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Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:31:00 -
[151] - Quote
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:19:00 -
[152] - Quote
This is a great idea! Every aspect of this is winning!
It will be nice to watch all the high sec thugs have ot go find legitimate targets to shoot. Many will be shocked when these new targets shoot back! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:47:00 -
[153] - Quote
Quote:This is a great idea! Every aspect of this is winning!
It will be nice to watch all the high sec thugs have ot go find legitimate targets to shoot. Many will be shocked when these new targets shoot back!
yeah and then theyll be coming to this very thread crying "no fair! we should be able to shoot people who cant shoot back! this isnt fair ccp!" Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
46
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:39:00 -
[154] - Quote
If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains? |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:43:00 -
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If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?
we exist in a vacuum. the only way to hurt other players is via wardecs. im being sarcastic to make my point, because i want you to read it and feel like a f*cking moron. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
88
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:01:00 -
[156] - Quote
Danks wrote:If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?
I am posting with my main, let me know when your ready to lose some ships. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
112
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:54:00 -
[157] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?we exist in a vacuum. the only way to hurt other players is via wardecs. im being sarcastic to make my point, because i want you to read it and feel like a f*cking moron.
Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long (I'd pay to wardec you permanently based on what I've read here - just for being a shiptoaster)
But also showed you to be the narrow minded moron.
For the most part Xolve was giving useful advice for dealing with unwanted wardecs - you chose to not only dismiss that advice but to resort to a tirade of abuse that really only serves to highlight the weakness of your argument.
If you are being attacked by bullies the best thing you can do is give them a bloody nose. Xolve was merely pointing out ways to do this.
Run to your decshield (mummys arms) and know that you are only playing a very tiny part of this game, that you'll never have the kind of fun that players (who have the bottle to do it, that recognise that it's only pixels that you are risking) are having.
Embrace the wonderful feeling of rescuing that damsal for the 800th time.
Chewing rocks makes you hardcore (see what I did there?) |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
112
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:13:00 -
[158] - Quote
Oh and Justin,
Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1935
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:28:00 -
[159] - Quote
Pff. Don't use the OP's service. Use ine instead (see sig) GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
448
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:18:00 -
[160] - Quote
Wow.
I have never seen someone as butthurt as Justin.
Congratulations to whoever got him that mad :)
Wardecs are trivial to avoid. Yet apparently any possible mechanism to do so, might possibly involve some risk, so you can't do it.
You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.
Classy.
You should consider one thing, however. The epic tears you have washed this forum in are indicitative of the reasons "greifers" wardec corps like yours. Your sense of entitlement and illogical, epic rage, are basically what people hope for when they target guys like you. Instead of doing anything about it, you just rage and cry.
tl;dr - you're the perfect punching bag. Congrats. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
117
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:55:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:
You should consider one thing, however. The epic tears you have washed this forum in are indicitative of the reasons "greifers" wardec corps like yours. Your sense of entitlement and illogical, epic rage, are basically what people hope for when they target guys like you. Instead of doing anything about it, you just rage and cry.
tl;dr - you're the perfect punching bag. Congrats.
Quoted for the truth.. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:26:00 -
[162] - Quote
Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long
i can post links, too.
ooo theres another!
Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........
eh? there wasnt really anything to respond to. *shrug* your entire post was just one long series of ad hominems. and since you yourself assert that ad hominems serve only to show that the person using them is a moron, well... come to your own conclusions...
You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.
ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
95
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:10:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
I think statistically right now- the highest amount of griefers are from null-sec and conveniently in the same 3 alliances. GoonSwarm, TEST and Shadow of Death.. From Freighter Ganks to Ice Miner Blockades, these guys are your winners, all without the courtesy of a war dec or notice.
