they break, they aren't right twice a day, but are always wrong. Kinda like a poster in these forums named after a famously nutritious cruciferous vegetable.
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:56:00 -
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cowards?
Get real this is a bloody game people can do what they want...or don't want... |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:02:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated.
I deny it.
See how easy that was?
Apply your mind, capable of apprending the complexity of EVE, to the website full of that 'spew', and try to perceive the complexity there as well. Or not, read it with dismay like a highsec miner, unable to discern anything but the most literal layer. Your choice. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1575
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:02:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315??? Why is it important that we remember him? Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. Voter response is quite good this time around: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg |

baltec1
Bat Country
6012
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:03:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Bunch of cowards.
What I see is someone using the exact same mechanics as the bears use to avoid bad thing from happening to them. what i see is constant anger towards carebears from people who use carebear-like methods to protect themself from carebear-like dangers. What i don't see is: where is this magic thing which separates carebears and non-carebears in this situation
One of them causes more explosions and rage while the other brings us crushed rocks of differing texture and value. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1575
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Bunch of cowards. Truly, calling out James 315 and his New Order as cowards is the surest way to get them to change their ways. Their lack of e-honour can only be addressed with righteous statements such as this. Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. Voter response is quite good this time around: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg |

Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:12:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote:
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated.
I deny it. See how easy that was? Apply your mind, capable of apprending the complexity of EVE, to the website full of that 'spew', and try to perceive the complexity there as well. Or not, read it with dismay like a highsec miner, unable to discern anything but the most literal layer. Your choice.
I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Frying Doom
2355
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:21:00 -
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duckmonster wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
Isn't it time you you manned up to your moral responsibilities and pay your mining license like your supposed to. Think of it as a donation to the betterment of high sec. James isn't your enemy, he's trying to gently help you via bumping and ganking. Its an act of kindness, and you should do the honorable thing , and live up to your side of the bargain and pay the man for his kind hearted work. When you pay a mining fee and refrain from bot aspirant behavior, it acknowledges the important lesson you have been taught, that lesson of course being "Pay your mining fee and don't engage in bot aspirant behavior". Nobody likes a freeloader, Frying Doom, especially a freeloader who leaches off his teachers. In a sense, its sort of like griefing. Please stop griefing James. Well I would pay James his mining license. Except unfortunately I am not a Hi-sec dweller, so for it to have any meaning, james would have to leave hi-sec.
Now this would cost him a fortune in nappies as he would constantly be wetting himself. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:22:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Bunch of cowards. Truly, calling out James 315 and his New Order as cowards is the surest way to get them to change their ways. Their lack of e-honour can only be addressed with righteous statements such as this.
Your naivete is hilarious. Surely you jest in ignoring the well known "top ten ways to battle the cowardice of the New Order", (for all know that battling cowards is most difficult and requires numerous tools, or one will surely be defeated by their massed and terrifying cowardice).
10. Bury your head in the ice and orbit the asteroid like an ostrich. The sight of a bared and immobile neck is terrifying to any well-trained swordsman.
9. Write a hysterical petition to the GMs, describing how you lost at EVE.
8. Bring an Orca to rep your retrievers. When the orca goes suspect, the gankers will ignore the retriever and destroy the Orca instead. Victory for the miners! Unless the retriever is afk, then it will still be destroyed later. :(
