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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:26:00 -
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If you're a corporation who is hounded by unwanted wardecs, then join Dec Shield alliance! For the low cost of 50mil per join we will accept ANY corporation into Dec Shield. Once your corporation joins Dec Shield you are free to leave at any time without consequence. Your previous wardecs will stay with the alliance, and your corporation will be protected.
Use this to protect your high sec assets!
Use this to protect your mining fleets!
Use this to protect reinforced towers by leaving the alliance when the reinforce timer has 25hrs left!
Use this to force highsec grieving alliances to pay out the nose for easily avoidable decs!
This used to be an exploit, but CCP has once again declared this legal and working as intended.
The possibilities for your highsec protection are limitless! Let Dec Shield take those war decs for you, and show your enemies the futility of their efforts. Their tears shall nourish our lifestyle.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
137
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:34:00 -
[2] - Quote
Your service sounds intriguing and has potential for many wonderful things.
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SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
13
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:46:00 -
[3] - Quote
i wondered how long it would take for this to spring up after the CCP announcement
Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.10.18 02:44:00 -
[4] - Quote
So now I can war dec my alt corp, pay the bill for the 2nd week, and join your alliance and get 2 weeks of war with your alliance for 54m?
Sweet deal. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.18 02:51:00 -
[5] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:Their tears shall nourish our lifestyle.
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Niamo Higate
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.18 05:27:00 -
[6] - Quote
Let me guess, Pay in advance? |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
161
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Posted - 2011.10.18 08:30:00 -
[7] - Quote
Due to the glitch on leaving an alliance, corps will want to leave the alliance straight after downtime. This will ensure you are immune from wardecs for 24 hours.
If you have issues with CCP making PVP effectively opt-in within highsec (via making exploits to make it such legal) I suggest you make some noise.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
35
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:27:00 -
[8] - Quote
Griznatch wrote:So now I can war dec my alt corp, pay the bill for the 2nd week, and join your alliance and get 2 weeks of war with your alliance for 54m?
Sweet deal.
They can check to see if your corp is currently wardecced before they accept you. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:33:00 -
[9] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Use this to protect your mining fleets!
Don't challenge the mighty nation of Afgoonistan. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
67
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Posted - 2011.10.18 12:13:00 -
[10] - Quote
Wow, no words can describe how low this is ...
BUT, on the other hand ... enough ppl will gather to pay the costs
to wardec so many targets all at once. |
Andrea Griffin
29
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:21:00 -
[11] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Wow, no words can describe how low this is ... CCP tends to ignore broken mechanics until they are abused to hell and back on a massive scale.
I endorse this product and/or service.
It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
7
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:51:00 -
[12] - Quote
How does this work:
1.) Apply to join "Dec Shield" with your corporation.
2.) Send 50mil isk to either "The Zerg Overmind" or "Rule Reversal"
3.) I will accept your application to the alliance as soon as both are done.
4.) It takes 24hrs for a corporation to join the alliance after an application has been accepted. And then another 1-2hrs for the server to register it.
5.) All your wardecs will transfer to Dec Shield alliance.
6.) You can now leave the alliance at any time, and all wars against Dec Shield will drop 24hrs after you drop alliance.
FAQ:
- Only corporations with incoming wardecs may apply to join an alliance.
- To join an allliance, go to Corporation -> Alliances -> Rankings -> Show All -> Find "Dec Shield" -> Right click, apply to join
- It is currently a bug that a corporation leaving an alliance cannot be wardecced until after the next downtime. Please use this knowledge to your advantage and leave the alliance right after a downtime for maximum effect.
- Note that leaving the alliance 25hrs before your highsec tower is out of reinforced is not necessarily sufficient to save it. As war target aggression will continue so long as they're on the same grid continuously. This means if the enemy fleet chooses to sit outside your tower for multiple hours after the end of the war, it's still possible for them to destroy it. Please try to place a downtime between your reinforcement timer and leaving the alliance.
- It doesn't matter how many wardecs Dec Shield receives, this character will never undock. The sole purpose of this is to accumulate wardecs. If anyone should feel the desire to wardec us directly it will only add legitimacy to our position.
- Pvp corps are also welcome to join Dec Shield if you wish to fight highsec griefers who are pulled into wars against Dec Shield.
War Dec Removal Service - 50mil |
vixxxy
Double Deuce Investments
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:22:00 -
[13] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:If you're a corporation who is hounded by unwanted wardecs, then join Dec Shield alliance! For the low cost of 50mil per join we will accept ANY corporation into Dec Shield. Once your corporation joins Dec Shield you are free to leave at any time without consequence. Your previous wardecs will stay with the alliance, and your corporation will be protected. Use this to protect your high sec assets! Use this to protect your mining fleets! Use this to protect reinforced towers by leaving the alliance when the reinforce timer has 25hrs left! Use this to force highsec grieving alliances to pay out the nose for easily avoidable decs! This used to be an exploit, but CCP has once again declared this legal and working as intended. The possibilities for your highsec protection are limitless! Let Dec Shield take those war decs for you, and show your enemies the futility of their efforts. Their tears shall nourish our lifestyle.
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
11
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:01:00 -
[14] - Quote
First set of wars are now wiped clean. Taking more contracts, send me an email
War Dec Removal Service - 50mil |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
11
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:02:00 -
[15] - Quote
First set of contracts are wiped clean of wars. Taking more customers. Send me an email and we'll get you started.
War Dec Removal Service - 50mil |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
30
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:47:00 -
[16] - Quote
The fact that your alliance consists of 6 corps each with 1 member and all formed within hours of each other on the day that your alliance was formed is somewhat suspicious. Care to explain why you have 6 alt corps in the alliance if this is legit? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
11
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:18:00 -
[17] - Quote
mxzf wrote:The fact that your alliance consists of 6 corps each with 1 member and all formed within hours of each other on the day that your alliance was formed is somewhat suspicious. Care to explain why you have 6 alt corps in the alliance if this is legit?
The multiple alt corps are to prevent a hostile takeover via shifting of declarations of support within the alliance. It would defeat the purpose of the alliance if someone could just steal it by simply voting us out of the executor position.
As an update, we've decided to offer this service completely free of charge. The catch is that we will boot corporations immediately in order to reset their wars and prevent a build up of possible votes against us as executors.
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
22
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Posted - 2011.10.20 08:00:00 -
[18] - Quote
for the swarm |
BuzzyBeagle
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
33
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Posted - 2011.10.20 11:20:00 -
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Pussies everywhere rejoice! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
14
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:17:00 -
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Its things like this that make Eve the sandbox it really should be.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:15:00 -
[21] - Quote
Shouldn't this be in an industrials subforum? Or maybe even the beginners' :) |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
11
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Posted - 2011.10.20 22:46:00 -
[22] - Quote
Sutskop wrote:Shouldn't this be in an industrials subforum? Or maybe even the beginners' :)
You sound mad. u mad bro?
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:40:00 -
[23] - Quote
Well i dont see how this helps in the long run. If they are dedicated and really want a war with your corp they will just redec you costing them 2-6m, no biggy. You only get what, 48 hours of peace, but ruin your corps alliance history? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:40:00 -
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If they're avoiding wars in this manner, I doubt alliance history is their biggest concern. |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
44
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:54:00 -
[25] - Quote
This is a potential ISK maker for sure...but at worst its just a pain in the @$$ type of effect.
Re-war-dec'ing....redacing war-decs that are mis-aimed....spending isk to re-war dec.
Not so much in terms of expense...but frustarting on the part of the agressor.
I mean its not that hard to manipulate in to evade war-dec...but you'd have to be pretty dedicated to attempt this.
Messy is what I would call this...very messy.
not exactly effective either.   |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
11
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:44:00 -
[26] - Quote
We are currently aiding another few corps in tower defense. I highly encourage you to apply to Dec Shield the moment you get wardecced. Don't wait for the enemy fleet to be attacking your tower, because at that stage it's almost guaranteed to be too late for us to help.
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Cur
Hardcore p0wnography
Cascade Probable
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 02:55:00 -
[27] - Quote
perhaps now the highsec griefers will get the point...
People whom dont want to pvp, but wish to remain with their group of friends in eve will avoid wardecs using any methods they can.
Re-war deccing them is just wasting you're own money.
Perhaps the highsec gankers should grow some balls, and step into lowsec/0.0 for their pvp fix.
But they wont, hense the whole niche of people whom get pissy at people whom avoid wardecs. They need to attack prey which cannot fight back, just so they can feel superior, and gloat about it with friends whom have the same condition.
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Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 03:08:00 -
[28] - Quote
Cur wrote:perhaps now the highsec griefers will get the point...
People whom dont want to pvp, but wish to remain with their group of friends in eve will avoid wardecs using any methods they can.
Re-war deccing them is just wasting you're own money.
Perhaps the highsec gankers should grow some balls, and step into lowsec/0.0 for their pvp fix.
But they wont, hense the whole niche of people whom get pissy at people whom avoid wardecs. They need to attack prey which cannot fight back, just so they can feel superior, and gloat about it with friends whom have the same condition.
dawww isnt the 0,0 pet cute.
I agree with the founder of Dec Shield, this is a valid tactic now that CCP has done a 'rule reversal' (what you did there was seen). On the other hand if high sec PVPers want to get some pew pew on, maybe joining the alliance would be fun, its like PRVTR in reverse.
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2011.10.24 03:16:00 -
[29] - Quote
My carebear friends greatly recommend this product and/or service. |
Cur
Hardcore p0wnography
Cascade Probable
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 03:17:00 -
[30] - Quote
Lithalnas wrote:
dawww isnt the 0,0 pet cute.
You're not allowed to say that without following it up with a least a pat on the head or scratch behind the ears, dammit.
WHERES MY PATS!?!?!?! |
steave435
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:58:00 -
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Been 3 years since I cared about high sec war mechanics, but won't this mean that the corp will have a 24 hour war against ALL the corps/alliances that have a war against the alliance at the moment they leave?
IIRC, leaving an alliance that is at war starts a war against the leaving corp that instantly goes to the "can fight" stage, but starts the end of war cooldown at the same time. |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto we Sizwe
38
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:25:00 -
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aaii...
For a long time now I put through two votes for the same corp. Incase of things like this, since it happaned before it became so called "LEGAL".
So dec... the corp joins an alliance (Free alliance WarDec) and then they surrender by leaving the alliance, I immediatly activate the next war on them as well. So they have maybe a few minutes of no war.
Either way, 50mil aint much to keep a war going. So if they join a decent alliance you might get alot more targets to shoot at. Which is always fun... Right? RIGHT?
The Crazy South African.
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Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:56:00 -
[33] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:
Wow, no words can describe how low this is ...
HAHA really of all the scams, ganks, etc you think avoiding a war is the on the lowest of your totem poll?  |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
14
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:29:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:aaii...
For a long time now I put through two votes for the same corp. Incase of things like this, since it happaned before it became so called "LEGAL".
So dec... the corp joins an alliance (Free alliance WarDec) and then they surrender by leaving the alliance, I immediatly activate the next war on them as well. So they have maybe a few minutes of no war.
Either way, 50mil aint much to keep a war going. So if they join a decent alliance you might get alot more targets to shoot at. Which is always fun... Right? RIGHT?
You would like to think the game worked correctly like this. But you cannot reissue a war against a target until your previous war against them has dropped, guaranteeing at least 48hr protection from any individual aggressor (more than enough to save any tower).
Furthermore, the corporation is immune to incoming wardecs after it leaves the alliance until the next downtime. This allows a well timed dropping from the alliance to provide near unlimited immunity to an unlimited number of incoming wardecs from various targets.
As of now 5 corporations have been accepted into alliance and 3 towers saved. Tears may continue below
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto we Sizwe
38
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:00:00 -
[35] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
You would like to think the game worked correctly like this. But you cannot reissue a war against a target until your previous war against them has dropped, guaranteeing at least 48hr protection from any individual aggressor (more than enough to save any tower).
You misunderstood my ******** one.
The second vote is done via another corp. Since as I mentioned before, these things were done well before you even dreamed of offering these services. The minute I recieve that surreder email I activate the war with the other corp.
I am a bit more tenatious than your average war deccer especially when I get paid to do something.
EDIT: lol, r-tarded is a swear word? Thanks a lot you ****-brained, ****-faced, ball breaking, duck ******* pain in the ass...... BLERP [Moral Statute Machine] Cannibal Kane, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.
The Crazy South African.
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jimmyjam
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 23:24:00 -
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I know its probly been done before, But do this same idea stack up loads of dec,s then allow some hardcore pvpers into the alliance for a fee, for massive target practice but only allow one group a certain length of time to be involved like a fews days to like a week. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
14
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:34:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
You misunderstood my ******** one.
The second vote is done via another corp. Since as I mentioned before, these things were done well before you even dreamed of offering these services. The minute I recieve that surreder email I activate the war with the other corp.
Actually this is not currently possible due to a bug in the game, which is what I've stated above. No entity can wardec a corporation that has just left an alliance until after the next downtime. It doesn't matter how many extra corporations/alliances you have waiting in the wings ready to dec the moment they drop from the alliance. You will not be able to wardec until after the next downtime. It gives some error message.
And unless this bug is only a recent development, or has been fixed in the last month, I assume it still works that way.
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:10:00 -
[38] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:Sutskop wrote:Shouldn't this be in an industrials subforum? Or maybe even the beginners' :) You sound mad. u mad bro?
While I realize we are in C&P where you feel the need to overuse memes - no, just an honest suggestion.
I'd think that most readers of C&P already know those mechanics, while the pure industrialists might need a hint. |
Big Bad Mofo
Comply Or Die
34
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:10:00 -
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But the wars get transferred to your alliance, so more targets :) |
Hoedagen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:33:00 -
[40] - Quote
I approve of this service, If just for the fact it's trolls trolling trolls...
tears, delicious no matter which side they come from. |
Paladin Kor-Xebar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:46:00 -
[41] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Its things like this that make Eve the sandbox it really should be.
Ehh this is not my favorite part of the sandbox :/ |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
26
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:50:00 -
[42] - Quote
Op is a scam, mark my words. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:10:00 -
[43] - Quote
OP sounds really mad. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
14
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:24:00 -
[44] - Quote
OP is really mad, and has scammed many people out of their wars already. We've even seen our first repeat customers and victims. So far we're getting around 2 new corporations a day. More are welcome. If you have any wars to get rid of, tell your friends about us.
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
11
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Posted - 2011.10.26 03:45:00 -
[45] - Quote
What makes me laugh is that people even bother using wardecs for griefing purposes anymore.
Suicide ganking and/or infiltration ganking is a far more effective way to grief individuals or small industrial corps.
All it takes is a spot in your address book, a locator agent, and a nice stack of extra 1400MM Artys and Gyros.
No fee, no red-star in local, and its almost free with platinum insurance and -10 alts.
Best of all, the targets can never relax, as 'suicide-ganking' wardecs against individual players have no expiry.
All hail the coming of the Tornado and a new era of destruction. 4 or 5 of these will zilch out any blingy CNR or Marauder.
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
522
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
Pride in cowardice? So bad.
