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Frying Doom
2347
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:04:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
James 315 wrote:It's always a pleasure when someone threatens to wardec my humble one-man corp, Experimental Fun Times Corp. I have won every war so far.
Most threats of wardecs are never realized, but occasionally someone will pony up the 50 million isk required to launch the 'dec.
In all, I have been wardecced eight times, with each 'dec defeated by dissolving and reforming the exact same corp. I blogged about this from the beginning, but not everyone reads every MinerBumping post--a mistake, to be sure. 400 million isk of damages have been inflicted in this manner. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/
For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back.
It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

Dave Stark
2635
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:06:00 -
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you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
662
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:10:00 -
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Seems like a legit strategy to me. I mean, it got you mad enough to make this thread, didn't it?
That means he's winning. Oh god. |

Frying Doom
2347
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. No I am saying it is hypocritical to gank unarmed ships and say it is the act of a hero.
Then run like a little girl when ever someone threatens to shoot you. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

baltec1
Bat Country
6006
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Bunch of cowards.
What I see is someone using the exact same mechanics as the bears use to avoid bad thing from happening to them.
Are you now agreeing that this daft avoidence of war decs is wrong and should be stopped? |

Frying Doom
2347
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Bunch of cowards.
What I see is someone using the exact same mechanics as the bears useto aviod bad thing from happening to them. Are you now agreeing that this daft avoidence of war decs is wrong and should be stopped? You mean the bears he whines about as a blight on hi-sec? Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

baltec1
Bat Country
6006
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: You mean the bears he whines about as a blight on hi-sec?
What better way to show the problem?
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Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
23
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:20:00 -
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Who is James315??? |

Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
64
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:21:00 -
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I'll just leave this here |

Dave Stark
2636
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. No I am saying it is hypocritical to gank unarmed ships and say it is the act of a hero. Then run like a little girl when ever someone threatens to shoot you.
actually that sounds perfectly fine to me.
if people want to allow themselves to be ganked, i don't see an issue. if you choose not to be shot at when you have an option of not being shot at, i don't see an issue. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2241
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back.
It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
You are aware that he's pulling off a brilliant move... right?
He's using the same mechanics and strategies that carebears use to avoid wars. The only way people will ever be able to get to him is by nerfing the ability to avoid wardecs... which will affect carebears equally as much as people like James.
And until then, James will continue to antagonize people and make them wish for a way to get back at him... which will increase such calls to prevent war avoidance.
It's utterly brilliant!! Its like trying to shoot the Hulk to stop it... but it only makes the Hulk stronger.  Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:37:00 -
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Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
373
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:38:00 -
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I really like his style, i have to say, even though he represents many of the things i dislike. But if anything represents the true sandbox nature of EvE, James 315 certainly comes close.
Though i highly recommend everyone to NOT sign up to the "new order". You're basicly paying someone not to hassle you. Similar examples of real-world comparisons lead to indicate that such appeasement ultimately lead to further problems.
His blog makes an amusing read though.  Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
624
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Bunch of cowards.
What I see is someone using the exact same mechanics as the bears use to avoid bad thing from happening to them. what i see is constant anger towards carebears from people who use carebear-like methods.
What i don't see is: where is this magic thing which separates carebears and non-carebears in this situation
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3245
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:46:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:He's using the same mechanics and strategies that carebears use to avoid wars. The only way people will ever be able to get to him is by nerfing the ability to avoid wardecs... which will affect carebears equally as much as people like James.
Or by having bumping ships in hisec outside a wardec declared an exploit.
Because it's not the players who nerf or buff anything in the game, it's CCP.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Feer Truelight
105
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Posted - 2013.04.17 10:54:00 -
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Came in to read miner tears. Left satisfied. That awkward moment when I'm salvaging a Minmatar wreck and after 10 minutes the player starts shooting at me.
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Ai Shun
931
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. No I am saying it is hypocritical to gank unarmed ships and say it is the act of a hero. Then run like a little girl when ever someone threatens to shoot you.
Okay. Now what?
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Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
98
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:21:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away.
So, if GÇ£everyone is blueGÇ¥ how can there be baddies?
DidnGÇÖt think that through really did you, vaunted NPC alt character No.4523423.
Malcanis for CSM8, Its about damn time.
A vote for Malcanis is a vote for bacon! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7531
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:57:00 -
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look how mad you are! mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
729
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:29:00 -
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For months now, I've been trying to get Frying Doom to learn the difference between to, too, two, there, their, and they're.
There is still much work to be done. |