Don't believe me? Try Ice mining in Gallente Space, or flying a Freighter through Mad/Niarja during the weekend. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
117
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:21:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long i can post links, too.ooo theres another!Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........eh? there wasnt really anything to respond to. *shrug* your entire post was just one long series of ad hominems. and since you yourself assert that ad hominems serve only to show that the person using them is a moron, well... come to your own conclusions... You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
Is the reply I was expecting really |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:34:00 -
[165] - Quote
*insert witty 1-liner* + eyeroll Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
118
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:00:00 -
[166] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:*insert witty 1-liner* + eyeroll
Keep going , right now your intelligent argument for your cause has us on the ropes for sure.... Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:03:00 -
[167] - Quote
Quote:Attempted witty 1-liner from "Captain" Nathaniel Butler.
Cool cool bro. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
118
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:05:00 -
[168] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:Attempted witty 1-liner from "Captain" Nathaniel Butler. Cool cool bro.
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:12:00 -
[169] - Quote
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:54:00 -
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I have a completely different take on this subject. Ofcourse one should be able to wardec highsec corporations. Yet these corporations should have means to drop it aswell. The reason for this is : You see this great trailer of what you can become in EvE, you think, thats my kind of game. You realize that youll have to put effort in and will be in for the long run to get the full experience. You decide to subscribe only to soon find out that you either have to join a large alliance as a member or your small corporation to be able to experience the larger scale of the game. It strongly says, youll never be the head of this large alliance who can afford to field a titan or whatever, that position is already taken. Line the pockets of the current owners!
Ide say, every new player should be able if they wanted to, and puts the dedication and time into it, to ultimatly form an competitive alliance and have a home in nullsec (lowsec) or where ever they want. This is nearly impossible with just these handfull off large alliances that have taken control of the entire nullsec area. Like stated, only if you put your corporation or your self in such an alliance would you be able to experience the entire game from a alliance CEO perspective. This is why a starting corporation should have means to drop the wardec. It means if they wanted to, they could grow out to become whatever they want.
As a sidenote, i think nullsec would be much more interesting without these handfull of large alliances (5 or 6)and instead would exist out of many, many smaller alliances ( a hundred or so). I also dont understand some corporations within these very large alliances. You are already in their space. You already have corps within that alliance who you work well with and some you cant stand. It would be so easy for you to decide one day to leave that large alliance (planned correctly) together with thse corporations you work well with and form an alliance. Than Claim the space you already occupy and stop paying RENT!. Planned properly, scaled properlyGǪ.what are they going to do about it?
Anyways, that was a sidenote, and people in alliances will all probably be entirely happy about the fact they where forced into the alliance to experience the entire game or get griefed untill unsub or join. (ofcourse not everyone felt forced)
Another thing, i said nearly impossible. I only say this to every new player, it is a sandbox and people can keep repeating how the game Works, but they are wrong, they are only telling you how it Works for them. One could only explain how the tools work. Come up with something that has not been done before, and there is to much to mention (let your imagination flow and try to shape it into a feasible plan), and even small corps can bring down large alliancesGǪGǪ.im serious and not talking about befriending and work your way up hahahahah.
Sometimes it seems to be forgotten that economics can make or brake any corporation or allianceGǪGǪthink outside the box, the surprise alone could make the difference as they would not know how to handle it at First since they rusted into thisGǪ..this is how it WorksGǪ.its a sandbox |
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Xolve
Insomniacs.
95
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:16:00 -
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Gereon Brika wrote:Stuff about new players
Are you really trying to measure a new players chance of creating an alliance that can rival the organizations that have been around since the game launched? Is it possible? Sure. Realistic? Hell No.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:31:00 -
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Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:33:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Gereon Brika wrote:Stuff about new players Are you really trying to measure a new players chance of creating an alliance that can rival the organizations that have been around since the game launched? Is it possible? Sure. Realistic? Hell No.
Nope, new players, should be able to reach that level at a given time when the right amount of time has passed and the right plan is developed, youll see.... |
Anya Klibor
Nova Ardour
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:46:00 -
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I like how we apparently consider the concept of "market PvP" a form of PvP. We consider the concept of not honoring ransoms when it comes to war targets as PvP. We don't mind the fact that we are - if we're talking about mercs, here - destroying our enemy's resources when we blow up their ships, or make them waste ISK needlessly.