GÖŃ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖŃ |
Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:06:00 -
[47] - Quote
Lithalnas wrote:Cur wrote:perhaps now the highsec griefers will get the point...
People whom dont want to pvp, but wish to remain with their group of friends in eve will avoid wardecs using any methods they can.
Re-war deccing them is just wasting you're own money.
Perhaps the highsec gankers should grow some balls, and step into lowsec/0.0 for their pvp fix.
But they wont, hense the whole niche of people whom get pissy at people whom avoid wardecs. They need to attack prey which cannot fight back, just so they can feel superior, and gloat about it with friends whom have the same condition.
dawww isnt the 0,0 pet cute. I agree with the founder of Dec Shield, this is a valid tactic now that CCP has done a 'rule reversal' (what you did there was seen). On the other hand if high sec PVPers want to get some pew pew on, maybe joining the alliance would be fun, its like PRVTR in reverse.
Being in the same alliance doesn't justify aggression in highsec, unlike being in same corp, so this doesnt work.
Kitty McKitty wrote:Pride in cowardice? So bad.
The real question is, who are the cowards in this case.
The carebears who never asked for this (see what i did there?) or the guys that don't dare to set a foot in low/null because their neutral logistics could be killed and they could lose their shiny pirate/faction bs, thus have to get their pvp dose by ganking highsec carebears.
Imma go for the latter.
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
522
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:10:00 -
[48] - Quote
Pretty much anyone in high sec thy. But don't assume why who PVP in high sec do it exclusively. But yes, high sec grief snacktards are the worst. At least carebears are honest.
GÖŃ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖŃ |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
14
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
I knew Karah Serrigan would see things my way. I could tell by her name. For the Zerg
Free Wardec Removal Service |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
176
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
I couldn't decide what to do with this post. First I wanted to reply "lol". Then I figured, I wanted to 'like' something, but there was no posts to like! And you can't just 'like' a thread, unfortunately. So I went back thinking about doing the "lol", it felt apropriate after all, and was my original intent. Then I decide to write this.
this is a signature |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto we Sizwe
43
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
Misanth wrote:I couldn't decide what to do with this post. First I wanted to reply "lol". Then I figured, I wanted to 'like' something, but there was no posts to like! And you can't just 'like' a thread, unfortunately. So I went back thinking about doing the "lol", it felt apropriate after all, and was my original intent. Then I decide to write this.
lol
The Crazy South African.
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Freyh
ClownStar
31
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:17:00 -
[52] - Quote
This is a great service. With some war management you can have atleast 2 wars running all the time and once in a while you get a free alliance war for a week. Its great! |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
14
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:02:00 -
[53] - Quote
I've just verified what I've been saying. Once a corporation leaves an alliance they can not be wardecced until after the next downtime. We have saved 4 towers now since launch of the alliance. Made a few friends, made a bunch of enemies, received some kingly gifts.
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=203576#post203576[/url] |
Rasz Lin
4
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:20:00 -
[54] - Quote
Good job. Maybe (doubtful) it will make someone at CCP use brain for a change and rethink stupid decisions. I dont hold my breath tho (they are rethinking instant docking logis for 2 years now? 3 years?) |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 23:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
We are a small salvaging corp made up mostly of couple of week old players in Noctises. We service lvl4 mission runner.
We were just wardecced and applied to your alliance. Thank you for your anticipated help in removing this annoying wardec.
Quick question, who do I send the ISK to if I wanted to make a small donation for setting up this awesome service?
Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more. |
Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 23:44:00 -
[56] - Quote
out of curiosity: how many wars does Dec Shield have and who are they with?
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
18
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Posted - 2011.10.31 03:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
Lithalnas wrote:out of curiosity: how many wars does Dec Shield have and who are they with?
We are currently at war with:
GMBH Of death (We've absorbed these guys 3 times now)
Pink Fluffy Carebears
Black Rebel Rifter Club
We will shortly be at war with "Shadows of Death" as well.
We've seen 4-5 other corporations drop wars against us in the last week as well.
Most wardeccers quickly drop their wars once they discover they've been transferred to an alliance. If you'd like to view our wars at any given time you can go to the "Corporation" tab of your ingame neocon, then go to "Wars" tab, and then "Other Wars", hit the Select button at the bottom, type in "Dec Shield", select our name from the list, hit okay, and you'll see all our current victims. You are of course also welcome to taunt them on our behalf. I would only ask that you share any tears they shed publicly :P
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=203576#post203576[/url] |
Andrea Griffin
44
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
I endorse this service and/or product. Please continue to abuse the living **** out of the recent GM rulings so that they fix the problem, either with a mechanics change or a policy change.
It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 21:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Thread delivers. A++, would do business again.
Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
28
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:07:00 -
[60] - Quote
Why bother with this when you can just close/recreate your corp under the same name and invalidate the war? |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2011.11.01 03:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
i must say the HS griefers complaining of exploits. Oh my. your tears, they really are delicious. I start to see the appeal.... |
Cheeseburger Jesus
The Pearly Gates
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.01 05:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
This was way more funny 5 yrs ago.
-1 for unfunnyness |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
19
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 15:09:00 -
[63] - Quote
8.5 corporations saved right now. Still open for business, now and forever. Since I'm not online at all times with this character, send him an email if you apply. I have Eve Gate open here and I'll see a change if he gets an email, then I can sign on to accept your applications.
Free Wardec Removal |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:Note: We have decided not to charge for this service at all. Your move CCP.
OP's first post
[quote]Free Wardec Removal[/quote]
Sig
[quote]We do free wardec removal. See this thread for details:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792[/quote]
Bio of character
Corp description
Alliance description
Fine print is pretty fine. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
19
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 17:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Alliance description Fine print is pretty fine.
You're right. We started this as a pay to use service, but then changed to a free service. Thought I had changed all references to refer to it as free. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll fix it now.
Free Wardec Removal |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
28
|
Posted - 2011.11.07 00:36:00 -
[66] - Quote
Dec Shield is now in 9 wars with 3 more on the way. We're still open for business, and accepting 2-3 corporations a day.
Free Wardec Removal |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
31
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 02:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
Dec Shield is currently involved in 8 wars, with 2 more incoming. We've serviced 20+ corporations by now. Many of them didn't have time to register on Dotlan because they were with the alliance for only seconds.
Dec Shield corporations
Free Wardec Removal |
Frost Mistress
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 03:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:8.5 corporations saved right now. Still open for business, now and forever. Since I'm not online at all times with this character, send him an email if you apply. I have Eve Gate open here and I'll see a change if he gets an email, then I can sign on to accept your applications.
8.5 LOL
So one gpot half the living *&^% blown out of them but the other half made it?
Don't let my frosty appearance and cold attitude fool you.Once you get to know me you'll find I'm a complete and total *****-á |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
31
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 04:02:00 -
[69] - Quote
Frost Mistress wrote:
8.5 LOL
So one gpot half the living *&^% blown out of them but the other half made it?
I think it was more of a "they haven't quite joined the alliance yet, so I'm not sure if they'll be saved in time" situation.
Free Wardec Removal |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
Pandorum Invictus
11
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 04:25:00 -
[70] - Quote
Just so the haters in this thread know........
Pretty sure this alliance is really a protest of the recent allowance of the Dec shield in the first place. |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
70
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 04:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
I do like this service...
With the corp we were at war with joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered we had on average a 24 hour peroid on about 6 corp everyday we could shoot at.
And I did....
The Crazy South African.
|
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
34
|
Posted - 2011.11.16 10:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
I have now created a chart to show how to abuse wardec mechanics to gain invulnerability for your highsec assets.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg
Free Wardec Removal |
Myxx
Atropos Group
147
|
Posted - 2011.11.16 20:16:00 -
[73] - Quote
And this is why, last time, it was declared as an exploit. We've been here before. |
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
Imperial Ascension
20
|
Posted - 2011.11.16 20:41:00 -
[74] - Quote
Cur wrote:Lithalnas wrote:
dawww isnt the 0,0 pet cute.
You're not allowed to say that without following it up with a least a pat on the head or scratch behind the ears, dammit. WHERES MY PATS!?!?!?!
Here, gives you some nice scritches, right behind the ears.
|
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
52
|
Posted - 2011.11.22 09:23:00 -
[75] - Quote
Still open for business, still accepting applications. Bring your wars to us and we'll wipe them clean for you.
Free Wardec Removal |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 03:49:00 -
[76] - Quote
I love how some people are against this and calling us pussies (I say us because I just applied to get rid of two wardecs from people who are griefing me over an out of game issue... i'm a four person mining corp, come on guys, seriously?)
The people complaining are bassically saying "I can't believe you are making it impossible for me to be a complete dickhole with no consequences whatsoever!!! You are such insensetive jerks!"
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Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 03:54:00 -
[77] - Quote
To clarify.. I am NOT against war decs... or ganking... bring it...
However... war decs should be mutual.
Simple logic...
In the real world.. if me and you get pissed at each other, and we want to fight, we should be allowed to. It should not be illegal. Duels were legal solutions to disputes for a LONG time and that is a good thing damnit. If two people BOTH want to fight... then what is wrong with that? They are both making a choice to settle their dispute with violence and who are you to deny them that?
However... that is different from screaming at someone "I WANNA FIGHT" and shooting them after they say "But I don't"
That you should be arrested for.
How is this not simple logic?
Suicide gank.. fine... blow up my ship and get raped by cops... fine... fair... sounds good... consequences for your actions and you take the calculated risk.. realistic and agreeable to me in a sandbox.
We both want to fight? Fine... who should stop us? Cops shouldnt step in when two people agree to fight...
You want to beat the **** out of me when I do not want to fight you? and merely sayign "I declare war" makes the cops agree with you instantly because you gave them money?
Yeah... bullshit bullshit bullshit....
Mutual Wardec or none at all...
I intend to abuse the hell out of this system with the help of the good people of Dec Shield until CCP makes a more logical realistic system. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
105
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Posted - 2011.11.25 03:57:00 -
[78] - Quote
Poland wanted germany to invade them. |
Heinel Sidewind
7
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 08:11:00 -
[79] - Quote
This thread need some sort of wall of shame type consolidated list of the war-dec'ers for people to poke fun at. Bonus if their name sounds totally asinine. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 09:12:00 -
[80] - Quote
Heinel are you saying the ones who declare wardecs and get them dumped or the ones who are utilizing this service? |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
1
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 09:52:00 -
[81] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:I do like this service...
With the corp we were at war with joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered we had on average a 24 hour peroid on about 6 corp everyday we could shoot at.
And I did....
Yeah... the alliance has 6 corps that stay in it... all 6 corps have a single member that never undocks.
So.. what did you shoot at exactly?
Lois: "Well sure meg just be sure to practice safe se... HAHAHHA LIAR!!"
|
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
17
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 10:05:00 -
[82] - Quote
I rather like the Dec Shield for their display of obvious fail on part of CCP when declaring an old exploit legal, but you have a point: The war system is too one sided and in almost all cases is used for bullying in one way or the other. Some prefer to call it "mercenary work", whatever. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
1
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 10:11:00 -
[83] - Quote
Just to point out the most common illogical arguments and statements to save further people some time.
"We will just re-wardec them, HAHAHAHA" - You can't.. not until server downtime even if you use another corp. You have to wait until the war is over or the next downtime, at which point you will declare another war, they will have 24 hours to join the alliance and invalidate it again. The timers do line up as he says they do.
"Fine, transfer us to the alliance, then we can kill all the corps, HAHAHAHAHAHA" - Nope. The corp that joins the alliance immediately leaves, so you can't attack your original targets. There are 6 corps in the alliance who stay, and they are all single player corps run by the same person so that corps that do join cannot vote for alliance control and disband it. In other words... you would be lucky to have a brief chance to kill a corp within the alliance that is an actual functioning corp before they leave after their war is transfered. The 6 stationary corps do not undock... good luck killing them.
"You are cowards!!!!" You are fighting in hi-sec against noncombatants. Bassically you are punching babies at an unattended daycare with no cameras.
"Hi-sec combat should be allowed!!" It is... you can fight against anyone who does not mind the war dec, like a corp that enjoys PVP and also does not want to deal with lo-sec, so you can have a nice organized peaceful war that others cannot interfere with.
"Hi-sec combat should be allowed without people running from it by choice!!!" It is... suicide gank us. You can take out my retriever with a well equipped thrasher easily... very little investment. Doing something harmful to someone without their consent has consequences... welcome to reality, asshat.
"I'm an idiot!" This is the one argument you can make that i will agree with if you want to say this is all a bad thing. By saying this, your opinion of this being a horrible thing is a valid opinion based on the argument that you are an idiot, and therefore it is an opinion of an idiot. As long as this is your primary argument for supporting your opinion, then we can all agree on it. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
1
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 10:18:00 -
[84] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:If they're avoiding wars in this manner, I doubt alliance history is their biggest concern.
In reference to the image you posted (dumbhiseccers)
Noone is asking for a safe zone, they are saying that cops so easily and cheaply bribed makes everywhere an open warzone. Do not use ridiculous hyperbole.
Even if hi sec was 100% safe from everything, including ganking.. people would not all flood there and stay there, so that's your second ridiculous hyperbole.
Even if players could never ever attack players, ships could still be lost, so that is your third ridiculous hyperbole.
Even if ships were uber invincible, you need new ships when you gain skills to fly them, and you always need ammo.
So even if all the ridiculous stupid assinine hyperboles you put forth are 100% true, you are still wrong.
This makes you quintuply wrong.
You are wrong to the power of 5.
You are, in effect, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
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SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 11:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Why not just make a perma solution to this?
Create enough alt corps to Dec the alliance and make them mutual, so no fee is paid. Isn't there a limit to how many war decs can be held against one group?
Once you have the maximum number of alt war decs on. You then just accept anyone into the alliance, under your blanket of protection? They will still show as being war decced. but they will be war decced by characters minutes old that will never log on never mind undock. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
1
|
Posted - 2011.11.25 11:58:00 -
[86] - Quote
Honestly with the system being abused as it is right now, we can effectively protect ourselves from griefers to such an extent that it is not that big a concern.
I for one wish taht wardeccing was like a divorce...
If it is a mutual thing it should be cheap fast and easy...
If only one side wants it.. it should take a long time, be a royal pain in the ass, and be expensive as all hell. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
52
|
Posted - 2011.11.26 04:02:00 -
[87] - Quote
Lusinara wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I do like this service...
With the corp we were at war with joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered we had on average a 24 hour peroid on about 6 corp everyday we could shoot at.
And I did.... Yeah... the alliance has 6 corps that stay in it... all 6 corps have a single member that never undocks. So.. what did you shoot at exactly? Lois: "Well sure meg just be sure to practice safe se... HAHAHHA LIAR!!"
lol when I read this I was thinking the same thing, but I held my tongue.
Free Wardec Removal |
whaynethepain
16
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
You high-sec dwellers have no idea how easy you have it.
I do enjoy sneaking up and shooting vulnerables, feels tingly, sometimes I laugh a while and giggle myself to sleep.
