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NegDuke
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:17:00 -
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Is it me or are the EVE servers still down, only just come back on after a few days, just wondering if its my machine not picking them up.
Cheers
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Bogusheadbox
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:19:00 -
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I beleive the news on the eve last night reported an extended downtime today for servicing of the server cluster.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:19:00 -
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two words:
EXTENDED DOWNTIME
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:20:00 -
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Today is Extended Downtime :D
Extended downtime 30th July 11:00-13:00 GMT
We need to schedule an extented 2 hour downtime tomorrow, 30th of July. This is needed to run periodic maintenance on the cluster.
2003.07.28
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Bigman
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:21:00 -
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K cheers just checking. My Eve browser wasnt loading the news so couldnt check.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: PropanElgen on 30/07/2003 13:22:36
Well it's now 13:22 and the server is still not up..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Dark Elf
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:26:00 -
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And still its down 
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:28:00 -
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Yes hmmpf...
If they are going to have an extended downtime anyways then just extend it long enough!!
its 13:24 it should have been up 24 minutes ago. Why not just say extended till 14h?! This looks bad and its annoying to top it off, extending it for 'a long enough time' would look better on the devteam...
Now everyone is left in the dark again. What are we supposed to think now? 'OMG what the hell are they doing, are they screwing up majorly or something??'. If they would announce a longer extention people would get more of an idea that the downtimes and maintanance are progressing seemlessly 
 Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: PropanElgen on 30/07/2003 13:29:35
I think someone accidentally did a "DROP DATABASE EVE;" on their SQL-server and they don't have a backup 
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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NegDuke
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:30:00 -
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Lol its 14:29 here and im just hoping there making it better and not losing all my money  . Just geared myself up to do some mining too.
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Bigman
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:31:00 -
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120
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:31:00 -
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how many minutes in 2hours?
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Saffron
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:31:00 -
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Server half an hour late coming back up.. Does this happen often? Please tell me it doesn't. |
Dark Elf
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:32:00 -
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Picked a bad day to take of work to play didn't I. Kids back soon as well
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:35:00 -
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that's what I thought Bigman, looks like ccp are trying to reinvent the clock.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
SW Bobegubu
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:35:00 -
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Quote:
Server half an hour late coming back up.. Does this happen often? Please tell me it doesn't.
LOL
It's rare for the server to be less than half an hour late coming back up.
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Queen Claire
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:36:00 -
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30 more min I wait, then screw this for today...
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TFC Arathorn
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:36:00 -
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I'm GMT+8 so I find very annoying to get up at 6am to play and then stare at the screen for an hour waiting for the server to come up.
It would have been nice to know if I could have slept until 7am.
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Bigman
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:43:00 -
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tum ti tum, getting bored now lol.
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:43:00 -
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why not add an extra hour besides the estimate each time the downtime is extended so ppl can actually do something more important than sit and wait? how come they never get this right at ccp? 
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Bruce Karrde
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:44:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: PropanElgen on 30/07/2003 13:29:35
I think someone accidentally did a "DROP DATABASE EVE;" on their SQL-server and they don't have a backup
lol you prolly know how many people will quit eve then :D
damn .. 2-3 months training all gone :P
would be funny to see every1 stress though
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:45:00 -
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Saffron : the server is never ever back online at the published time. On average it's 20 minutes after the time that they state before anyone can login.
As an aside - I don't know why the hell they don't change the published times. They know how long the cluster takes to "boot", so why **** people around by stating incorrect downtime every damn day!
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:52:00 -
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45 minutes blablah...
Could someone from the devteam please take 1/2 of those 45 extra minutes they have had and post what we can expect the second coming of tranquilty??
*goes away and slaps a dvd in the drive*
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Queen Claire
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:54:00 -
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Oh man, this is redicilous... Just wrote a post about how much trouble and problems and 33% of time played just wating for help, server or cleaning up from prevoius probles, now the board chrashed and my messegare wiped out. Argh. Oh well... I guess I give it a few days.
Unlike some people I dont have 24 h day free for EVE, I sit down when I got time to play, and then, it's screwed up... *sigh*. Oh well...
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:56:00 -
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:(
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.07.30 13:57:00 -
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at least i know i'm not alone waiting, just sitting here. i was gonig to go watch a movie too.
ack....staring at screen
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Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter
dev chat: Mar 18, 2004
hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S "
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AngelThunder
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:01:00 -
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Jeez, have you guys have no lives? I can't believe you're *****ing over 30 minutes, even an hour. Bah, go out, breath some fresh air, it's good for you.
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:01:00 -
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It's a whole hour after it was supposed to be back up... It's been down THREE hours now... still nothing.