Mike Mulder
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:37:00 -
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Um, so get some of your miner buddies to actually be at their keyboards and fit some destroyers and go gank his ass. Oh but wait...James' Stabber fit doesn't include any guns, so you'd be ganking an unarmed ship. What a dilemma!
*disclaimer: Not a member or associate of New Order. I do, however, find the psychotic miner rantings on his blog to be effin hilarious. Please continue to cry, rage, and wish harm on people IRL over losing internet spaceships in a game where the economy is based on losing internet spaceships. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:42:00 -
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Stealing his corp name while he is in a Blood lines corp after disbanding to avoid your war dec, that I would call a win. Then when he recreates his corp if he uses a name that is to similar petition his corp name.  |

stoicfaux
2589
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. No I am saying it is hypocritical to gank unarmed ships and say it is the act of a hero. Wait, are you talking about Eve or real life?
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Corez Fumimasa
Precinct 13
3
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:47:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315??? James is the savior of highsec, nay. James is the savior of all New Eden!
He brings wisdom to the slovenly, ill fed, misguided masses in the form of deeds and inspirational speech. Thank you Frying Doom for sharing these gems of thought and truth with us.
Long live James and the New Order! |

duckmonster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:[quote=James 315] It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
Isn't it time you you manned up to your moral responsibilities and pay your mining license like your supposed to. Think of it as a donation to the betterment of high sec.
James isn't your enemy, he's trying to gently help you via bumping and ganking. Its an act of kindness, and you should do the honorable thing , and live up to your side of the bargain and pay the man.
Nobody likes a freeloader, especially a freeloader who leaches off his teachers. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
502
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:No I am saying it is hypocritical to gank unarmed ships and say it is the act of a hero.
At a bare minimum, all ships flown by Eve players are armed with a mark 1 human brain. If a pilot can't use theirs, the saviour of highsec is in no way to blame. James is a hero because he brings Eve to many people who are sitting around highsec belts playing not-Eve.
Frying Doom wrote:Then run like a little girl when ever someone threatens to shoot you.
He screams like a warrior while tearing toward code-violating ships and showering them with holy antimatter, but I've never heard him scream like a girl, nor run away.
March rabbit wrote:What i don't see is: where is this magic thing which separates carebears and non-carebears in this situation
The carebears want to log in and play not-Eve. The non-carebears log in and play Eve. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:48:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back.
It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
I agree completely. War dec evasion should be nerfed, so that miners can no longer evade war decs so easily. I mean, so the cowardly New Order can no longer evade war decs so easily. I am completely unaware of the fact that James and the rest of the New Order started the New Order because they saw first hand how easy it is to avoid decs, since they were in war dec corporation prior to starting the NO. Due to my ignorance, I agree with Frying Doom 100% and join his call to nerf dec evasion. |

Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. If there is a mechanic in Eve that lets us punch each other in station with our little avatars, let us know. Otherwise, yes. Eve Online is a futuristic science fiction Internet Spaceship game, and we are all anonymous mouthbreathers who don't pay attention to some histrionic tool, just killboards and, you know, flying the ships. I saw James315's used toilet paper at an Eve auction. People were seeing The Prophecy of Eve in its poop patterns like tea leaves. Every once in a while he makes an ok point, but even a clock that is wrong is right twice a day. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Wodensun
ZeroSec
88
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:38:00 -
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I mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!!!!!111!
Now what was this thread about? |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:43:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. If there is a mechanic in Eve that lets us punch each other in station with our little avatars, let us know. Otherwise, yes. Eve Online is a futuristic science fiction Internet Spaceship game, and we are all anonymous mouthbreathers who don't pay attention to some histrionic tool, just killboards and, you know, flying the ships. I saw James315's used toilet paper at an Eve auction. People were seeing The Prophecy of Eve in its poop patterns like tea leaves. Every once in a while he makes an ok point, but even a clock that is wrong is right twice a day.
Futuristic science fiction Internet clocks say 88:88 when they break, they aren't right twice a day, but are always wrong. Kinda like a poster in these forums named after a famously nutritious cruciferous vegetable. |

Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:51:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you imply the only way to fight is to undock in a ship. you are wrong. If there is a mechanic in Eve that lets us punch each other in station with our little avatars, let us know. Otherwise, yes. Eve Online is a futuristic science fiction Internet Spaceship game, and we are all anonymous mouthbreathers who don't pay attention to some histrionic tool, just killboards and, you know, flying the ships. I saw James315's used toilet paper at an Eve auction. People were seeing The Prophecy of Eve in its poop patterns like tea leaves. Every once in a while he makes an ok point, but even a clock that is wrong is right twice a day. Futuristic science fiction Internet clocks say 88:88 when they break, they aren't right twice a day, but are always wrong. Kinda like a poster in these forums named after a famously nutritious cruciferous vegetable.
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:56:00 -
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cowards?
Get real this is a bloody game people can do what they want...or don't want... |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:02:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated.
I deny it.
See how easy that was?
Apply your mind, capable of apprending the complexity of EVE, to the website full of that 'spew', and try to perceive the complexity there as well. Or not, read it with dismay like a highsec miner, unable to discern anything but the most literal layer. Your choice. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1575
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:02:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315??? Why is it important that we remember him? Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. Voter response is quite good this time around: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg |

baltec1
Bat Country
6012
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:03:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Bunch of cowards.
What I see is someone using the exact same mechanics as the bears use to avoid bad thing from happening to them. what i see is constant anger towards carebears from people who use carebear-like methods to protect themself from carebear-like dangers. What i don't see is: where is this magic thing which separates carebears and non-carebears in this situation
One of them causes more explosions and rage while the other brings us crushed rocks of differing texture and value. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1575
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Bunch of cowards. Truly, calling out James 315 and his New Order as cowards is the surest way to get them to change their ways. Their lack of e-honour can only be addressed with righteous statements such as this. Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. Voter response is quite good this time around: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg |

Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:12:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote:
The difference is when I say stupid stuff I acknowledge it. My criticism of him is clearly over the top, but there's no denying he and his followers treat every precious bon-mot he spews as gospel. Eve is wayyy more complicated.
I deny it. See how easy that was? Apply your mind, capable of apprending the complexity of EVE, to the website full of that 'spew', and try to perceive the complexity there as well. Or not, read it with dismay like a highsec miner, unable to discern anything but the most literal layer. Your choice.
I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Frying Doom
2355
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:21:00 -
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duckmonster wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first.
This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile.
Bunch of cowards.
Isn't it time you you manned up to your moral responsibilities and pay your mining license like your supposed to. Think of it as a donation to the betterment of high sec. James isn't your enemy, he's trying to gently help you via bumping and ganking. Its an act of kindness, and you should do the honorable thing , and live up to your side of the bargain and pay the man for his kind hearted work. When you pay a mining fee and refrain from bot aspirant behavior, it acknowledges the important lesson you have been taught, that lesson of course being "Pay your mining fee and don't engage in bot aspirant behavior". Nobody likes a freeloader, Frying Doom, especially a freeloader who leaches off his teachers. In a sense, its sort of like griefing. Please stop griefing James. Well I would pay James his mining license. Except unfortunately I am not a Hi-sec dweller, so for it to have any meaning, james would have to leave hi-sec.
Now this would cost him a fortune in nappies as he would constantly be wetting himself. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:22:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Bunch of cowards. Truly, calling out James 315 and his New Order as cowards is the surest way to get them to change their ways. Their lack of e-honour can only be addressed with righteous statements such as this.
Your naivete is hilarious. Surely you jest in ignoring the well known "top ten ways to battle the cowardice of the New Order", (for all know that battling cowards is most difficult and requires numerous tools, or one will surely be defeated by their massed and terrifying cowardice).
10. Bury your head in the ice and orbit the asteroid like an ostrich. The sight of a bared and immobile neck is terrifying to any well-trained swordsman.
9. Write a hysterical petition to the GMs, describing how you lost at EVE.
8. Bring an Orca to rep your retrievers. When the orca goes suspect, the gankers will ignore the retriever and destroy the Orca instead. Victory for the miners! Unless the retriever is afk, then it will still be destroyed later. :(
7. Begin to create a website, but never update it. This neglect proves that the gankers are never 'getting to you', or you'd be motivated to update the website.
6. Invoke the strawberry.
5. Write another petition to the GM's, since your first was obviously lost in a solar flare.
4. Reship from your mining barge to a frigate and fly around at a high speed. Surely this will accomplish something?
3. Vote for the fake highsec candidates that the NO is awoxing the CSM with, like -redacted- and -redacted- .
2. Return to the petition form, this time adding that "my uncle is a LAWYER".
1. Last but not least: proving your intent to fight the New Order with deeds not words, by wardeccing a 1-man corp which you know will evade, instead of wardeccing a 50-man alliance of New Order members which you know would actually fight back, which has existed for months and been advertised as such. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:29:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner.
You're posting quite a few times about highsec, for someone who doesn't care about it at all.