But then I have to hang about null/low-sec shooting npc B.S. for hours to get concord back on side.
There needs to be a mechanic where I can give concord a few mill, then just smash stuff up for an hour or two, while they turn a blind eye.
And these new pod KM's and dps ships are just gonna have me sat chaining constellations for too long.
Nerf concord, they are too overpowered, that's the real problem.
I'm all for the law showing up and helping the unaware, but 50,000 police appearing out of nowhere and podding any ship is a little unrealistic?
And why don't wardeccers have to rat for concord as part payment, at least this way I would have a half decent fight in the belts, and it would clear Jita undock for an hour or two.
Rats!
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
85
|
Posted - 2011.11.30 12:00:00 -
[89] - Quote
Lusinara wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I do like this service...
With the corp we were at war with joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered we had on average a 24 hour peroid on about 6 corp everyday we could shoot at.
And I did.... Yeah... the alliance has 6 corps that stay in it... all 6 corps have a single member that never undocks. So.. what did you shoot at exactly? Lois: "Well sure meg just be sure to practice safe se... HAHAHHA LIAR!!"
Hmm....
I hate explaining things to people since it makes them look like a ******.
While the war was going with dec shield.... each corp that joined for "DEC Protection" and surrendered gave us a 24 peroid to shoot at them when they surrendered.
It's not that hard to figure out or see how that works...
Sooo.... catch a wake up.
The Crazy South African.
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Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
3
|
Posted - 2011.11.30 20:48:00 -
[90] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Lusinara wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I do like this service...
With the corp we were at war with joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered we had on average a 24 hour peroid on about 6 corp everyday we could shoot at.
And I did.... Yeah... the alliance has 6 corps that stay in it... all 6 corps have a single member that never undocks. So.. what did you shoot at exactly? Lois: "Well sure meg just be sure to practice safe se... HAHAHHA LIAR!!" Hmm.... I hate explaining things to people since it makes them look like a ******. We had a war with a corp that joined DEC SHIELD and surrendered, we just kept it running till the end with DEC Shield.... each corp that joined for "DEC Protection" and surrendered gave us a 24 peroid to shoot at them when they surrendered. It's not that hard to figure out or see how that works... Sooo.... catch a wake up.
"I'm such a **** I was killing hi-sec people I didn't even know just for the sake of killing them!"
Got it, thanks.
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Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
86
|
Posted - 2011.11.30 22:32:00 -
[91] - Quote
Lusinara wrote:[quote=Cannibal Kane]
"I'm such a **** I was killing hi-sec people I didn't even know just for the sake of killing them!"
Got it, thanks.
You got it Tiger...
Never be ashamed of what you do... Just be ashamed if you don't what is in your nature.
The Crazy South African.
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Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.01 05:55:00 -
[92] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Lusinara wrote:[quote=Cannibal Kane]
"I'm such a **** I was killing hi-sec people I didn't even know just for the sake of killing them!"
Got it, thanks.
You got it Tiger... Never be ashamed of what you do... Just be ashamed if you don't do what is in your nature.
.......
****** should have been ashamed....
(Editing since they bleeped out the above... seriously CCP?)
The dictator in charge of Germany during the Third Reich, and the period of World War II, who invaded Poland, killed many many jewish people, african americans, and homosexuals in the name of the preservation of the "master race" as he called it, who was sometimes called the "Fuhrer".
Godwin has spoken.. the argument is over. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.01 06:01:00 -
[93] - Quote
In fact.. let's postpone our argument of what a nice fella you are or whether you should be ashamed for being an ass or not and just look at that....
CCP has no real rules against harrassment as long as your character is a month old, even though the federal law of MANY countries has laws against harrassment online that INCLUDES singling someone out in an online video game. Most gaming companies are at least smart enough to parrot those laws as their own harrassment policy to avoid any potential legal issues within their game.
They have no rules defining what "griefing" is.. using the lore of a game and in-game excuses to permit people to grief each other as humans vs. other humans in a COMPLETELY out of game context. In other words... I could find out you were gay in real life, hate you for it, and spend the next 5 years of gameplay doing nothing but harrassing you in game because I do not like what you are out of game, making it a clear griefing issue (which would be protected by the laws I mentioned earlier)
No no... all of this is fine... all of this is okay.
But we cannot say Adolf's last name. (In case we can't say his first name... it sounds like "Adolph".. oh and the last name starts with "hit" and ends with "ler".
No no... that's unacceptable. |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
87
|
Posted - 2011.12.01 06:27:00 -
[94] - Quote
I don't care what you are in real life... ingame your a potential target.
That is all.
If you attach any other connotations to it, be it from outside the game. I would suggest you seek help.
and pause for effect....
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The Crazy South African.
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Tragic Nathaniel
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 07:55:00 -
[95] - Quote
Hello Cannibal Kane,
Thanks for declaring war on the first player owned corporation I joined. I soon realized that my care bear ass needed to stay in a NPC corporation. The path I have taken in the universe can be directly contributed to your actions and it was for the best. |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.01 08:41:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tragic Nathaniel wrote:Hello Cannibal Kane,
Thanks for declaring war on the first player owned corporation I joined. I soon realized that my care bear ass needed to stay in a NPC corporation. The path I have taken in the universe can be directly contributed to your actions and it was for the best.
Damn Kane, You Scary! |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
87
|
Posted - 2011.12.01 08:43:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tragic Nathaniel wrote:Hello Cannibal Kane,
Thanks for declaring war on the first player owned corporation I joined. I soon realized that my care bear ass needed to stay in a NPC corporation. The path I have taken in the universe can be directly contributed to your actions and it was for the best.
That brings back memories... being outnumbered 20 to 1. Your 2005 players did put up a valiant effort though, you deserved atleast one kill in that war but got none. Don't regress though... joining a proper corp will make a vast difference.
The Crazy South African.
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Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
87
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:45:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ahrieman wrote:Tragic Nathaniel wrote:Hello Cannibal Kane,
Thanks for declaring war on the first player owned corporation I joined. I soon realized that my care bear ass needed to stay in a NPC corporation. The path I have taken in the universe can be directly contributed to your actions and it was for the best. Damn Kane, You Scary!
Wha? You guys make me look like the candy man....
The Crazy South African.
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Tylerskji
Alans Crackbah
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.03 20:30:00 -
[99] - Quote
As a player constantly under bombardment from greifers and players who think they can crowbar my corp into thier alliances because we can't defend ourselves, I whole heartedly support this! I do whatever I need to do, to allow my corp to survive, end of story!
GOOD WORK ZERG! |
Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:15:00 -
[100] - Quote
Just as people are free to war dec another, people are free to avoid it.
If you can't shoot someone who doesn't want to fight, well tough ****. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:58:00 -
[101] - Quote
if you want PvP you have options:
lo-sec
null-sec
faction warfare
mutual 1on1 (cans)
red vs blue
wormholes
if you want money you have options:
mining
industry
exploration
missions
plex
lotteries
buddy invites
selling characters
someone is currently bullying my corp, wardecing us and demanding isk (we're just a group of friends, only 5 of us, and all 4 months old or so).
there's about 20 people all 6 - 18 months old attacking us demanding tithings and taxes and blowing us up if we dont comply.
do we use a dec shield alliance? you bet we do. and we will continue to use it even after ccp deems it an exploit and bans us for it.
why?
because we shouldn't have to pay other players xx millions of isk per week to play the game we've already paid for with cash.
because we shouldn't be forced to pvp forever
because we shouldn't be prevented from playing the game we've paid for by other people
because we shouldn't have to disband our corporation (we're friends and if we can't play together conveniently we'll leave the game sorry ccp nothing personal just economics there...)
because ccp should support their players - but they don't.
so yes we will use a dec shield until:
ccp fixes the mechanics
ccp bans us for it, in which case we'll move to another game adios
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
79
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:The finer points of acting like a little whiny *****.
You do realize that high sec wars can be almost completely mitigated right? Without joining an alliance, or dropping your corp, and you can skip the entire e-bullying crap too.
Theres sooo many ways to go about getting around a war..
 Fly something fast if your traveling.. A nano'd interceptor (with warp speed rig) for travel is pretty much not catchable. Even a cloaky T3 (because those are fun to catch in Empire and just as Hard in Null/Low).
If you really wanted to drive them crazy, get your friends to fit out cheap Merlins with NanoFibers, and Polycarb Rigs to zip around from gate to gate- this really annoys the snot out of any group of would be aggressors.
You could move out to some remote pocket of space for a week, just get a trusted corp member to use an alt to Freighter the essentials out there (or Red Frog who are amazing for this). Live in the middle of nowhere for a few days, and if they find you, rinse, repeat. (Derelik anyone?)
Theres even a few High Sec pockets that are 3 or 4 systems completely surrounded by lowsec (Avada, Ronne, Eldulf; just some examples). Most griefer corps are full of people that prey on the weak, and will avoid low-sec like the plague. Hell if your corp bases out of there anyway, your chances of even being noticed by these people is pretty damn small (plus- they'd have to get by whatever pirates live in those areas anywhere, before they can get to you).
Or you could stay in one system, make tons of bookmarks with an alt, distribute them to your corp, and go back to business as usual, just stay aligned in missions/belts/wherever... Just make sure you have a bookmark at your station so you land on top of it, and can dock immediately (and have a group of instant undocking bookmarks in random intervals for 2000km from the station).
Any of these simple things can make a war more bother then its worth, even the dedicated will get bored after a few days, just play defensively, be prepared, and know when to run away. The only difference between most griefers and most carebears is a basic knowledge of game mechanics; so instead of joining dec shield; why not have fun, and learn to be a better pilot?
The entire point of this game is to have fun, with friends or by yourself. If your new to pvp and have limited knowledge fit out a couple rifters, mash some buttons, get some adrenaline pumping, and have fun... all for 2-4m ISK per explosion. God forbid you might figure out some good squad tactics, forcibly run off your opponents and suddenly enjoy occasional PvP.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Lusinara
Unshackled Mineral Management Tribe
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.04 19:25:00 -
[103] - Quote
For all the people who think we should have fun being forced to play PVP...
How about you are forced to do nothing but mine for a week.
Or forced to do nothing but PI for a week.
Or forced to do nothing but (insert whatever you DONT pay to play the game to do) for a week.
Your arguments are assinine because you ignore the one simple fact....
No matter what we could do... it's not an option... we are being forced to change our fun into what these guys think is fun. Forced to play a game their way. When we pay to play it too.. |
Cardval Simalia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.04 19:56:00 -
[104] - Quote
When my mains greif corp got war dec'd by mercs who were hired to kill us for using shady agro timer tactics against a noob mission running corp which we had allready dec'd we used dec shield to remove the unwanted war dec. Cheers keep this great service up, unwanted wars are a pain in the arse I want to engage my targets when i choose not them. We just re dec'd our targets again after. |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
81
|
Posted - 2011.12.04 20:25:00 -
[105] - Quote
Lusinara wrote:For all the people who think we should have fun being forced to play PVP...
How about you are forced to do nothing but mine for a week.
Or forced to do nothing but PI for a week.
Or forced to do nothing but (insert whatever you DONT pay to play the game to do) for a week.
Your arguments are assinine because you ignore the one simple fact....
No matter what we could do... it's not an option... we are being forced to change our fun into what these guys think is fun. Forced to play a game their way. When we pay to play it too..
Your playing a game, almost entirely built around PvP and don't want to listen to any alternative other then 'join alliance. drop alliance. no more wardec'. So essentially what your preaching is instead of becoming a better player/pilot and building strength in teamwork within your organization; your just not going to play for a day because someone war dec'd you?
If your in a corporation, and you get war-dec'd and things start to fall apart FIND A BETTER CORP.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
436
|
Posted - 2011.12.04 21:37:00 -
[106] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:blub blub blub QQ waaaaaa muuuuuuummmmyyyyyyy
If you don't want PVP, leave the game.
Simple as that.
Claiming CCP should listen to the members who joined a PVP game and then complain there is PVP in it would require CCP being ********. They would also lose all the members who are actually out there playing the game as an MMO, and keep you insular solo mission running carebears, who have never done anything worth mentioning, ever. Oh look you saved the Damsel for the 800th time? Post it on EN24.
I KNOW WHAT. Great plan for you. Why don't you book a holiday to the arctic and then complain it's too cold?
**** off and play X3. Alt-tab to Skype if you really need to do this with friends.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 05:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
You do realize that high sec wars can be almost completely mitigated right? Without joining an alliance, or dropping your corp, and you can skip the entire e-bullying crap too.
let's see if you actually had any useful ideas:
Fly something fast if your traveling.. A nano'd interceptor (with warp speed rig) for travel is pretty much not catchable. Even a cloaky T3 (because those are fun to catch in Empire and just as Hard in Null/Low).
uh yeah... and? can i run missions in that ship? can i mine in that ship? can i do exploration in that ship? no?
If you really wanted to drive them crazy, get your friends to fit out cheap Merlins with NanoFibers, and Polycarb Rigs to zip around from gate to gate- this really annoys the snot out of any group of would be aggressors.
what if my friends dont want to?
You could move out to some remote pocket of space for a week, just get a trusted corp member to use an alt to Freighter the essentials out there (or Red Frog who are amazing for this). Live in the middle of nowhere for a few days, and if they find you, rinse, repeat. (Derelik anyone?)
do you know what "locator agents" are?
Theres even a few High Sec pockets that are 3 or 4 systems completely surrounded by lowsec (Avada, Ronne, Eldulf; just some examples). Most griefer corps are full of people that prey on the weak, and will avoid low-sec like the plague. Hell if your corp bases out of there anyway, your chances of even being noticed by these people is pretty damn small (plus- they'd have to get by whatever pirates live in those areas anywhere, before they can get to you).
yeah, and i'd have to get by those pirates, too. no thanks - this idea basically forces me through lo-sec.
Or you could stay in one system, make tons of bookmarks with an alt, distribute them to your corp, and go back to business as usual, just stay aligned in missions/belts/wherever... Just make sure you have a bookmark at your station so you land on top of it, and can dock immediately (and have a group of instant undocking bookmarks in random intervals for 2000km from the station).
this lets us play for a few scant hours before the griefers log in, and then it's pretty much sit in station all day being lol'd at.
Any of these simple things can make a war more bother then its worth, even the dedicated will get bored after a few days, just play defensively, be prepared, and know when to run away. The only difference between most griefers and most carebears is a basic knowledge of game mechanics; so instead of joining dec shield; why not have fun, and learn to be a better pilot?
oh yeah? my corp has been dec'd for 2 months by a griefercorp who haven't even scored a single kill on us. but there they are, day after day, on their mains and alts in tengus and jaguars sitting outside station every time any of us log in.
gee, guess you didn't have any good ideas after all.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 05:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Your playing a game, almost entirely built around PvP
says who? don't see that written anywhere. did ccp say it? funny im looking on this chart "what to do in eve" and only about 10-15% of it seems to be pvp...
find me some official statement from the developers that this is "primarily a pvp game".