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CrowGoblin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:02:00 -
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I have to agree with some of the other guys up here, why have notices saying that the daily downtime is 1 hour, when I've yet to see the servers back up within that hour, they are always late. So CCP have known, on a daily basis how long it takes to reboot the servers, and still they are trying to bluff people with the 1 hour joke. 
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Queen Claire
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:02:00 -
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oh, this is so... pathetic... servers down, 1h late... website and board is falling apart... *sigh*
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:03:00 -
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The blog was just updated, servers should be back at 14:00 GMT.
Ciao, Aronis!
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:03:00 -
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At this point I would expect ccp to have the common sense to post an explanation and an apology. I hate it when publishers abuse their customers.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Phat
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Phat on 30/07/2003 14:04:45
adĄdicĄtion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dkshn)
n.
The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something.
An instance of this: had an addiction for fast cars.
Yup thats me.
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Saffron
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:04:00 -
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this is insane!! I'm off to do something else.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 30/07/2003 14:07:48
IZON : I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that apology/explanation if I was you 
Aronis : no you are mistaken. What they actually mean is that the server may start to be rebooted at 14:00. In that case it'll be up by around 14:20 or so.
Dear God even SOE are better than this (and God knows they don't have a great reputation)...
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:05:00 -
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HAHAHAHA... Too bad they don't have a QA link, so we can provide feedback about customer service and community frustration...
But, they probably wouldn't answer that either :)
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Xaar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:06:00 -
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my guess is that they're having some hardware problems. Cannot imagine though why those servers have to be down for an hour each days...perhaps to take back-ups or so. They should do that online.
--- Free Jade ---
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:07:00 -
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Extended downtime 30th July 11:00-14:00 GMT. Server Maintainance.
Question
Why is the server down?
Answer
Extended Downtime.
We need to schedule an extented 3 hour downtime tomorrow, 30th of July. This is needed to run periodic maintenance on the cluster.
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Celina
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:08:00 -
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damn them! I saw that earlier. They changed it.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:09:00 -
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Aye they have changed it. Do you really expect anything like honesty from them though?
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:09:00 -
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Jeez, it's only been like this since... forever. Dont' forget your CCP to real time calculations people...
1 Hour IRL = 60 min
1 Hour CCP = 65-90 min
You'd think you would have gotten used to it by now and adjusted... go outside or better yet, take a bath or something...some of you are rather ripe
At least they didn't trip over the power cord again...
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:09:00 -
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Isnt it 14:00 GMT now, though?
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: PropanElgen on 30/07/2003 14:11:11
Yeah in the dev blog it says it will be up at 14:00 GMT.
It's now 14:09 GMT, and the server isn't even starting up.
Why do they keep taking a **** on their customers? They should know who is paying their wages..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Xaar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:10:00 -
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well...14h00 GMT.
It should be up now then :-)
Well, it isn't :(
Time for a refund imo
--- Free Jade ---
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:12:00 -
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No. I'm GMT +1 and it's 16:00 here. I'm not sure how daylight savings tuime affects the whole thing though...
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:13:00 -
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SO may people are chomping at the bit to be able to get on and exploit the weakness in CCP's market system.. Can't blame em really.. since the difference between loggin in immediately after down time and 30 minutes after down time is multiple millions of dollars on the trade market.
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Dark Elf
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:15:00 -
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Well I dont trade and I am chomping at the bit - kids home in 15 mins so whats the bet thats when the server comes up
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:15:00 -
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Quote:
their time is screwed up. I'm in the UK, and either I've been living 1 hour late for as long as I can remember, or they really need to move the time forward an hour.
Not really, they always take the server down at the right time
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Saffron
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:15:00 -
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their time is screwed up. I'm in the UK, and either I've been living 1 hour late for as long as I can remember, or they really need to move the time forward an hour.
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Shikome Alluin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:16:00 -
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hehe... Oki, Im waiting to, and finding the wait tedius as I finshed a skill 5 sec before DT, have now lost 3hrs of training time...
BUT...
even though frustrating, this is life.
Apparently everything under the sun doesnt allways go as planned:P
So Ill quit my whining and breath some of that fresh air somebody mentioned before
Ps. Do I need a skill for that ?? breathing (rank2) is it ??
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Captin Zed
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:17:00 -
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Wow, do you all really just sit there waiting for the servers to come back online ?
Come on, you must know that most things computer related take a little longer than the usual given time :)
Besides, am at work so it does not bother me much :)
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Saffron
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Saffron on 30/07/2003 14:19:10
a LITTLE longer? It's usually an hour.Then it's 2 hours. Then it's late an hour. Now, 17 minutes into the next hour I realise I've been sitting and waiting for way too long.. This time I really am going off to do something else.