Yet, can't the same thing be true for the Dec Shield alliance? You are making the people who dec you waste ISK. Yes, 2,000,000 ISK is not a large sum, and the dec will be passed again with-in 48 hours probably. But when it comes right down to it, we're saying, "Look, this isn't fair that you can make PvP in high security space essentially consentual, and that's not what this game is about." But when you hire three mercenary alliances to dec a corporation, and they dec shield out of it..how is that form of making your opponent waste ISK any different than scamming, which everyone considers legit?
I'm not saying I 100% support the concept, but there's always 2 sides to the coin. What's good for the proverbial goose is also good for the proverbial gander. |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
96
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:58:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:I like how we apparently consider the concept of "market PvP" a form of PvP. We consider the concept of not honoring ransoms when it comes to war targets as PvP. We don't mind the fact that we are - if we're talking about mercs, here - destroying our enemy's resources when we blow up their ships, or make them waste ISK needlessly.
Yet, can't the same thing be true for the Dec Shield alliance? You are making the people who dec you waste ISK. Yes, 2,000,000 ISK is not a large sum, and the dec will be passed again with-in 48 hours probably. But when it comes right down to it, we're saying, "Look, this isn't fair that you can make PvP in high security space essentially consentual, and that's not what this game is about." But when you hire three mercenary alliances to dec a corporation, and they dec shield out of it..how is that form of making your opponent waste ISK any different than scamming, which everyone considers legit?
I'm not saying I 100% support the concept, but there's always 2 sides to the coin. What's good for the proverbial goose is also good for the proverbial gander.
My argument wasn't really against the Idea of Dec Shield but mainly the carebears that think they are entitled to a no-risk environment. Some people just want to watch the world burn, Me? I am glad to be one of those people. Unprovoked Agression as 'bullying' is a weak argument, saying EvE isn't a 'PvP'-centric game is ignorant, and the recent lack of CCP HTFU is honestly... kind of disheartening. I guess really its just me being all ::bittervet:: that something deemed as an exploit for years is now perfectly within reason.
I can sympathize with both sides though- I was once a newbie that got war dec'd by a griefer corp and lost my mission Drake.. and I was also the Merc that got paid to demonize the hell out of random newbies that pissed someone off. For me at least, PvP was always the most enjoyable way to play the game.. I have many fond memories of PvP in EvE, and not a single "remember when.." about any PvE content. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:33:00 -
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recent lack of CCP HTFU is honestly... kind of disheartening. I guess really its just me being all ::bittervet:: that something deemed as an exploit for years is now perfectly within reason.
ccp is a business and markets change. eve wasn't taking ccp anywhere by remaining an obscure niche game. the changes to eve that have made it more "player friendly" (notice i didnt say "newbie friendly"...) tell me that ccp is interested in growing and expanding their game.
i for one would love if ccp added more systems to the game. they can do this without changing the current setup of null-sec, too: simply add large numbers of systems around the edges of the map, and add null-sec/lo-sec/hi-sec systems within this null-sec space, linked to empire through wormhole gates. done. more space for everyone, more room for more players, ccp gets more money, gets to pay for more cool **** added to the game. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:59:00 -
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Some people will always run from a fight. |
Sue Isuzu
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:08:00 -
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Ahrieman wrote:Some people will always run from a fight.
Some people only fight on their terms while making others think they are running. You never know with people, damn them! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2011.12.07 13:46:00 -
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yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
121
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Posted - 2011.12.07 15:56:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns.
I'd be inclined to believe that the players who believe that the most ,are the ones who are most afraid of losing their pixel ships. Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from carebears. When I've ganked pvp'ers we tend to laugh about it afterwards or at the least say GF in local.
So I'd say that Pvp'ers are the ones who are logically less likely to worry about losing their ships, and therefore taking the game a lot less seriously.
I certainly have no problems with losing my pixel ship in a fight.
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
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