So essentially what your preaching is instead of becoming a better player/pilot and building strength in teamwork within your organization; your just not going to play for a day because someone war dec'd you?
you mean becoming better at something i dont want to do? what, you mean undock in my rifter and get blown up, rinse and repeat ad nauseum? hey, you tell me that a rifter can blow up a tengu, that its actually possible, and ill get to work on it right now figuring out how.
If your in a corporation, and you get war-dec'd and things start to fall apart FIND A BETTER CORP.
as mentioned before, we're a small time corp of 5 rl friends. we dont have to disband and we wont disband.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 05:54:00 -
[109] - Quote
If you don't want PVP, leave the game.
nope.
Simple as that.
says you? pfffffft.
Claiming CCP should listen to the members who joined a PVP game and then complain there is PVP in it would require CCP being ********.
where is it official stated or advertised that eve is a "pvp game"? last i checked there was way more to do in eve than pvp.... find me some official statements from ccp please...
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 05:58:00 -
[110] - Quote
basically all the anger in this thread boils down to 1 thing:
bullies mad they can't bully anymore.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
83
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 07:24:00 -
[111] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:basically all the anger in this thread boils down to 1 thing:
I'm a whiny ***** and need to HTFU..
Fixed Your Post Bro-sef.
Seriously, grow a set, join an alliance, go shoot at people... maybe one day you will actually experience 'playing EvE'.
Serious question mode: Whats the point of mining, exploration, mission running and industry if in your perfect no violence internet spaceship world, no ships ever get destroyed?
You make money off these things because **** explodes. Back to your meager carebear ***** prattle.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
437
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 09:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:where is it official stated or advertised that eve is a "pvp game"? last i checked there was way more to do in eve than pvp.... find me some official statements from ccp please...
On the main Page.
On the "about" page
On the "frequently asked questions" page
On all the marketing they've ever done
In all the media about Eve
In the tutorial
If you want to hear dev quotes on this, stick "cold harsh universe" into eve-search and read the hundreds of posts.
In fact, wonderful straw man builder, why don't you show me where, in marketing material or otherwise, Eve advertises something akin to a "safe area" free from the usual PVP?
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
437
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 09:46:00 -
[113] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:basically all the anger in this thread boils down to 1 thing:
bullies mad they can't bully anymore.
No.
People are mad that ******* mouthbreathers like you join a PVP game and then whine, and whine, and whine that you didn't want that, and that CCP should change the rules for you.
You fail to understand the basic game concepts, but feel it is wise to comment anyway.
Put a gun to your head. (in game)
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 10:00:00 -
[114] - Quote
Yes this game is a PVP game.
Whether it is Explosions, Markets, Industial. People are competing with each other, it is just the form it takes place in thats differs.
I prever the explosions type of PVP. Others don't so I no problem with them trying to get away from that form of PVP, which Dec Shield allows them to.
What I do get tired about is the those that want to violence a ship call those that don't pussies. Everybody has their way of playing the game.
Just let it be and move on to the next target, it really is that simple.
People that don't want to fight do get caught in wars sometimes, it just takes carefull coordination and entrapment to catch them for that kill. Whther it is at a gate, or in a belt in some secluded system. You can catch them if you try.
So I really don't understand what the fightin is about. Some people enjoy building empires, others like shooting it down.
"Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Six Kin Mining and Development Group
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 10:32:00 -
[115] - Quote
I have better solution to unwanted wardecks.
1. Create 1 man alt corp.
2. Create Ally with that Corp.
3. Create 2 more alt corps ( A, B), more if needed.
4. Wardec your ally with corps A and B.
5. Make war mutual with Ally to avoid future costs for corps A, B. WWar never happen for real as its your alt corps.
6. Congratulations!! You have just raised next wardec costs to 150m / week or more ( see point 3 ). That should be high enough
to make it not worth to most griefers.
Enjoy.
|
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 12:00:00 -
[116] - Quote
I try to avoid posting other than if I need some help or I want to help. So awaiting the flames 
FWIW my main was/is mainly carebear - missions, mining, industrialist and I set up an alt account purely for PvP.
They have joined a corp that are PvP and regularly do roams in low/nul sec.
Yes Eve has PvP but it is not a PvP only game and it really is annoying for people to use that 'argument' to justify high-sec griefing.
I have been ganked and accept it but when a corp war decs a pure carebear corp it really is a rather sad comment on the war deccers as individuals and their skill (or lack of) in game. I'm happy to admit I'm crap at PvP but love the rush you get when you're sent through a gate first and get jumped by a gang - overloading everything whilst you move towards hull and your corpmates jump in - like last night -I lost a BC but we took down a tier 3 BC and 2 other BC's with even numbers - was fun.
However, we went out looking for trouble - griefing people enough does lead to ragequit - yeah no doubt hilarious to some but you can have your chuckles and a challenge going to low sec - everyone knows the score - if you're there expect trouble. Personally our corp generally leave indy's etc alone - I mean what skill is involved FFS any teenage, socially excluded malcontent can get a kill by attacking those they perceive as weak - personally if I did that I wouldn't brag about it...but then I don't understand how you get your kicks by irritating others and the 'tears' of someone who quits game seems to be the ultimate joy  .
Mind you if all the carebears were griefed out of game (yeah never happen) you might have to fight corps that are even remotely half decent and maybe you'd quit  |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
438
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 12:41:00 -
[117] - Quote
george harries wrote:However, we went out looking for trouble
Confirming the citizens of Afghanistan willingly walked into a PVP zone 
As soon as you make some areas "safe" and others "hostile" you break the risk : reward dynamic. Since you can get near zero risk, any reward is too much.
Funnily enough, positions like yours are the most stupefying there are. Your argument is based on the fallacious assumption that one can only mission, mine and be an industrialist in highsec, and ergo "highsec protection" equals "industry protection."
This is wrong. Highsec is not necessary, it is simply a very, very comforting blanket. If you removed all the PVP from highsec, you would also need to remove all the reward.
You chose.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 13:38:00 -
[118] - Quote
Sorry - without getting involved in a flame war - i agree there shouldn't be nil risk - but I'm talking about deliberate griefing for the sake of it. Frankly, if a high sec 'carebear' corp has members smack talking and hassling people - yeah war decc them - legitimate reason. But war deccing people just doing their own thing makes no sense to me. It's just for easy kills and, frankly, is just playground bullying in a different format ...yes this is just a game....but some people play just to relax and mining etc is there way of doing that. Kicking them about because you can or because they don't PvP is just ....meh. Yeah it's a sandbox and I wouldn't change the mechanics in any way but I can't comprehend the mentality.
People who deliberately target them for this are merely turning people off the game, to me that makes the game a less rich environment. My opinion, not right or wrong and I'm sure many disagree with me but I have seen both sides of the coin and being decced as a PvP corp with home stations in high sec (next to low) is a different scenario than a small PvE based corp who have no idea about PvP and so are just easy kills for the people who war decc for no reason at all. When we are decced we will lose ships we will hunt them and attack their POSs etc - and so they get gf and so do we....just really lame (IMHO) attacking a non-PvP based corp - like hunting your prey when it's tied to a post - you don't have to dislike hunting to see the patheticness of the scenario. |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
83
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 15:02:00 -
[119] - Quote
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:I have better solution to unwanted wardecks.
1. Create 1 man alt corp.
2. Create Ally with that Corp.
3. Create 2 more alt corps ( A, B), more if needed.
4. Wardec your ally with corps A and B.
5. Make war mutual with Ally to avoid future costs for corps A, B. WWar never happen for real as its your alt corps.
6. Congratulations!! You have just raised next wardec costs to 150m / week or more ( see point 3 ). That should be high enough
to make it not worth to most griefers.
Enjoy.
Thats a fine theory and all, if you had any idea what you were talking about.
When you pay to war-dec a corp/alliance you pay 2M/50M ISK respectively for each of their INBOUND war decs, not outbound; and by making the war mutual (so as neither party is paying a fee to concord) it doesn't change the cost of war. Regardless as to how much the war is going to cost... a couple hundred million ISK is completely worth it, if you have an overly active corp, with active members, that are consolidated in a handful of systems.
Avoiding a war is relatively simple, and you can even have great fun with would be aggressors if you wanted to. EvE revolves around PvP, Empire Building, Politics, Backhanded Villainy, and Drama. Don't like it? Thats fine, I'm sure your 6-7 months here will be boring and full of little red boxy things, and veldspar.
This is EvE.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 15:46:00 -
[120] - Quote
Seriously, grow a set,
a set of wha- oh. i see your problem. you take this game too seriously. hey bro let me ask you... when you turn your computer off, are you still a hero...?
maybe one day you will actually experience 'playing EvE'.
i have an alt in rvb, does that count?!
Whats the point of mining, exploration, mission running and industry if in your perfect no violence internet spaceship world, no ships ever get destroyed?
i don't know "bro", the last i checked people played games for fun, and some people do indeed have fun doing those htings.
You make money off these things because **** explodes. Back to your meager carebear ***** prattle.
yeah, and? that doesn't make this a "pvp game" nor does it necessitate my corp being wardecced for 2 months.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 15:51:00 -
[121] - Quote
On the main Page.
On the "about" page
On the "frequently asked questions" page
On all the marketing they've ever done
In all the media about Eve
In the tutorial
not seeing it. i see mentions of pvp, but nowhere is it stated that pvp is the central theme of eve.
If you want to hear dev quotes on this, stick "cold harsh universe" into eve-search and read the hundreds of posts.
that doesn't make it a pvp game. more so that illustrates the fact that little pr*cks like you act like out on the forums.
"More to do than PVP" does not mean you should be able to do this in an environment free of it. They are not mutually exclusive. I can PVE in nullsec, why can't you?
did i say an environment free of it? no, i didn't, so go construct some more straw men. why aren't i in null-sec? because im not in a gigantic carebear null-sec alliance that has everyone and their uncle set blue.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 15:54:00 -
[122] - Quote
People are mad that ******* mouthbreathers like you join a PVP game
not seeing where this is "a pvp game" rather than "a game with pvp option".
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Whether it is Explosions, Markets, Industial. People are competing with each other, it is just the form it takes place in thats differs.
while this is a clever play on words ill grant you that but when people say "pvp" they refer to violence.
Quote:What I do get tired about is the those that want to violence a ship call those that don't pussies. Everybody has their way of playing the game.
thank you. it's a f*cking computer game. how you can call someone a "*****" just escapes me. do they really take it that seriously that they identify their manhood with shooting lazers at other people in a spaceship game?
I have better solution to unwanted wardecks.
1. Create 1 man alt corp.
2. Create Ally with that Corp.
3. Create 2 more alt corps ( A, B), more if needed.
4. Wardec your ally with corps A and B.
5. Make war mutual with Ally to avoid future costs for corps A, B. WWar never happen for real as its your alt corps.
6. Congratulations!! You have just raised next wardec costs to 150m / week or more ( see point 3 ). That should be high enough
to make it not worth to most griefers.
Enjoy.
can you loan me the initial 1 bil?
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 15:55:00 -
[123] - Quote
in closing on big EL. OH. EL. to all the hard-talking pirates and griefers going on about "courage" in reference to shooting lazers at other people in a spaceship computer game lolololol
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
45
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 16:13:00 -
[124] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:in closing on big EL. OH. EL. to all the hard-talking pirates and griefers going on about "courage" in reference to shooting lazers at other people in a spaceship computer game lolololol
Why so mad? |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 16:13:00 -
[125] - Quote
Why so mad?
lol
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
111
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 16:21:00 -
[126] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Justin Credulent wrote:blub blub blub QQ waaaaaa muuuuuuummmmyyyyyyy If you don't want PVP, leave the game. Simple as that. Claiming CCP should listen to the members who joined a PVP game and then complain there is PVP in it would require CCP being ********. They would also lose all the members who are actually out there playing the game as an MMO, and keep you insular solo mission running carebears, who have never done anything worth mentioning, ever. Oh look you saved the Damsel for the 800th time? Post it on EN24. I KNOW WHAT. Great plan for you. Why don't you book a holiday to the arctic and then complain it's too cold? **** off and play X3. Alt-tab to Skype if you really need to do this with friends.
This ^^^ |
Lavraen
Animus Furandi
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 16:36:00 -
[127] - Quote
Wont joining this alliance to escape the griefers actually flag the escaping noobs to even more griefers? All the escaping noobs concentrated in one place? Like a shop window for noob bashing? Forget recruitment chat, just check who has gone through the revolving doors at Dec Shield?. Having Dec Shield on your employment history could be thought of as a cowards tattoo? Couple of infiltration alts would lead to bountiful targets methinks... |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 16:37:00 -
[128] - Quote
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
111
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 17:07:00 -
[129] - Quote
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
444
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 17:30:00 -
[130] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:If you want to hear dev quotes on this, stick "cold harsh universe" into eve-search and read the hundreds of posts.
that doesn't make it a pvp game. more so that illustrates the fact that little pr*cks like you act like out on the forums.
Dev quotes, you special little snowflake. You asked to see where the devs told you it was a PVP game, go look.
Quote:did i say an environment free of it? no, i didn't, so go construct some more straw men. why aren't i in null-sec? because im not in a gigantic carebear null-sec alliance that has everyone and their uncle set blue.
Well then fine. If nullsec is for carebears, go carebear there. Wardecs are irrelevant.
Wait, no. You want to do it in highsec, with no wardecs, whilst splurging about how everyone else needs to change.
Let me put this to you:
If PVP isn't a central theme. If PVP isn't the underlying premise, then why does the game ALLOW these things to happen:
- Wardecs.
- Being able to fire on another ship in highsec without aggression or permission.
Both of these things are intentionally coded into the game. Why?
When you answer these, you may become enlightened.
Eve is unique in the fact these things can happen. It is marketed as unique in that these things can happen. I seriously have no idea how you can start playing these game and NOT get that it is a PVP game.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
83
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 17:38:00 -
[131] - Quote
I love how your all anti-wardec, anti-griefer, anti-ganker..
but..
Your in an NPC Corp, and have HTFU in your signature.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Cregg Neir
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
4
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 18:01:00 -
[132] - Quote
My corp has gone through about 30 high sec wars during our existence. Some have been fun. Most have not.
Some were from corps who really brought a war that was interesting to fight.
Most were from corps run by hormonal adolescents who wanted to scream pVssy and fVggot into local as often as they could, while hugging their home station and undocking long enough to pretend to fight now and then. Why declare a war and expect your opponent, mostly miners and industrialists, to come and play station games with you? Why declare a war and expect other people to bring YOU a fight?
A war dec ought to be a real war, not an excuse for a long week of endless pleas to undock and fight. In my corp, we expect somebody who declares war on us to bring a war and force us to fight by endangering something that we need.
I think the Dec Shield service is terrific. There ought to be a place for newbie corps and small miner corps to get some real protection. This can only help the game.
If high sec were safe for all but consensual pvp, the whole game would grow and pvp opportunities in low sec and null sec would grow, too. I know a lot of people don't agree with that, but I've personally seen three new members quit the game for every one who stayed, most of them because of a ganking or a war dec killing early in their capsuleer careers.