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Kaboom22
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:22:00 -
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zzz this is my first post in this place, i dont usually post on forums.
i am rather annoyed. some of us pay for this game ccp and we would like to play it
theres my winge.
blarg
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:23:00 -
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this is lame. |
Xylor
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:23:00 -
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They probably have erased the entire database by accident and are taking the additional time to compose one of those cutesy roleplay messages to explain it.
"Fire at main Federation data processing center destroys all banking records."
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Albert Rum
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:24:00 -
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Hm. I have my free day today - don't have to go to work - wanted to play... - got my first cruiser before downtime - can't await to fit it... - AAAAAAHHHHH - don't force me to play DAoC after 10 Weeks for te first time again.... - AAAAAAH don't force me, to reactivate my Planetside-account (would me cost some Ē).... PLEASE BRING UP THE SERVERS)....
If you don't I have to install ALLEGIANCE AGAIN AND LOOK FOR THE LAST FANSERVER AND TEH LAST DOZEN PLAYERS PROBABLY LEFT ON THAT GREAT GAME FROM 2001..... PLEASE....
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Mangold
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:24:00 -
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I sure hope that they have a good reason for the extra extended downtime. I've got an hour left to play before I've got to go. I really want to check the market before that.
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Xeria
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:24:00 -
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This is just unbelievable that they actually want us to beta test a game and pay for it at the same time yet any problems we find they donĘt even fix i.e. instead of trying to sort crash to desktop problems they changed the round dot to a tick. Which was absolutely no need for. The time that is spent on the game is so great that when you lose it due to crashes to desktop or rollback it just makes it pointless. Is it any reason that the game is losing popularity if CCP done something about it maybe then the game would be more successful. I will not be buying any more games made by CCP as the expensive maintenance cost and all the bugs make the game not worth playing Soo whats CCP gonna do about this
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I places an excellent hit on arkad [MOO], inflicting 702.3 damage.
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acco
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:26:00 -
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Hey, calm down.
This doesn't happened every day but rather once in a month. Better late then never
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:26:00 -
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lol albert you played allegiance? me too. what was your name? did you play on az when it was up? if not you probably havent heard of me.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Orestes on 30/07/2003 14:27:26
<TomB> 12-17 minutes
:)
- Orestes
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Mandible
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:28:00 -
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Well what has been buggering me mostly is....The total lack of news. Nowhere on the official side can i find anything on the extended extended downtime and why. Or am i looking with my yes closed=
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:29:00 -
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sweet...finally i can fly my rupture for the first time and see how much it sucks firsthand compared to moa/maller/thorax/blackbird!
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:30:00 -
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Quote:
their time is screwed up. I'm in the UK, and either I've been living 1 hour late for as long as I can remember, or they really need to move the time forward an hour.
ive always thoaught that, the servers aint GMT, unless the UK is suddenly become GMT +1 without my knowladge?
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:30:00 -
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I don't want to be rude or anything, I respect your opinions. I would like to play EVE now too, but, if this extended downtime is for maintenance, and if they are squashing the database, defragging disks, changing hardware, *insert whatever here*, then it's a good thing.
I remember the last maintenance, the market came up faster, lots of things were a bit faster too. I don't mind waiting a bit more. Let's have some patience... maybe they will fix some problems now ingame. btw, I don't think they simply unplugged the servers and are drinking beer.
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:31:00 -
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They must have a serious freaking problem on their hands. Like the Uberbug from hell. Yeah that's it, this freaking Uberbug just leaped out from from nowhere and is chasing half the dev team 'round the office. That's my guess 'an I'm sticking with it.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:32:00 -
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Alright... 31 minutes after their new prediction... nothing yet?
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Jean
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:34:00 -
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Quote:
I remember the last maintenance, the market came up faster, lots of things were a bit faster too. I don't mind waiting a bit more. Let's have some patience... maybe they will fix some problems now ingame. btw, I don't think they simply unplugged the servers and are drinking beer.
Maybe they are trying to open all those secure containers you guys jettisoned in Elonaya near the gate. LOL
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Starwolf
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:34:00 -
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Hanns
You gotta learn to tell the time mate.
UK is running on BST at the moment (yep, that's right British Summer Time or GMT +1 hour)
Sorry dude
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:35:00 -
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Uberbug: I KEEL YOU ALL!