So let's get this straight: at first you were complaining that the NO was gullible. Now you're saying that sure, you know there are elements of satire and irony involved in the NO, but that you really have issues with the NO because it's not 'relevant to EVE's major problems?".
Well:
1. It IS actually relevant to EVE's major problems, because while carebear power creep is only one issue, it's the one which has killed more MMO's than any other single issue.
2. Even if 1. weren't true, it's laughable to attack a group of EVE players for not being "serious enough" and "having too much fun." That attack presupposes it's own futility: if the target really isn't serious, then they won't care about the attack. If they do care about the attack, then they aren't that nonserious. It's an oxymoronic accusation.
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Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:56:00 -
[41] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Kale Eledar wrote: I couldn't care less about high security space. I spend most of my time with nullbears. It's okay to be open-minded (I'd like to think I am) but not so open minded that I let garbage fall in, too. My problem is his entire schtick comes off as one-note, cultish, and not really very relevant to Eve's major problems. It's easy to conflate "complexity" with substance. Eve in its entirety IS complex because it's so much more than hisec hisec miner miner.
You're posting quite a few times about highsec, for someone who doesn't care about it at all. So let's get this straight: at first you were complaining that the NO was gullible. Now you're saying that sure, you know there are elements of satire and irony involved in the NO, but that you really have issues with the NO because it's not 'relevant to EVE's major problems?". Well: 1. It IS actually relevant to EVE's major problems, because while carebear power creep is only one issue, it's the one which has killed more MMO's than any other single issue. 2. Even if 1. weren't true, it's laughable to attack a group of EVE players for not being "serious enough" and "having too much fun." That attack presupposes it's own futility: if the target really isn't serious, then they won't care about the attack. If they do care about the attack, then they aren't that nonserious. It's an oxymoronic accusation.
This would be more concerning if Eve was like other MMOs, but it has non-consensual pvp on as a default (which is cool). I am posting about hisec because I have an opinion, but it still won't affect me in the same way. I am honestly flabbergasted why anyone would think James' plans would save Eve. Player retention, on the other hand, is a very real concern. I never claimed NO was gullible - just that their proposed solutions are so off the mark as to be untenable without affecting a lot of other things. How is there "carebear power creep"? You can still suicide gank, they still don't fleet up, and mining barges are still weak. If it's truly obvious that James is being satirical, then you can't blame players for not really taking it too seriously. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:18:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: This would be more concerning if Eve was like other MMOs, but it has non-consensual pvp on as a default (which is cool).
So did UO, until it didn't anymore.
Kale Eledar wrote:How is there "carebear power creep"? You can still suicide gank, they still don't fleet up, and mining barges are still weak.
If you wait until CBC has destroyed EVE, then it's too late to speak up against it. Just like it was too late to save UO, for the people that waited until the ncpvp switch was flipped to 'OFF'.
Kale Eledar wrote:If it's truly obvious that James is being satirical, then you can't blame players for not really taking it too seriously.
Watch me not blaming those players who don't take it too seriously...........
Stunning, how well I did that. I mean, wow. That's the kind of focused apathy that you have to travel continents to witness, brought right to your screen, free of charge. Well, except for the 100m ISK convenience fee. Just send it to this pilot ingame, with the note "apathy champion fee". Yes you, you have to pay too. And you, the one-hand typist, even you have to pay, no exceptions. |

Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
278
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:33:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote: I am honestly flabbergasted why anyone would think James' plans would save Eve.
Eve is based on player created conflict. James creates conflict. -áCorebloodbrothers & Ali Aras for CSM: Ring mining & bottom up income, new player balance, NRDS
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
525
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:49:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:He's using the same mechanics and strategies that carebears use to avoid wars. The only way people will ever be able to get to him is by nerfing the ability to avoid wardecs... which will affect carebears equally as much as people like James. Or by having bumping ships in hisec outside a wardec declared an exploit. Because it's not the players who nerf or buff anything in the game, it's CCP. B..B..B..But sandbox.
B..B..B..But player created content.
The two misnomers above fit well with the New Order theme of perfecting asshattery within the rules.
But the OP shouldn' t rail against New Order. They provide a neccessary comic relief when I get bored. Watching the New Order in "action" is like watching kids with Tourette syndrome trying to perform Shakespeare. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Kale Eledar
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
68
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine. Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that. First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. |

IrJosy
Club 1621 Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:16:00 -
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James 315 is a true hero. |

Frying Doom
2355
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:17:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine. Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that. Yes his methods are totally within the rules
It is just a carebear picking on other carebears.
It is nothing special or heroic.
It is kind of sad really, a carebear teaching other carebears to HTFU, while hiding in a corner and whimpering. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:18:00 -
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Kale Eledar wrote:Except the devs are on board with keeping non-consensual pvp intact and have been quoted as such many, many times. This is precisely why his methods are totally fine.
Great, so you acknowledge you're wrong to bring it up, his methods are totally fine. Glad to hear you admit your mistake.
Kale Eledar wrote:Eve is not Ultima Online. The entire thing is a slippery slope argument, and a bad one at that.
yes, EVE is not Ultima Online, thank you Captain Obvious. A slippery slope fallacy would be if someone said "buffing mining ship EHP will bring in more carebears, who will demand more and more carebear nerfs to PVP, driving the PVPers away, and before long EVE will be nothing but 100% carebears, inevitably". this is a fallacy, because real situations have both positive and negative feedback, and so the possibility of a middle ground must be considered. Nothing I said resembles that at all, so if you had any familiarity with slippery slope fallacies whatsoever, you would have not made that silly accusation.
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1173
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:53:00 -
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Who cares about The New Order? Oh wait, The New Order does and tries to make it seem like everyone else does. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
288
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:35:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Who cares about The New Order? Oh wait, The New Order does and tries to make it seem like everyone else does.
If I bump a miner too, does that make me an awesome player which everyone should herald as a hero?
Maybe I should start a blog and preach to the world how I figured out something a brain dead chimpanzee could do if it could figure out how to create an EVE account.
Seriously, mining bumping was funny the first time.
Now its old.
We should just stop talking about it.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
193
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:14:00 -
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Anunzi wrote:Klymer wrote:Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away. So, if GÇ£everyone is blueGÇ¥ how can there be baddies? DidnGÇÖt think that through really did you, vaunted NPC alt character No.4523423.
touchy about having so many 'friends' are we? |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1234
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:James 315 wrote:Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlJames 315 wrote:It's always a pleasure when someone threatens to wardec my humble one-man corp, Experimental Fun Times Corp. I have won every war so far.
Most threats of wardecs are never realized, but occasionally someone will pony up the 50 million isk required to launch the 'dec.
In all, I have been wardecced eight times, with each 'dec defeated by dissolving and reforming the exact same corp. I blogged about this from the beginning, but not everyone reads every MinerBumping post--a mistake, to be sure. 400 million isk of damages have been inflicted in this manner. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back. It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first. This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile. Bunch of cowards.
Why aren't you making threads about how disgusting and cowardly all the highsec bears who do the EXACT same thing are?
If they abuse the mechanics to make it difficult for us, why can't we abuse the mechanics to make it annoying for them?
They're still free to gank us with catalysts.
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Frying Doom
2371
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:12:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:James 315 wrote:Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlJames 315 wrote:It's always a pleasure when someone threatens to wardec my humble one-man corp, Experimental Fun Times Corp. I have won every war so far.
Most threats of wardecs are never realized, but occasionally someone will pony up the 50 million isk required to launch the 'dec.
In all, I have been wardecced eight times, with each 'dec defeated by dissolving and reforming the exact same corp. I blogged about this from the beginning, but not everyone reads every MinerBumping post--a mistake, to be sure. 400 million isk of damages have been inflicted in this manner. Source: http://www.minerbumping.com/For months I have been saying that those in the New Order are nothing but a bunch of cowards, to scared to fight anyone that might shoot back. It is so nice when James 315, admits he is too cowardly to fight against targets that want to shoot first. This is why the New order are in Hi-sec, they hide behind CONCORD, using them for protection while at the same time abusing those people with enough guts to fly around in a ship that cannot mount a turret or missile. Bunch of cowards. Why aren't you making threads about how disgusting and cowardly all the highsec bears who do the EXACT same thing are? If they abuse the mechanics to make it difficult for us, why can't we abuse the mechanics to make it annoying for them? They're still free to gank us with catalysts. Most of the Hi-sec bears don't say "I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil."
Oh and James 315 is a Hi-sec bear, there is no difference he is risk adverse, just like any miner. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1234
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:06:00 -
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But James is demonstrably invincible.
You seem to have a problem with the mechanics though, and I agree. We should nerf the hell out of corp-dropping/reforming during wars. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
97
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:12:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315???
More importantly, who are the other 314 James'? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
105
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Posted - 2013.04.18 10:26:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Anunzi wrote:Klymer wrote:Yeah I don't know why people bother will the silly wardec mechanics and fees.
Much simpler to move into one of the null regions where everyone is blue to you and intel channels will alert you to the presence of baddies while they're still 20 jumps away. So, if GÇ£everyone is blueGÇ¥ how can there be baddies? DidnGÇÖt think that through really did you, vaunted NPC alt character No.4523423. touchy about having so many 'friends' are we?
I'm touchy about out and out fallacies, certainly.
I can't help but notice, you didn't answer my question.
Malcanis for CSM8, Its about damn time.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:02:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Who is James315???
A silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
632
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:06:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Knorkor wrote:Who is James315??? A silent guardian... not so silent. at least he was on top of forum spammers for some time. Thanks god today we only hear about him. Maybe some day some players will finally grow so they will stop to mention him on public....
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