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Justin Credulent
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:24:00 -
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Dev quotes, you special little snowflake. You asked to see where the devs told you it was a PVP game, go look.
yep and as i already went over for you, nowhere is it stated that pvp is: "a central theme", "what this game is all about", "mandatory"
do try to keep up.
You want to do it in highsec, with no wardecs, whilst splurging about how everyone else needs to change.
please quote where i said wardecs and/or pvp should be taken out of the game.
ill wait.
meanwhile it sounds to me like you're some post-pubescant manchild who wants to protect his right to bully up on unsuspecting players. it never ceases to amaze me how much adrenaline some boys get pumping through their veins over a computer game...
Eve is unique in the fact these things can happen. //I seriously have no idea how you can start playing these game and NOT get that it is a PVP game. // some logical fallacy bla bla bla
hey, did you know that you can mine ore in eve? i guess eve is a mining game!
I love how your all anti-wardec, anti-griefer, anti-ganker..
but..
Your in an NPC Corp, and have HTFU in your signature.
never heard of alts? geez i thought eve was for smart people...
Most were from corps run by hormonal adolescents who wanted to scream pVssy and fVggot into local as often as they could
did their names happen to be Khanh'rhh or Xolve?
Why declare a war and expect your opponent, mostly miners and industrialists, to come and play station games with you?
exactly. what these kids dont realize is that the people utilizing decshields are "civilian corporations", and they want to come bully us and "school us" on the rules *they* made up out of the blue to justify their antisocial, abusive behavior. who made them an authority? not me. probably why we're arguing - because i dont recognize their authority. because they have none. they just have pixels and an attitude problem.
I think the Dec Shield service is terrific. There ought to be a place for newbie corps and small miner corps to get some real protection. This can only help the game.
yeah, and you can tell which people dont actually care about eve, but are instead just using it as a means to bully other people.
hint: they say things like "dont like it, dont play the game."
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:28:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote: Stuff
Alt posting makes your argument invalid. Post with main, or gtfo.
And no- RvB doesn't count as PvP. (Although there are PvPers in RvB)
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Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:32:00 -
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you know id love to see what sorts of tears flow out of the eyes of people like xolve if ccp created a mechanic wherein he was forced to mine and run industry for 7 day periods whenever some other player felt like making him.
imagine that: you pay concord 2 million isk to put a corporation "on notice"... and whenever they undock in anything except for mining barges or industrial haulers, concord scrambles and jams them so they can't do anything.
i mean, not that xolve would be justified to complain. i mean not by his logic an reasoning: many of the advertisements and media revolving around eve depict gathering resources and building things. therefore, industry is a central theme of eve and as such he should have known better when he started playing...
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:32:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Alright alright. I lost the argument, so I'm just going to dismiss you angrily before you make me look even worse.
aight "bro". concession accepted.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:01:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Xolve wrote:Alright alright. I lost the argument, so I'm just going to dismiss you angrily before you make me look even worse. aight "bro". concession accepted. but im not going to post on my main, because youve proven yourself to be an abusive, bullying type of person and im not going to open myself up to in-game harassment just because your little bully ego is too fragile to have the flaws in your reasoning pointed out to you...
And he wonders why he gets wardecced a lot
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Justin Credulent
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:07:00 -
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Quote:And he wonders why he gets wardecced a lot
ahem.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:13:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:And he wonders why he gets wardecced a lot ahem.
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Xolve
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:30:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:More tears.
Actually, since you completely picked apart a brief, yet suprisingly thorough write up of how to handle a war dec without giving your would be opposition the glory in making you 'turn tail and run' as it were; you give me half a dozen reasons basically saying your entirely to lazy to be asked to do something other then whatever it is you do; and how dare the them for mettling with your simple wishes to be an all inclusive ****** I mean carebear to your hearts content.
I have conceded no argument my good man, and you over affectionate use of the word 'bro' has been noted. However, EvE being the multi-faceted beast that it is, deems PvP as a multitude of things, some people play the market and the .01 ISK game (with or without the use of unscrupulous 3rd party programming), some manipulate the mineral market (by either force or asset denial... i.e. the GoonSwarm Ice-Ban); others build vast industrial complexes producing all manner of things (and flooding the market with them, to form a strategic withdrawl of good (and forcibily increase demand)); and some people prefer the simple enjoyment of blowing someone up- At least the war dec'ing corp gave you the luxury of saying 'Hey.. in 24 hours, its on.' Unlike myself or some of my friends... 'Wait- whats that -10 thrasher doing?' 'Oh its locking me' 'I didn't want that Hulk anyway'.
All the examples previously mentioned are all forms of PvP. If nobody died- there wouldn't be a drive for item/ship/module production, if there was no production, there would be no mining, and if there were no mining, there would also be no ratting, and if there were no ratting, we'll we'd all be running L5's/Incursions for the hell of it, enjoying our utopian paradise where nothing ever, under any circumstances gets exploded... does this sound fun to you? Amazing, go download a trainer and play Command and Conquer or some other ****** RTS.
All of the trailers in the last few years have all been based on conquering space, crushing adversaries, or paying back old grudges. I have yet to see a single trailer with a message of 'Play EvE. Enjoy Space Harvesting, Eventually Build Stuff'. Why?
Because its ******* dull.
I eagerly await your response about what a terrible poster I am, and how I must be wrong.
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Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:24:00 -
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Actually, since you completely picked apart a brief, yet suprisingly thorough write up of how to handle a war dec without giving your would be opposition the glory in making you 'turn tail and run' as it were;
i dismissed that write up for one reason that you seemed to miss:
it forces me into a very narrow set of play options that i do not enjoy. why should i be forced to grab a cloaky ship and dodge pirates in lo-sec for 7 days? (or 14...21... 28 days... however long the griefers feel like keeping me dec'd?)
you give me half a dozen reasons basically saying your entirely to lazy
lazy? this is a computer game. we're all sitting here on our butts tapping a keyboard and clicking a mouse. i think you need to get outside and chop some wood or build a stone wall or something to gain some perspective on what the words "effort" and "work" really mean.
and how dare the them for mettling with your simple wishes to be an all inclusive ****** I mean carebear to your hearts content.
how dare those carebears mettle with your right to abuse people and make them quit the game!!! those carebears should just mind their own-
oh wait.
However, EvE being the multi-faceted beast that it is, deems PvP as a multitude of things,
see, right there youre actually conceded my argument (eve is multi-faceted and thus pvp is only one small part of it), yet at the same time, your ego doesnt let you do this, so you broaden the definition of pvp to include everything.
alright fine. hey, we're pvping right now. but why are you so angry about it? i thought you liked pvp.
oh, right. you only like pvp when you have the advantage. you dont have the advantage here because you simply cannot hold your own in a debate with me. which is why youre raging... and why you wanted my main character name... to take it in game... and "teach me a lesson" about making you look foolish on the forums huh...
All the examples previously mentioned are all forms of PvP. If nobody died- there wouldn't be a drive for item/ship/module production, if there was no production, there would be no mining, and if there were no mining, there would also be no ratting, and if there were no ratting, we'll we'd all be running L5's/Incursions for the hell of it, enjoying our utopian paradise where nothing ever, under any circumstances gets exploded... does this sound fun to you? Amazing, go download a trainer and play Command and Conquer or some other ****** RTS.
until you can provide some quotes from me wherein i state that wardecs should be removed entirely, or that there should never be any pvp in the game, statements such as these remain straw men and thus not worthy of actual rebuttal.
Because its ******* dull.
for you, maybe. but then gain, no one is forcing you to do it, now are they? see thats the problem with your argument: its founded on a sense of entitlement resulting in a fundamental hypocrisy and irrationality.
see, for me, and many others, mining, building things, etc... are fun, enjoyable ways to pass the time. you find it dull. that is alright. no one will force you to mine. any suggestion that you should be forced to mine would probably be met with much outrage and crying.
for you, and many others, blowing things up and pvping are fun and enjoyable ways to pass the time. i for one find it dull and a pain in the arse. but heres the problem - you are arguing that i should be forced to pvp because thats what you want to do. eve ceases to be a sandbox and becomes "xolve online".
this is what makes your argument unfounded, illogical, and immoral. its also what makes you a "bully in the sandbox".
I eagerly await your response about what a terrible poster I am, and how I must be wrong.
i don't think youre a bad poster. i just think you carry a lot of pain around inside. i also think youre an abusive person and a bully who probably suffers from borderline personality disorder. its simply the only way i can explain the irrational, abusive, and entitlement viewpoint youre arguing from. i would suggest therapy if you can afford it.
also... its very revealing that youre arguing that not only should you have the right to bully, bash, and harass me whenever you feel like it... but that i should also learn to enjoy it. one of the fundamental hallmarks of degenerate sociopaths is the intense desire and fantasy to find a willing victim...
inb4 more rage and illogical statements from xolve.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:46:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote: it forces me into a very narrow set of play options that i do not enjoy. why should i be forced to grab a cloaky ship and dodge pirates in lo-sec for 7 days? (or 14...21... 28 days... however long the griefers feel like keeping me dec'd?)
Uhm, actually it was a brief list at SOME of the possibilities you could use to escape said entrapment. Only one of them was to actually stand and fight, and I understand on alot of levels, why that isn't necessarily appealing to most people.
Justin Credulent wrote: lazy? this is a computer game. we're all sitting here on our butts tapping a keyboard and clicking a mouse. i think you need to get outside and chop some wood or build a stone wall or something to gain some perspective on what the words "effort" and "work" really mean.
I was leaning more for the laziness at an adaptability standpoint, essentially you want to be left alone in your little spacegame, just you and your friends, doing whatever it is you do- thats fine. Understood even, but change happens in everything, its just a matter of if your capable of embracing it or not. Which clearly, you are not.
Justin Credulent wrote:how dare those carebears mettle with your right to abuse people and make them quit the game!!! those carebears should just mind their own-
oh wait.
Well up until CCP release'd the worst expansion ever, Incarna; they had a more then solid player base, that embraced the idea that this game is rough; There is risk vs. reward, and in most situations, it is possible to have small scale profiteering erupt into a full fledged war, at a moments notice.
My biggest argument against your views lies here for the most part. Everyone accumulates wealth in this game, in one form or another through various revenue streams. Inevitably someone else realizes that 'hey- their stream is more lucrative then ours; lets take them out, and make more money'. Typical modern day American business doctrine really, the methods can change, the results are still pretty similar, it just relies in the vehicle in which said judgement was carried out.
Some people get bought, others get pushed. Choices.
Justin Credulent wrote:see, right there youre actually conceded my argument (eve is multi-faceted and thus pvp is only one small part of it), yet at the same time, your ego doesnt let you do this, so you broaden the definition of pvp to include everything.
alright fine. hey, we're pvping right now. but why are you so angry about it? i thought you liked pvp.
oh, right. you only like pvp when you have the advantage. you dont have the advantage here because you simply cannot hold your own in a debate with me. which is why youre raging... and why you wanted my main character name... to take it in game... and "teach me a lesson" about making you look foolish on the forums huh...
Actually, I never said that PvP was all inclusive of blowing ships up- so by your logic- I didn't concede anything. Of course more often then not enjoy a tactile advantage when I go about carrying out the destruction of mine enemies, but thats a personal choice- I've ended conflicts with conversation just as often as with Barrage L.
I personally don't care who your main is, nor am I going to track you down in the game and administer some sort of punishment, your kind are seldom worth the trouble. Again- I am just disagreeing with you point of view, and while we are just supposed to accept the game you want to play- you for whatever reason take great offense to the game we want to play, arguing this point on C&P is probably counter-productive, since the game I like to play, is pretty much the game they play.
Justin Creulent wrote:for you, maybe. but then gain, no one is forcing you to do it, now are they? see thats the problem with your argument: its founded on a sense of entitlement resulting in a fundamental hypocrisy and irrationality.
see, for me, and many others, mining, building things, etc... are fun, enjoyable ways to pass the time. you find it dull. that is alright. no one will force you to mine. any suggestion that you should be forced to mine would probably be met with much outrage and crying. for you, and many others, blowing things up and pvping are fun and enjoyable ways to pass the time. i for one find it dull and a pain in the arse. but heres the problem - you are arguing that i should be forced to pvp because thats what you want to do. eve ceases to be a sandbox and becomes "xolve online".
this is what makes your argument unfounded, illogical, and immoral. its also what makes you a "bully in the sandbox".
No my argument is founded on the basic principle that I am going to play the game however I want, and so are you, you know- that basic sandbox theory.. Your sitting here trying to reason us with why we should give a single gram of **** about the way you like to space jew it up- yet we, the amassed bullies of EvE should be punished for cyber bulling and therefore we are all thereby societal rejects hosting a vast array of psychological problems.
When actually, most of us have been here for years, and we are sick and tired of whiny carebears changing our game for the worse when game mechanics that have been "working as intended" for damn near a decade are now being fixed because mouth breathing retards fail to read a warning box.
Is it upsetting, sure. Am I mad? No.
Given your penchant for bad attempts at slanderous rage, its no small wonder you have been war-dec'd for 2 months. Most people just drop corp, hold it with an alt, and make a new one.
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Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.05 21:15:00 -
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heh, xolve is trying to play mature now that ive pointed out that he was raging earlier.
but okay, if you want to play nice, i wont begrudge you. :)
Uhm, actually it was a brief list at SOME of the possibilities you could use to escape said entrapment. Only one of them was to actually stand and fight, and I understand on alot of levels, why that isn't necessarily appealing to most people.
while i actually appreciate you seeing it from my perspective, you fall a bit short: can you also see, from my perspective, why it also is not appealing for my small corp to venture into lo-sec (where we won't get a 24 hour warning if someone decides to shoot at us) and be forced to fly nothing but fast, cloaky ships?
also, you told us to change systems. i responded that they can simply use a locator agent. how is that "an excuse that makes me lazy"?
I was leaning more for the laziness at an adaptability standpoint, essentially you want to be left alone in your little spacegame, just you and your friends, doing whatever it is you do- thats fine. Understood even, but change happens in everything, its just a matter of if your capable of embracing it or not. Which clearly, you are not.
change happens in everything - yet youre arguing so adamantly against an update of wardec mechanics!
its okay for things to change just so long as no one suggests a change that you dont like.
Well up until CCP release'd the worst expansion ever, Incarna; they had a more then solid player base, that embraced the idea that this game is rough; There is risk vs. reward, and in most situations, it is possible to have small scale profiteering erupt into a full fledged war, at a moments notice.
im not saying there shouldnt be risk in the game. there is always suicide-ganking (ive suffered a few of those myself).
however if a 20 man corp full of experienced players wardecs a small 5 man corp of noobies... where is their risk?
see, this is what makes me say youre just entitled. youre putting all the burden and responsibility and risk on one party: the victims. this is what makes you a bully. bullies always blame their victims.
My biggest argument against your views lies here for the most part. Everyone accumulates wealth in this game, in one form or another through various revenue streams. Inevitably someone else realizes that 'hey- their stream is more lucrative then ours; lets take them out, and make more money'. Typical modern day American business doctrine really, the methods can change, the results are still pretty similar, it just relies in the vehicle in which said judgement was carried out.
im not going to say this doesnt happen in eve... but for the most part, what were discussing here is how wardec mechanics can be abused by griefers to completely deny people the ability to play the game. i highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that the people who wardecced my corp are doing so to prevent us mining veldspar in egyfe or because our revenue stream from running missions is interfering with their game.