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:35:00 -
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lol I saw all those secure containers too... That was hilarious... It was -so- tempting to blow them up... but, being CEO and all, I didnt want to start a war blindly ;)
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Ikara
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:37:00 -
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The UK is on Summer time (BST), which is GMT + 1. Happens every year 
Quote:
ive always thoaught that, the servers aint GMT, unless the UK is suddenly become GMT +1 without my knowladge?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:38:00 -
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Man and I thought I served the whine well! 
The servers usually go down 5 minutes early but I've had little trouble logging on 15-30 minutes early some days. Them being late today I can live with if they ever sort the market out and go back to the shortened downtime.
Why not take this time to cook something up for the idea lab 
Convert Stations
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Aturayd
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:41:00 -
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Because we have no life besides playing EVE when its on and watching the Login screen when its not.
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Virtuoso
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:42:00 -
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how much of extended downtime we gonna get in the future?
nexttime say you dont know how long it takes! would be apreciated
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:45:00 -
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the big hand points to 3, the small hand points to 8
thats 20 to 4 aint it?
even me being GMT +1 makes that late doesnt it?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Shikome Alluin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:47:00 -
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Its the lack of info that gets us whining like gerbils...
Simple: "Soz guys, We fckt up, correcting now, no worries!!" would suffice...
Bet the devs are sweating now, theyre earning there paycheck today Id say
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:47:00 -
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1hr 45m later than their origional prediction
45m later than their newest prediction.
Argh.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:48:00 -
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Under Support they put this message:
"Extended extended downtime 30th July 11:00-14+ GMT. Server Maintainance."
Notice that they changed the time from 11:00-13:00 to 14+. Covering themselves.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:49:00 -
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/me looks down back of sofa
I got some spare elastic bands here...will they help fix the servers?
or did they let the hamsters out of the servers again? i know it can take days to catch them all
<-- IT profeesional...knows lots about servers...
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 30/07/2003 14:52:29
Quote:
Hanns
You gotta learn to tell the time mate.
UK is running on BST at the moment (yep, that's right British Summer Time or GMT +1 hour)
Sorry dude
ergh my bad :/ its just GMT always says london, lisbon ect, and Greenwich is in the UK.
I spend so much time playing eve, i fogot the clocks went forward an hour :D
How dumb do i feel!
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:50:00 -
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Question
Why is the server down?
Answer
Extended Downtime.
We need to schedule an extented 3+ hour downtime tomorrow, 30th of July. This is needed to run periodic maintenance on the cluster.
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:50:00 -
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I'd love to see a live webcam at CCP... that way when everyone starts scurrying around all freaked out, you'd know ahead of time that it's going to be an extended downtime.
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Ravenfire
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:52:00 -
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Hehe this is great, so many people are posting so quickly that I can actually read this thread in realtime!!!
Anyways guys! Lighten up eh! We have all done things that turn out to take longer than expected, and the last thing you want or need is for poeple to be screaming at you...
Lets just give them the time they need to finish
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Kaboom22
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:54:00 -
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yey its starting up, finally
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Shakaar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:54:00 -
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server starting up....
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:54:00 -
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Its up!
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:55:00 -
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/me finds some old bubble gum and a piece of string
hey..CCP will this help?
i'm sure Mcgyver coulda fixed a server with less than that...
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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NegDuke
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:55:00 -
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ermm wohooo
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Shikome Alluin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:56:00 -
[90]
YEEEEAAAAAAAAYYYYY
CCP u teh daddys!
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:57:00 -
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6,5 mins to start the servers - then I've gotta go in 5 minutes. |
Vladameir
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:57:00 -
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:58:00 -
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339 seconds...
Convert Stations
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:58:00 -
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Now we just have to see what it says for news when we log in...
"Databases flushed, lost in battle..."
So we all have to start from square 1 ;)
Are we going to get a new patch?
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:59:00 -
[95]
sweet server going up gj guys |
Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 14:59:00 -
[96]
291 seconds...
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:00:00 -
[97]
sweet server going up gj guys :) |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:00:00 -
[98]
You keep on knocking but you can't come in...
Convert Stations
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:00:00 -
[99]
They are comming up now...
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:01:00 -
[100]
130 seconds...
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:02:00 -
[101]
79 seconds...
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Janeway
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:03:00 -
[102]
With this type of service you can tell why CCP have only got one program for sale.
They might learn one day that the customer needs looking after. Im a network admin and If I gave this type of service I would have been fired.
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:03:00 -
[103]
38 seconds...
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Soriac
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:04:00 -
[104]
UP! ITS RUNNING!
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Monsang
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:13:00 -
[105]
Happy new year! Erm... The servers up!
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Brock
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Posted - 2003.07.30 15:22:00 -
[106]
Did they role play the extended extended downtime for ya?
Don't tell me- one of the Jovians split a cup of coffee over his server rack yeah?
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