7. Begin to create a website, but never update it. This neglect proves that the gankers are never 'getting to you', or you'd be motivated to update the website.
6. Invoke the strawberry.
5. Write another petition to the GM's, since your first was obviously lost in a solar flare.
4. Reship from your mining barge to a frigate and fly around at a high speed. Surely this will accomplish something?
3. Vote for the fake highsec candidates that the NO is awoxing the CSM with, like -redacted- and -redacted- .
2. Return to the petition form, this time adding that "my uncle is a LAWYER".
1. Last but not least: proving your intent to fight the New Order with deeds not words, by wardeccing a 1-man corp which you know will evade, instead of wardeccing a 50-man alliance of New Order members which you know would actually fight back, which has existed for months and been advertised as such. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:29:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner.
You're posting quite a few times about highsec, for someone who doesn't care about it at all.
So let's get this straight: at first you were complaining that the NO was gullible. Now you're saying that sure, you know there are elements of satire and irony involved in the NO, but that you really have issues with the NO because it's not 'relevant to EVE's major problems?".
Well:
1. It IS actually relevant to EVE's major problems, because while carebear power creep is only one issue, it's the one which has killed more MMO's than any other single issue.
2. Even if 1. weren't true, it's laughable to attack a group of EVE players for not being "serious enough" and "having too much fun." That attack presupposes it's own futility: if the target really isn't serious, then they won't care about the attack. If they do care about the attack, then they aren't that nonserious. It's an oxymoronic accusation.
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Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:56:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote: I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner.
You're posting quite a few times about highsec, for someone who doesn't care about it at all. So let's get this straight: at first you were complaining that the NO was gullible. Now you're saying that sure, you know there are elements of satire and irony involved in the NO, but that you really have issues with the NO because it's not 'relevant to EVE's major problems?". Well: 1. It IS actually relevant to EVE's major problems, because while carebear power creep is only one issue, it's the one which has killed more MMO's than any other single issue. 2. Even if 1. weren't true, it's laughable to attack a group of EVE players for not being "serious enough" and "having too much fun." That attack presupposes it's own futility: if the target really isn't serious, then they won't care about the attack. If they do care about the attack, then they aren't that nonserious. It's an oxymoronic accusation.
This would be more concerning if Eve was like other MMOs, but it has non-consensual pvp on as a default (which is cool). I am posting about hisec because I have an opinion, but it still won't affect me in the same way. I am honestly flabbergasted why anyone would think James' plans would save Eve. Player retention, on the other hand, is a very real concern. I never claimed NO was gullible - just that their proposed solutions are so off the mark as to be untenable without affecting a lot of other things. How is there "carebear power creep"? You can still suicide gank, they still don't fleet up, and mining barges are still weak. If it's truly obvious that James is being satirical, then you can't blame players for not really taking it too seriously. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:18:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: This would be more concerning if Eve was like other MMOs, but it has non-consensual pvp on as a default (which is cool).
So did UO, until it didn't anymore.
Kale Eledar wrote:How is there "carebear power creep"? You can still suicide gank, they still don't fleet up, and mining barges are still weak.
If you wait until CBC has destroyed EVE, then it's too late to speak up against it. Just like it was too late to save UO, for the people that waited until the ncpvp switch was flipped to 'OFF'.
Kale Eledar wrote:If it's truly obvious that James is being satirical, then you can't blame players for not really taking it too seriously.
Watch me not blaming those players who don't take it too seriously...........
Stunning, how well I did that. I mean, wow. That's the kind of focused apathy that you have to travel continents to witness, brought right to your screen, free of charge. Well, except for the 100m ISK convenience fee. Just send it to this pilot ingame, with the note "apathy champion fee". Yes you, you have to pay too. And you, the one-hand typist, even you have to pay, no exceptions. |

Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
278
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:33:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: I am honestly flabbergasted why anyone would think James' plans would save Eve.
Eve is based on player created conflict. James creates conflict. -áCorebloodbrothers & Ali Aras for CSM: Ring mining & bottom up income, new player balance, NRDS
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
525
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:49:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:He's using the same mechanics and strategies that carebears use to avoid wars. The only way people will ever be able to get to him is by nerfing the ability to avoid wardecs... which will affect carebears equally as much as people like James. Or by having bumping ships in hisec outside a wardec declared an exploit. Because it's not the players who nerf or buff anything in the game, it's CCP. B..B..B..But sandbox.
B..B..B..But player created content.
The two misnomers above fit well with the New Order theme of perfecting asshattery within the rules.
But the OP shouldn' t rail against New Order. They provide a neccessary comic relief when I get bored. Watching the New Order in "action" is like watching kids with Tourette syndrome trying to perform Shakespeare. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
68
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine. Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

IrJosy
Club 1621 Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:16:00 -
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James 315 is a true hero. |

Frying Doom
2355
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:17:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine. Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that. Yes his methods are totally within the rules
It is just a carebear picking on other carebears.
It is nothing special or heroic.
It is kind of sad really, a carebear teaching other carebears to HTFU, while hiding in a corner and whimpering. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:18:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine.
Great, so you acknowledge you're wrong to bring it up, his methods are totally fine. Glad to hear you admit your mistake.
Kale Eledar wrote:Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that.
yes, EVE is not Ultima Online, thank you Captain Obvious. A slippery slope fallacy would be if someone said "buffing mining ship EHP will bring in more carebears, who will demand more and more carebear nerfs to PVP, driving the PVPers away, and before long EVE will be nothing but 100% carebears, inevitably". this is a fallacy, because real situations have both positive and negative feedback, and so the possibility of a middle ground must be considered. Nothing I said resembles that at all, so if you had any familiarity with slippery slope fallacies whatsoever, you would have not made that silly accusation.
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1173
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:53:00 -
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Who cares about The New Order? Oh wait, The New Order does and tries to make it seem like everyone else does. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
288
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:35:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Who cares about The New Order? Oh wait, The New Order does and tries to make it seem like everyone else does.
If I bump a miner too, does that make me an awesome player which everyone should herald as a hero?
Maybe I should start a blog and preach to the world how I figured out something a brain dead chimpanzee could do if it could figure out how to create an EVE account.
Seriously, mining bumping was funny the first time.
Now its old.
We should just stop talking about it.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
193
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:14:00 -
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Anunzi wrote:Klymer wrote:Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away. So, if GÇ£everyone is blueGÇ¥ how can there be baddies? DidnGÇÖt think that through really did you, vaunted NPC alt character No.4523423.
touchy about having so many 'friends' are we? |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1234
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:James 315 wrote:Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlJames 315 wrote:It's always a pleasure when someone threatens to wardec my humble one-man corp, Experimental Fun Times Corp. I have won every war so far.
Most threats of wardecs are never realized, but occasionally someone will pony up the 50 million isk required to launch the 'dec.
In all, I have been wardecced eight times, with each 'dec defeated by dissolving and reforming the exact same corp. I blogged about this from the beginning, but not everyone reads every MinerBumping post--a mistake, to be sure. 400 million isk of damages have been inflicted in this manner. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back. It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first. This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile. Bunch of cowards.
Why aren't you making threads about how disgusting and cowardly all the highsec bears who do the EXACT same thing are?
If they abuse the mechanics to make it difficult for us, why can't we abuse the mechanics to make it annoying for them?
They're still free to gank us with catalysts.
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Frying Doom
2371
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:12:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:James 315 wrote:Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlJames 315 wrote:It's always a pleasure when someone threatens to wardec my humble one-man corp, Experimental Fun Times Corp. I have won every war so far.
Most threats of wardecs are never realized, but occasionally someone will pony up the 50 million isk required to launch the 'dec.
In all, I have been wardecced eight times, with each 'dec defeated by dissolving and reforming the exact same corp. I blogged about this from the beginning, but not everyone reads every MinerBumping post--a mistake, to be sure. 400 million isk of damages have been inflicted in this manner. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back. It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first. This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile. Bunch of cowards. Why aren't you making threads about how disgusting and cowardly all the highsec bears who do the EXACT same thing are? If they abuse the mechanics to make it difficult for us, why can't we abuse the mechanics to make it annoying for them? They're still free to gank us with catalysts. Most of the Hi-sec bears don't say "I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil."
Oh and James 315 is a Hi-sec bear, there is no difference he is risk adverse, just like any miner. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1234
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:06:00 -
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But James is demonstrably invincible.
You seem to have a problem with the mechanics though, and I agree. We should nerf the hell out of corp-dropping/reforming during wars. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
97
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:12:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315???
More importantly, who are the other 314 James'? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
105
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:26:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Anunzi wrote:Klymer wrote:Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away. So, if GÇ£everyone is blueGÇ¥ how can there be baddies? DidnGÇÖt think that through really did you, vaunted NPC alt character No.4523423. touchy about having so many 'friends' are we?
I'm touchy about out and out fallacies, certainly.
I can't help but notice, you didn't answer my question.
Malcanis for CSM8, Its about damn time.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:02:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315???
A silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
632
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:06:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Knorkor wrote:Who is James315??? A silent guardian... not so silent. at least he was on top of forum spammers for some time. Thanks god today we only hear about him. Maybe some day some players will finally grow so they will stop to mention him on public....
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