No my argument is founded on the basic principle that I am going to play the game however I want, and so are you, you know- that basic sandbox theory.. Your sitting here trying to reason us with why we should give a single gram of **** about the way you like to space jew it up- yet we, the amassed bullies of EvE should be punished for cyber bulling and therefore we are all thereby societal rejects hosting a vast array of psychological problems.
lets leave the anti-semitism out of this, shall we? although i am not surprised you harbor racist, bigoted sentiments, this is simply not the place for that sort of commentary.
now, moving on:
i never said anything about punishing anyone. please quote me on that.
youre arguing for playing the game however you want, and youre asking me to give a sh*t about it
-meanwhile-
saying you dont give a **** about me wanting to play the game how i want
-furthermore-
your style of gameplay interferes with my style of gameplay
-therefore-
i should be unsympathetic with you
-however-
i am a rational, fair enough person to respect your interests
-therefore-
i feel the wardec mechanics should be updated in such a way that allows us to come to a compromise
-wherein-
you can play how you want to play and i can play how i want to play
-currently-
the mechanics are set up in such a way that i am forced to play the game the way you want
-the fact is-
ccp grants validity to my argument by changing the wardec mechanic insofar as players can hop alliance to clear a dec
When actually, most of us have been here for years, and we are sick and tired of whiny carebears changing our game for the worse when game mechanics that have been "working as intended" for damn near a decade are now being fixed because mouth breathing retards fail to read a warning box.
ah theres that self-righteous rage again...
so by me being prevented from playing the game -at all-, this is actually intended? is ccp trying make money or what?
Given your penchant for bad attempts at slanderous rage, its no small wonder you have been war-dec'd for 2 months. Most people just drop corp, hold it with an alt, and make a new one.
please see my link concerning "fundamental attribution error". thanks.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 21:40:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:heh, xolve is trying to play mature now that ive pointed out that he was raging earlier. but okay, if you want to play nice, i wont begrudge you. :)
Actually I was calm throughout and even took the time to enlighten you as even though you've been war-dec'd for 2 months now, its not the end of the world; and theres certain things you can do to grief those wishing to grief you. You said you didn't want to for whatever reason, and fine, continue to sit in a station, while others are sitting on said station; and THEN began your little tirade as to why your right and we're all oh so wrong.
Please take into consideration that I am not an avid fan of station games, and don't lump me into that sort. Fact of the matter, don't lump me into anything, or find yourself guilty of your own "fundamental attribution error". Boring your opposition to death, or taking it a step further and frustrating them to no end can end an otherwise boring campaign of station sitting/ship spinning.
Personally, I could careless what you choose to do. I've already made my assesment of you and yours, and you can either listen to sound advice from the people in this forum that embody the very players you've recently come to resent (since at one point or another we've all found this fun for varying lengths of time) or you can sit there on your perch looking down on all of us ne'erdowells with your eyes cast to a horizon of boredom and ship spinning.
I also, don't care if you like, agree with, or enjoy the manner in which I play the game, which has no effect on you whatsoever (and regardless of the amount of pre-pubescent rage and whining you put into it, won't change; mostly due in part to our motivation to be the ingame bully is directly linked to you voicing your malcontempt for our in-game spaceship bullying, it feeds us, and we enjoy it). You have no idea where I like to see ships explode, just that I like to make them explode. You sit there at home all boyishly suggesting that I am wrong, and I am your antithesis and all you oppose, yet- you know nothing about me, other then I offered advice, you shunned it, and now I am taking a moment to relish in your public arrogance and stupidity.
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Justin Credulent
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Posted - 2011.12.05 21:48:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Preachy, emotionally charged words, self-aggrandizement, and personal attacks.
in other words, your concession is accepted (again)
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
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Posted - 2011.12.05 21:58:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Stuff
Man, winning an internet spaceship forum argument is super important isn't it?
I too like to ask for advice, get sound, reasonable advice, and come up with reasons the would be advice giver is mentally imbalanced and is perched on cyclical-argumentative rage.
Cool story bro?
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Justin Credulent
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:00:00 -
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Man, winning an internet spaceship forum argument is super important isn't it?
heh, losers always say this sort of thing. how conveniently they forget their own vigorous efforts...
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:09:00 -
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Jason Credulent wrote:lets leave the anti-semitism out of this, shall we? although i am not surprised you harbor racist, bigoted sentiments, this is simply not the place for that sort of commentary.
Certain un-named null-sec alliances often refer to PvE and the like as Space Jewing or Space Communism, just make comments revelent to the game and gameplay (also CCP don't recognize the holocaust as an actual event, so in summary this is also a play against them.)
Your argument is weak, obviously the internet spaceship mean people must embrace and respect your wish to remain generally unmolested because you and your friends are obviously too scared to enter low-sec, have no desire to have an in game alliance that offers a great service to the community with a sterling reputation move your stuff for you, and have this great over-estimation that your enemies will simply follow you into the great beyond... All this because you fail to realize that moving into a Hi-Sec pocket in low-sec covered by the security of bloodthirsty pirates is below you; not for any real reason other then "Omg I have to fly a fast ship to get there".
Jason Credulence wrote:Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
How do you define Irony?
I still reccomend the Sims or Civilization V until you get past this emotional wall of yours... Its just pixels mate.. just pixels.
I'll save you sometime before you associate my withdrawl apathetical view on losing ships as conceding again to you, as my normal and well documented outlook on the game in general. Just look up past posts.
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Justin Credulent
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:18:00 -
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Your argument is weak, obviously the internet spaceship mean people must embrace and respect your wish to remain generally unmolested because you and your friends are obviously too scared to enter low-sec, have no desire to have an in game alliance that offers a great service to the community with a sterling reputation move your stuff for you, and have this great over-estimation that your enemies will simply follow you into the great beyond... All this because you fail to realize that moving into a Hi-Sec pocket in low-sec covered by the security of bloodthirsty pirates is below you; not for any real reason other then "Omg I have to fly a fast ship to get there".
omg you used sarcasm! i must reconsider my entire position here. oh wait nevermind you have no actual logic or reason behind it and ive already pointed out the hypocrisy in your position.
anyway i already covered the hi-sec pocket in lo-sec space: those same pirates who prevent my enemies from pursuing me are the same pirates who will also blow me up when i try to pass through. logic.fail
also if this corporation is willing to keep us dec'd for 2 months without any provocation or smack what-so-ever, without even scoring a kill or gaining anything from it, then im pretty sure venturing a few systems through lo-sec is not beyond them. logic.fail
How do you define Irony?
i wont fault you for this - you lack the necessary knowledge of the context in which my signature was inspired. your ignorance is not your fault in this case.
so, basically
*xolve types lots of words in a frenzied rage, tries to prove points*
*xolve, fails to prove points, resort to insults*
*xolve's insults are brushed aside*
*xolve resorts to "not caring"*
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
86
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 22:25:00 -
[150] - Quote
Welcome to Xolve Online.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.05 22:31:00 -
[151] - Quote
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
31
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 00:19:00 -
[152] - Quote
This is a great idea! Every aspect of this is winning!
It will be nice to watch all the high sec thugs have ot go find legitimate targets to shoot. Many will be shocked when these new targets shoot back! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 00:47:00 -
[153] - Quote
Quote:This is a great idea! Every aspect of this is winning!
It will be nice to watch all the high sec thugs have ot go find legitimate targets to shoot. Many will be shocked when these new targets shoot back!
yeah and then theyll be coming to this very thread crying "no fair! we should be able to shoot people who cant shoot back! this isnt fair ccp!"
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
46
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 01:39:00 -
[154] - Quote
If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains? |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 01:43:00 -
[155] - Quote
If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?
we exist in a vacuum. the only way to hurt other players is via wardecs. im being sarcastic to make my point, because i want you to read it and feel like a f*cking moron.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 02:01:00 -
[156] - Quote
Danks wrote:If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?
I am posting with my main, let me know when your ready to lose some ships.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
112
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 05:54:00 -
[157] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:If wardecs are so easily avoided, why aren't these guys posting with their mains?we exist in a vacuum. the only way to hurt other players is via wardecs. im being sarcastic to make my point, because i want you to read it and feel like a f*cking moron.
Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long (I'd pay to wardec you permanently based on what I've read here - just for being a shiptoaster)
But also showed you to be the narrow minded moron.
For the most part Xolve was giving useful advice for dealing with unwanted wardecs - you chose to not only dismiss that advice but to resort to a tirade of abuse that really only serves to highlight the weakness of your argument.
If you are being attacked by bullies the best thing you can do is give them a bloody nose. Xolve was merely pointing out ways to do this.
Run to your decshield (mummys arms) and know that you are only playing a very tiny part of this game, that you'll never have the kind of fun that players (who have the bottle to do it, that recognise that it's only pixels that you are risking) are having.
Embrace the wonderful feeling of rescuing that damsal for the 800th time.
Chewing rocks makes you hardcore (see what I did there?) |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
112
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 06:13:00 -
[158] - Quote
Oh and Justin,
Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1935
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 10:28:00 -
[159] - Quote
Pff. Don't use the OP's service. Use ine instead (see sig) 
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĄ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
448
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 11:18:00 -
[160] - Quote
Wow.
I have never seen someone as butthurt as Justin.
Congratulations to whoever got him that mad :)
Wardecs are trivial to avoid. Yet apparently any possible mechanism to do so, might possibly involve some risk, so you can't do it.
You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.
Classy.
You should consider one thing, however. The epic tears you have washed this forum in are indicitative of the reasons "greifers" wardec corps like yours. Your sense of entitlement and illogical, epic rage, are basically what people hope for when they target guys like you. Instead of doing anything about it, you just rage and cry.
tl;dr - you're the perfect punching bag. Congrats.
-
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
117
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 14:55:00 -
[161] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:
You should consider one thing, however. The epic tears you have washed this forum in are indicitative of the reasons "greifers" wardec corps like yours. Your sense of entitlement and illogical, epic rage, are basically what people hope for when they target guys like you. Instead of doing anything about it, you just rage and cry.
tl;dr - you're the perfect punching bag. Congrats.
Quoted for the truth.. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 16:26:00 -
[162] - Quote
Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long
i can post links, too.
ooo theres another!
Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........
eh? there wasnt really anything to respond to. *shrug* your entire post was just one long series of ad hominems. and since you yourself assert that ad hominems serve only to show that the person using them is a moron, well... come to your own conclusions... 
You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.
ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
95
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 17:10:00 -
[163] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
I think statistically right now- the highest amount of griefers are from null-sec and conveniently in the same 3 alliances. GoonSwarm, TEST and Shadow of Death.. From Freighter Ganks to Ice Miner Blockades, these guys are your winners, all without the courtesy of a war dec or notice.
Don't believe me? Try Ice mining in Gallente Space, or flying a Freighter through Mad/Niarja during the weekend.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
117
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 17:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:Alas the content of most of your posts Justin , not only pointed to the reasons why you were wardecced for so long i can post links, too.ooo theres another!Lets see if you can reply to my post without resorting to Ad Hominen attacks........eh? there wasnt really anything to respond to. *shrug* your entire post was just one long series of ad hominems. and since you yourself assert that ad hominems serve only to show that the person using them is a moron, well... come to your own conclusions...
You then also rage and rage against everyone who is "greifing" you telling THEM they should harden up.ah youre a little confused about my signature. i should explain it so youre not ignorant anymore. basically it is a response to all the "hi-sec should suck so bad that everyone is forced to move to null-sec because its boring out here and we want some free pew pew" threads. *pats you on the head* now you know. it has nothing to do with griefing (and actually the people griefing us are hi-sec pirates, not null-sec people). thanks!
Is the reply I was expecting really |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 17:34:00 -
[165] - Quote
*insert witty 1-liner* + eyeroll
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
118
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 18:00:00 -
[166] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:*insert witty 1-liner* + eyeroll
Keep going , right now your intelligent argument for your cause has us on the ropes for sure....
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 18:03:00 -
[167] - Quote
Quote:Attempted witty 1-liner from "Captain" Nathaniel Butler.
Cool cool bro.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
118
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 18:05:00 -
[168] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:Attempted witty 1-liner from "Captain" Nathaniel Butler. Cool cool bro.
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 18:12:00 -
[169] - Quote
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 18:54:00 -
[170] - Quote
I have a completely different take on this subject. Ofcourse one should be able to wardec highsec corporations. Yet these corporations should have means to drop it aswell.
The reason for this is :
You see this great trailer of what you can become in EvE, you think, thats my kind of game. You realize that youll have to put effort in and will be in for the long run to get the full experience. You decide to subscribe only to soon find out that you either have to join a large alliance as a member or your small corporation to be able to experience the larger scale of the game. It strongly says, youll never be the head of this large alliance who can afford to field a titan or whatever, that position is already taken. Line the pockets of the current owners!
Ide say, every new player should be able if they wanted to, and puts the dedication and time into it, to ultimatly form an competitive alliance and have a home in nullsec (lowsec) or where ever they want. This is nearly impossible with just these handfull off large alliances that have taken control of the entire nullsec area. Like stated, only if you put your corporation or your self in such an alliance would you be able to experience the entire game from a alliance CEO perspective.
This is why a starting corporation should have means to drop the wardec. It means if they wanted to, they could grow out to become whatever they want.
As a sidenote, i think nullsec would be much more interesting without these handfull of large alliances (5 or 6)and instead would exist out of many, many smaller alliances ( a hundred or so). I also dont understand some corporations within these very large alliances. You are already in their space. You already have corps within that alliance who you work well with and some you cant stand. It would be so easy for you to decide one day to leave that large alliance (planned correctly) together with thse corporations you work well with and form an alliance. Than Claim the space you already occupy and stop paying RENT!. Planned properly, scaled properlyGÇŞ.what are they going to do about it?
Anyways, that was a sidenote, and people in alliances will all probably be entirely happy about the fact they where forced into the alliance to experience the entire game or get griefed untill unsub or join. (ofcourse not everyone felt forced)
Another thing, i said nearly impossible. I only say this to every new player, it is a sandbox and people can keep repeating how the game Works, but they are wrong, they are only telling you how it Works for them. One could only explain how the tools work. Come up with something that has not been done before, and there is to much to mention (let your imagination flow and try to shape it into a feasible plan), and even small corps can bring down large alliancesGÇŞGÇŞ.im serious and not talking about befriending and work your way up hahahahah.
Sometimes it seems to be forgotten that economics can make or brake any corporation or allianceGÇŞGÇŞthink outside the box, the surprise alone could make the difference as they would not know how to handle it at First since they rusted into thisGÇŞ..this is how it WorksGÇŞ.its a sandbox |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
95
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 19:16:00 -
[171] - Quote
Gereon Brika wrote:Stuff about new players
Are you really trying to measure a new players chance of creating an alliance that can rival the organizations that have been around since the game launched? Is it possible? Sure. Realistic? Hell No.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 19:31:00 -
[172] - Quote
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Gereon Brika
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 19:33:00 -
[173] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Gereon Brika wrote:Stuff about new players Are you really trying to measure a new players chance of creating an alliance that can rival the organizations that have been around since the game launched? Is it possible? Sure. Realistic? Hell No.
Nope, new players, should be able to reach that level at a given time when the right amount of time has passed and the right plan is developed, youll see.... |
Anya Klibor
Nova Ardour
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 19:46:00 -
[174] - Quote
I like how we apparently consider the concept of "market PvP" a form of PvP. We consider the concept of not honoring ransoms when it comes to war targets as PvP. We don't mind the fact that we are - if we're talking about mercs, here - destroying our enemy's resources when we blow up their ships, or make them waste ISK needlessly.
Yet, can't the same thing be true for the Dec Shield alliance? You are making the people who dec you waste ISK. Yes, 2,000,000 ISK is not a large sum, and the dec will be passed again with-in 48 hours probably. But when it comes right down to it, we're saying, "Look, this isn't fair that you can make PvP in high security space essentially consentual, and that's not what this game is about." But when you hire three mercenary alliances to dec a corporation, and they dec shield out of it..how is that form of making your opponent waste ISK any different than scamming, which everyone considers legit?
I'm not saying I 100% support the concept, but there's always 2 sides to the coin. What's good for the proverbial goose is also good for the proverbial gander. |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
96
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 19:58:00 -
[175] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:I like how we apparently consider the concept of "market PvP" a form of PvP. We consider the concept of not honoring ransoms when it comes to war targets as PvP. We don't mind the fact that we are - if we're talking about mercs, here - destroying our enemy's resources when we blow up their ships, or make them waste ISK needlessly.
Yet, can't the same thing be true for the Dec Shield alliance? You are making the people who dec you waste ISK. Yes, 2,000,000 ISK is not a large sum, and the dec will be passed again with-in 48 hours probably. But when it comes right down to it, we're saying, "Look, this isn't fair that you can make PvP in high security space essentially consentual, and that's not what this game is about." But when you hire three mercenary alliances to dec a corporation, and they dec shield out of it..how is that form of making your opponent waste ISK any different than scamming, which everyone considers legit?
I'm not saying I 100% support the concept, but there's always 2 sides to the coin. What's good for the proverbial goose is also good for the proverbial gander.
My argument wasn't really against the Idea of Dec Shield but mainly the carebears that think they are entitled to a no-risk environment. Some people just want to watch the world burn, Me? I am glad to be one of those people. Unprovoked Agression as 'bullying' is a weak argument, saying EvE isn't a 'PvP'-centric game is ignorant, and the recent lack of CCP HTFU is honestly... kind of disheartening. I guess really its just me being all ::bittervet:: that something deemed as an exploit for years is now perfectly within reason.
I can sympathize with both sides though- I was once a newbie that got war dec'd by a griefer corp and lost my mission Drake.. and I was also the Merc that got paid to demonize the hell out of random newbies that pissed someone off. For me at least, PvP was always the most enjoyable way to play the game.. I have many fond memories of PvP in EvE, and not a single "remember when.." about any PvE content.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2011.12.06 21:33:00 -
[176] - Quote
recent lack of CCP HTFU is honestly... kind of disheartening. I guess really its just me being all ::bittervet:: that something deemed as an exploit for years is now perfectly within reason.
ccp is a business and markets change. eve wasn't taking ccp anywhere by remaining an obscure niche game. the changes to eve that have made it more "player friendly" (notice i didnt say "newbie friendly"...) tell me that ccp is interested in growing and expanding their game.
i for one would love if ccp added more systems to the game. they can do this without changing the current setup of null-sec, too: simply add large numbers of systems around the edges of the map, and add null-sec/lo-sec/hi-sec systems within this null-sec space, linked to empire through wormhole gates. done. more space for everyone, more room for more players, ccp gets more money, gets to pay for more cool **** added to the game.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
2
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 02:59:00 -
[177] - Quote
Some people will always run from a fight. |
Sue Isuzu
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 10:08:00 -
[178] - Quote
Ahrieman wrote:Some people will always run from a fight.
Some people only fight on their terms while making others think they are running.
You never know with people, damn them! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
90
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 13:46:00 -
[179] - Quote
yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
121
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 15:56:00 -
[180] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns.
I'd be inclined to believe that the players who believe that the most ,are the ones who are most afraid of losing their pixel ships. Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from carebears. When I've ganked pvp'ers we tend to laugh about it afterwards or at the least say GF in local.
So I'd say that Pvp'ers are the ones who are logically less likely to worry about losing their ships, and therefore taking the game a lot less seriously.
I certainly have no problems with losing my pixel ship in a fight.
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
90
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 17:21:00 -
[181] - Quote
Quote:Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from bittervets.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Epidemic.
Rolling Thunder.
98
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 17:30:00 -
[182] - Quote
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:Justin Credulent wrote:yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns. So I'd say that Pvp'ers are the ones who are logically less likely to worry about losing their ships, and therefore taking the game a lot less seriously.
The biggest difference between PvE Carebears, and PvP Pilots is essentially that PvE types literally pour all of their ISK into one or two ships, dreaming about some pimped out deadspawn rat pwnmobile; while PvP'ers spend small fractions of their wealth on a ship- and have a "lets see how much I can blow up with this investment" then mash the undock button knowing its only a matter of time.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
"VegasMirage > Dude come back, I'll do anything, I'll even be quiet in comms, please lead fleets and run ops again!" |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
122
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 17:34:00 -
[183] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:Justin Credulent wrote:yeah. stand and fight, you cowards. video games are srs bzns. So I'd say that Pvp'ers are the ones who are logically less likely to worry about losing their ships, and therefore taking the game a lot less seriously. The biggest difference between PvE Carebears, and PvP Pilots is essentially that PvE types literally pour all of their ISK into one or two ships, dreaming about some pimped out deadspawn rat pwnmobile; while PvP'ers spend small fractions of their wealth on a ship- and have a "lets see how much I can blow up with this investment" then mash the undock button knowing its only a matter of time.
Yeah - you worded it far better than I could
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
122
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 17:35:00 -
[184] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from bittervets.
Define a bittervet?
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
47
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 19:10:00 -
[185] - Quote
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from bittervets. Define a bittervet?
People like me who think the game has gone to crap, never log in, and only troll idiots like justin on the forums. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
126
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 19:52:00 -
[186] - Quote
Danks wrote:Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:Most of the rage I've encountered like this has come from bittervets. Define a bittervet? People like me who think the game has gone to crap, never log in, and only troll idiots like justin on the forums.
I was more interested in Justin's definition, you see he edited a statement that I made and changed it to something that was completely out of context to the debate we were having (assuming his definition is the same as yours and mine) and makes little sense.
That's why I was interested in what he defined a bittervet as
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone
Caldari State
91
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 20:03:00 -
[187] - Quote
i dont care if my ship gets blown up (its a nuisance but i can always buy a new ship). even if im running missions im using a cheap fit because you never know if youre gonna get dc'd or someone is gonna suicide gank you for "t33rz and lulz". risk isnt the problem - what the bittervets who keep going on about "risk" are failing to consider is that the other half of "risk" is "benefit", hence "risk/benefit analysis".
this discussion isnt so much about ships blowing up as it is being able to play the game without being griefed. this has been pointed out enough that if you dont get it, youre either stupid, or a troll. in fact im pretty sure with the exception of xolve, most of the people in this thread are either trolls, vets who just want to maintain the "status quo", or griefers who want to maintain their entitlement to abuse others. at either rate, im pretty much done with this topic.
Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships! |
Xolve
Epidemic.
Rolling Thunder.
98
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 20:16:00 -
[188] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote:i dont care if my ship gets blown up (its a nuisance but i can always buy a new ship). even if im running missions im using a cheap fit because you never know if youre gonna get dc'd or someone is gonna suicide gank you for "t33rz and lulz". risk isnt the problem - what the bittervets who keep going on about "risk" are failing to consider is that the other half of "risk" is "benefit", hence "risk/benefit analysis".
this discussion isnt so much about ships blowing up as it is being able to play the game without being griefed. this has been pointed out enough that if you dont get it, youre either stupid, or a troll. in fact im pretty sure with the exception of xolve, most of the people in this thread are either trolls, vets who just want to maintain the "status quo", or griefers who want to maintain their entitlement to abuse others. at either rate, im pretty much done with this topic.
Thanks
Not to argue or anything, but whenever I 'suicide ganked' someone, it wasn't for tears or lulz, it was more of a 'lets sacrifice 93M ISK, to hopefully have the drop gods smile, and net me a bil or two'. Sometimes I was lucky, sometiems I was not.
There are definitely aspects of EvE that are not only completely malicious in nature, but if your siding with the aggressors, you have very little if nothing to lose, and everything to gain; its almost as to say CCP is rewarding you for taking up the role of playing out the 'risk'. I can definitely see how some players can have a completely negative outlook on this play style, and while thats fine and great, its well within the realm of possibility that many players enjoy it.
Tears and Lulz were just an added payment for past evils most dire. (..and always relished and savored.)
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
"VegasMirage > Dude come back, I'll do anything, I'll even be quiet in comms, please lead fleets and run ops again!" |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
126
|
Posted - 2011.12.07 20:30:00 -
[189] - Quote
Justin Credulent wrote: what the bittervets who keep going on about "risk" are failing to consider is that the other half of "risk" is "benefit", hence "risk/benefit analysis".
Thanks for the definition (of sorts) it does indeed seem that you have a different definition from the norm.
This explains your edit of my statement.
Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
2
|
Posted - 2011.12.10 04:16:00 -
[190] - Quote
If your point hasn't been received or accepted by CCP yet, and if you guys are still operating under old parameters, we'd like to use your services again.
As before, we're still a noob corp full of Noctises being hunted for no reason whatsoever.
Application sent, thank you :)
Run level 4 missions? Double your profits!Let us loot your missions and give you 45% of it's value.Join channel: "Pro Synergy" to find out more. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:35:00 -
[191] - Quote
fail pvper tears are by far the best tears..
also
there is an easy way to make sure pos's die and such but i'l let you smart kids figure it out XD |
GEEE Man
Big Sweaty Man Boab
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 10:08:00 -
[192] - Quote
GEEE Man thought that CCP were on the path to greatness.
Seems they, along with this alliance and its current, previous, and future corporations are on the path of faggotry. From which no one can save you now.
Thanks Gordon,
G |
VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:23:00 -
[193] - Quote
I do not live in high sec so not my business, but this is seriously gay. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
327
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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VegasMirage
Another Narwhal Dead
17
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:38:00 -
[195] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:I like how we apparently consider the concept of "market PvP" a form of PvP. We consider the concept of not honoring ransoms when it comes to war targets as PvP. We don't mind the fact that we are - if we're talking about mercs, here - destroying our enemy's resources when we blow up their ships, or make them waste ISK needlessly.
Yet, can't the same thing be true for the Dec Shield alliance? You are making the people who dec you waste ISK. Yes, 2,000,000 ISK is not a large sum, and the dec will be passed again with-in 48 hours probably. But when it comes right down to it, we're saying, "Look, this isn't fair that you can make PvP in high security space essentially consentual, and that's not what this game is about." But when you hire three mercenary alliances to dec a corporation, and they dec shield out of it..how is that form of making your opponent waste ISK any different than scamming, which everyone considers legit?
I'm not saying I 100% support the concept, but there's always 2 sides to the coin. What's good for the proverbial goose is also good for the proverbial gander. My argument wasn't really against the Idea of Dec Shield but mainly the carebears that think they are entitled to a no-risk environment. Some people just want to watch the world burn, Me? I am glad to be one of those people. Unprovoked Agression as 'bullying' is a weak argument, saying EvE isn't a 'PvP'-centric game is ignorant, and the recent lack of CCP HTFU is honestly... kind of disheartening. I guess really its just me being all ::bittervet:: that something deemed as an exploit for years is now perfectly within reason. I can sympathize with both sides though- I was once a newbie that got war dec'd by a griefer corp and lost my mission Drake.. and I was also the Merc that got paid to demonize the hell out of random newbies that pissed someone off. For me at least, PvP was always the most enjoyable way to play the game.. I have many fond memories of PvP in EvE, and not a single "remember when.." about any PvE content.
tl;dr but I can tell you this guy Xolve is a total idiot don't listen to anything he has to say and he has a lot to say ^^
The reason Dec Shield is not a good idea is cause we been killing your corps members - we found all we have to do is make our own corp dec it for 2 million isk and then we get cheap pew. It's awesome idea I hope more corps use Dec Shield as now my guys just do some quick research into your members and presto easy kills.
The bad thing is anybody worth killing is probably not going to use Dec Shield. So you get a lot of trash, but hey 20 points is 20 points. |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:14:00 -
[196] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:
The reason Dec Shield is not a good idea is cause we been killing your corps members - we found all we have to do is make our own corp dec it for 2 million isk and then we get cheap pew. It's awesome idea I hope more corps use Dec Shield as now my guys just do some quick research into your members and presto easy kills.
The bad thing is anybody worth killing is probably not going to use Dec Shield. So you get a lot of trash, but hey 20 points is 20 points.
Im sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Dec Shield is an Alliance therefore it would cost 50 Million to War Dec, even more as Dec Shield would be at war with some other groups. By the time you find the corps, they'll be out of the alliance.
You're just talking out of your ass.
Oh and Battleclinic is for LOSERS. |
Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
Well i think PRVTR had its first Dec Shield thing. Good service would use again.
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akita T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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VegasMirage
Another Narwhal Dead
17
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:01:00 -
[198] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:VegasMirage wrote:
The reason Dec Shield is not a good idea is cause we been killing your corps members - we found all we have to do is make our own corp dec it for 2 million isk and then we get cheap pew. It's awesome idea I hope more corps use Dec Shield as now my guys just do some quick research into your members and presto easy kills.
The bad thing is anybody worth killing is probably not going to use Dec Shield. So you get a lot of trash, but hey 20 points is 20 points.
Im sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Dec Shield is an Alliance therefore it would cost 50 Million to War Dec, even more as Dec Shield would be at war with some other groups. By the time you find the corps, they'll be out of the alliance. You're just talking out of your ass. Oh and Battleclinic is for LOSERS.
you're terrible at this come on now I NEVER said dec an alliance you inbred tard- you need me to outline it for you:
1 - make corp for 1.5 mill isk
2 - dec your alt corp with your corp cost 2 mill isk
3 - join your dec'd corp to Dec Shield
4 - DO NOT pay the cost to resume the war
5 - you have minimum 24 hours and sometimes longer as corps drop from Dec Shield to shoot a ton of war targets in the face
6 - redec the original targets so they go back to Dec Shield [always have multiple votes in for your targets so they cant run for long]
What did you not understand you fail troll?
...and who cares what site you use to look at your loss-mails, you suck at this game now prove otherwise.
Be Warned: Dec Shield doesn't work, we've been killing them since we found out about it. Every merc in game should be looking at this as a cheap source of PvP. |
Xolve
Epidemic.
118
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:51:00 -
[199] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:blah blah blah battleclinic stats
Not empty quotin' yo.
Edit- Vegas, please explain to all of us your mastery of PvP flying around Arnon in a Deadspace Fitted Proteus, picking on one month old characters (or less) in battlecruisers (and still using neutral logistics). No one gives a **** about what you think, how you play, or what you think is important. I don't think anyone cares about your 'I'm so badass IRL' eve-mails either.
You criticizing Dec Shield is pretty comical, when you hop corps multiple times daily; that is hypocrisy at its finest.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Ovalteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:15:00 -
[200] - Quote
Do we also post the collected tears of griefers in this thread, too?
So this guy was can-baiting in Jouvulen, which is a rookie-system. I politely informed him that it was a against the rules to do so, and he replied with some colorful expletives. He raged for a while, and I have to admit maybe I was a little cruel toying with him, and eventually I just reported him for griefing. He got so mad that he actually left his Corp and formed his own in order to Dec me. I have used Dec Shield to avoid the war 6 times now. I might actually be upset if I played more than 8 hours a week...
Here's some highlights:
n++[ 2011.11.24 18:28:51 ] (CensoredGriefer) > Yeah. I'd like you to get more members in your corp. You are going to need them for the wardec thats coming.
*** Hours Later.... ***
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:47:15 ] (CensoredGriefer) > I win because you are a noob who couldn't handle an argument and blocking was the only way to achieve solitude. You are a year old noob and still in a starter system I don't care how little you play,
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:47:31 ] (CensoredGriefer) > If you are in space 24 hours from now, I'll collect your ******* corpse
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:47:34 ] (CensoredGriefer) > and add it to my collection;
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:47:58 ] (Me) > Cry about it some more. Kid. :)
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:47:58 ] (CensoredChatter) > He's turning desperate. Beautiful.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:48:05 ] (CensoredChatter) > Wow he's raging hard.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:48:06 ] (CensoredChatter) > clap clap clap clap
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:48:09 ] (CensoredChatter) > He's so mad.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:50:28 ] (CensoredGriefer) > Just when you log in in a week, the wardec will still be there
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:50:46 ] (CensoredGriefer) > and if you undock, I'll own you.
The sentence in bold is particularly ironic because, not only is he a year and a half old, but he was can-baiting in a rookie system.
The italicized sentence is especially LULZY.
I promised I would collect this guys tears, so here's some of what I've accumulated:
Most Recent Dec:
Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:02
To: (CensoredGriefer),
You're a slower learner, huh?
Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:03
To: (Me),
Thought I forgot about you?
I can do this forever.
Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:03
To: (CensoredGriefer),
So can I. :)
Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:05
To: (Me),
I'll catch one of you slipping eventually and when I do, I'll be putting your corpse with the rest of the collection. Just remember to be docked up in 24 hours. My corp is expanding. Someone will catch you. Cheers!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:06
To: (CensoredGriefer),
Such big talk from someone who hasn't been able to follow through on a single thing he said so far. :)
It's nice to know how badly I upset you. ;)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:09
To: (Me),
I don't need to worry about your nonsense. I got 3 other wars getting ready to kick off. To be honest I'm not really worried about you. you will just be a target of opportunity. But its always nice to know that I am limiting your isk income. you can tell me you are using your alts and all that but in reality with two of your characters out of action for 48 hours is enough for me. I've already got your next dec in the cooker. It will be ready right about the time you surrender. Then once you drop out of dec shield +24 hours, it goes live again. I can live with that. I'll have plenty of action in the meantime. I hope its as fun for you as it will be for me. All I can say is keep them docked up. You never know when we might actually come looking for you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:10
To: (CensoredGriefer),
You're sensitive, I understand that. Just keep the tears flowing, I add them to my collection. :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:14
To: (Me),
You can think I'm crying if you want. In reality, you reported me. Whatever your goal was, it failed. I don't really need to flip your can. I can just keep you dec'd. I'm happy that way. This being said you really don't have anything more to say to me. If you send me another mail you will only demonstrate to me that this whole dec situation is really bothering you. I love Psycology. Yeah, I got a bit of an education. With very little ease I have already kept you going. I'm willing to bet money that you can't leave this mail sit. You will have to send me one back so you can tell me how big of a douche I am and how I'm so pissed at you for reporting me and how I suck at life and whatever else you can think of. It is really irrelivent. The bottom line is I have you up a creek and you don't like it, and you can do nothing about it. Have a nice day and once again, keep it docked or it will be mine.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:15
To: (CensoredGriefer),
You're so frustrated, look at you go! :)
****
It was really downhill after he started trying to use LE PSYKOLOGIE.
If there's one thing I've learned about EVE Online, it's that a lot of players have very sensitive egos and are very melodramatic and corny. This guy constantly sends me "threatening" messages but I can't help but laugh when he does.
Does this make me an evil person? |
Xolve
Epidemic.
118
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:21:00 -
[201] - Quote
Wow, Ovalteen, you'd be hard pressed to convince me thats NOT Vegas..
..right down to the 'wow your raging hard' and 'psykologie'- wait, did you first get an EvEmail about how much more successful he is in life, and you obviously fail at life with your slew of mental disorders he probably read off his own psych eval?
If So- yup. Thats Vegas.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Ovalteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:28:00 -
[202] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Wow, Ovalteen, you'd be hard pressed to convince me thats NOT Vegas..
..right down to the 'wow your raging hard' and 'psykologie'- wait, did you first get an EvEmail about how much more successful he is in life, and you obviously fail at life with your slew of mental disorders he probably read off his own psych eval?
If So- yup. Thats Vegas.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vegas is (CensoredGriefer)'s alt, venting his frustrating in this thread. I wasn't sure if we could post pilot names, so I decided to censor him just in case (can never tell, CCP seems a bit fickle about their rules and enforcement thereof).
(CensoredGriefer) is obsessed with the idea of "winning". Everything you say or do, he'll say he "wins" because of that. Obviously winning is very important to this guy, and the premise of "winning" is constantly shifting to new criterion. This is probably why he was can-baiting in a rookie system, and declares war on month old characters. All PSYKOLOGIE aside, I sense a deeply rooted sense of inferiority in this individual.
(CensoredGriefer) also likes to brag about how awesome his life is.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:09 ] (CensoredChatter) > your life must really suck
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:12 ] (CensoredGriefer) > lol.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:16 ] (CensoredGriefer) > no. my life is awesome.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:33 ] (CensoredGriefer) > My killbooards have been rocking these last few days.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:54 ] (CensoredChatter) > keep telling yourself that all of see something else.....A LOSER
INB4 "I win because you posted on the forums." |
Atomik Harmonik
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:51:00 -
[203] - Quote
sounds kind of like Socratic....anyone heard anything from him lately? |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.14 07:28:00 -
[204] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:VegasMirage wrote:
The reason Dec Shield is not a good idea is cause we been killing your corps members - we found all we have to do is make our own corp dec it for 2 million isk and then we get cheap pew. It's awesome idea I hope more corps use Dec Shield as now my guys just do some quick research into your members and presto easy kills.
The bad thing is anybody worth killing is probably not going to use Dec Shield. So you get a lot of trash, but hey 20 points is 20 points.
Im sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Dec Shield is an Alliance therefore it would cost 50 Million to War Dec, even more as Dec Shield would be at war with some other groups. By the time you find the corps, they'll be out of the alliance. You're just talking out of your ass. Oh and Battleclinic is for LOSERS. you're terrible at this come on now I NEVER said dec an alliance you inbred tard- you need me to outline it for you: 1 - make corp for 1.5 mill isk 2 - dec your alt corp with your corp cost 2 mill isk 3 - join your dec'd corp to Dec Shield 4 - DO NOT pay the cost to resume the war 5 - you have minimum 24 hours and sometimes longer as corps drop from Dec Shield to shoot a ton of war targets in the face 6 - redec the original targets so they go back to Dec Shield [always have multiple votes in for your targets so they cant run for long] What did you not understand you fail troll? ...and who cares what site you use to look at your loss-mails, you suck at this game now prove otherwise. Be Warned: Dec Shield doesn't work, we've been killing them since we found out about it. Every merc in game should be looking at this as a cheap source of PvP.
You are an idiot because your previous post didn't say this, all it said was decing Dec Shield, not what you just said.
Besides you can't shoot the main holding corps of Dec Shield since they never undock, and the people who join the alliance, leave right away, so you can't shoot them.
You are ***** station camping carebear, you should come out to lowsec like a real man and i'll show you the way to win in pvp.
You are a stupid monkey and you like look one too.
Who released you from the zoo you ugly creature.
Oh and thanks for the 300 million you gave me :) I hope you enjoy your Megathron (Navy Issue).
Your post on local was hilarious and you threatened to war dec me even though there is no way you can. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:10:00 -
[205] - Quote
Ovalteen wrote: (CensoredGriefer) also likes to brag about how awesome his life is.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:09 ] (CensoredChatter) > your life must really suck
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:12 ] (CensoredGriefer) > lol.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:16 ] (CensoredGriefer) > no. my life is awesome.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:33 ] (CensoredGriefer) > My killbooards have been rocking these last few days.
n++[ 2011.11.24 21:51:54 ] (CensoredChatter) > keep telling yourself that all of see something else.....A LOSER
INB4 "I win because you posted on the forums."
Oh I love these guys. They think they are just awesome in their own mind, like a frat boy bragging how awesome his "performance" was in bed with some chick he scored with the night before. Really? You just have to say you are awesome?
I am AWESOME at level 4 missions. Want to see a slide show about it?
Please do tell me more, cause I just want to hear more about how people adding way to much value to something else another human appended score points to and this guy (CensoredGriefer) jumped on the bandwagon so he can "be the cool guy" in of all things lol-video game where everyone knows gamers don't have much of a life and skills does not equat to hitting one button (mechanics and doctors have skills, gamers do not unless you are paid to play games) until numbers subtracted from a hitpoint count means you win |
Kahz Niverrah
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Moar Tears
81
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Posted - 2011.12.14 15:01:00 -
[206] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:Besides you can't shoot the main holding corps of Dec Shield since they never undock, and the people who join the alliance, leave right away, so you can't shoot them.
That's not quite how it works. When a corp leaves an alliance, all incoming wars are extended to the corp for 24 hours. We had a contract target join dec shield and then leave, and got quite a few kills on unrelated targets of opportunity that joined dec shield and immediately left to shed their decs during the 24 cooldown period.
Honestly though, if you ask me, the whole war dec thing right now is just completely ******. IMO corps should be exempt from war decs (both incoming and outgoing) since corps are basically immune now anyway. Alliances are political entities that can hold sov, among other things, so should be war eligible. If corps were immune it would give people who want to avoid war a way to do so, so then they could change alliance dec costs so that an alliance's incoming wars don't increase an aggressor's cost, just the aggressor's outgoing wars.
I know some people will say "corps should never be immune rawr!!!" but if you think about it, they already are. The only problem I see with this is that there's no way to clean up abandoned POSes in high-sec, but I'm sure a simple change to how anchored POSes in high-sec work could rectify this. Maybe make it so they're scoopable after 30 days w/o charters in high-sec or something. I don't know.
My 2 cents. Carry on.
I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main. |
Zoar'rak
Tri-Research and Invention
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 20:15:00 -
[207] - Quote
Interesting service, Just sent in an application to try it out.
This will most certainly add a twist to defending hi-sec POS's. |
Xolve
Epidemic.
174
|
Posted - 2011.12.16 20:37:00 -
[208] - Quote
Zoar'rak wrote:Interesting service, Just sent in an application to try it out.
This will most certainly add a twist to defending hi-sec POS's.
Hmmm, yeah- It would be interesting to see CCP's response to a corp joining the dec shield alliance to save a reinforced tower (which was before, an exploit).
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Ovalteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.16 21:53:00 -
[209] - Quote
I think it was a very good point raised earlier in this thread:
CCP is a business, and they have to respond to the market. Right now there is not a big market for such sadomasochistic games as EVE used to be. EVE Online has always been a "niche" game, and it always will be, but "niche" games are generally speaking not sustainable. The reason being is because interest in them is usually low, and MMOs, being notoriously hemorrhagic, depend on growth for their sustainance - new players are fickle and leave easily. This is evidenced by the following stats: There are 15-20,000 trial accounts per month (at least a Dev told me that), yet EVE's growth is sporadic at best (on a general, slow, upcurve based on QEN data with lots of dips and vallies). The average length of an account on EVE is around 6 months (again, based on QEN data). If you lose more players than you recruit, you're just stuck with "the vets", and "the vets", god bless their loyalty, are not going to play the game forever.
Now, true, there are some very loyal fans who continue to play EVE. But without new players, and this is my main point here so it bears repeating, without new players, an MMO can only get smaller. A 6-month turnover rate is not sustainable - eventually you'll bleed your market base dry. I think CCP realizes that - they've got a large influx of players over the past 2 years due to excellent marketing, and they've reached the "critical mass" for an MMO (250,000 subscriptions). But, again, there are two things that keep an MMO going: Player addition and player retention. You have to get them to play and keep them playing. Marketing gets them to play. Fair, balanced, and fun play keeps them paying for their subscription. Changes like these are meant to make the game more fun for the newer players. Who are these newer players? Well, they're certainly not 3 year vets who get their rocks off on griefing people all day!
A lot of "the vets" want to complain about changes like the above. But these very same "vets" will tell victims of griefing "adapt or die, only the strong survive in EVE." Well guess what: "The vets" need to take their own advice. EVE might not be as harsh as it used to be, but it's still harsher than basically every MMO out there. EVE is changing. It's becoming more marketable to the general public above (or below, depending on your perspective) a certain threshold. And this is a good thing, because growth means more money which means more cool stuff in the game. If that bothers "the vets", then they simply need to either adapt, or unsub.
INB4 flames. |
Jones Bones
Brutor Bike Co.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:07:00 -
[210] - Quote
I love this thread. I've never seen so many tears over something so stupid.
Creator of this alliance, I salute you! |
Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.17 07:09:00 -
[211] - Quote
I congratulate your inability to fight your own battles. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
200
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 11:30:00 -
[212] - Quote
Ovalteen wrote:
CCP is a business, and they have to respond to the market. Right now there is not a big market for such sadomasochistic games as EVE used to be. EVE Online has always been a "niche" game, and it always will be, but "niche" games are generally speaking not sustainable. The reason being is because interest in them is usually low, and MMOs, being notoriously hemorrhagic, depend on growth for their sustainance - new players are fickle and leave easily. This is evidenced by the following stats: There are 15-20,000 trial accounts per month (at least a Dev told me that), yet EVE's growth is sporadic at best (on a general, slow, upcurve based on QEN data with lots of dips and vallies). The average length of an account on EVE is around 6 months (again, based on QEN data). If you lose more players than you recruit, you're just stuck with "the vets", and "the vets", god bless their loyalty, are not going to play the game forever.
Now, true, there are some very loyal fans who continue to play EVE. But without new players, and this is my main point here so it bears repeating, without new players, an MMO can only get smaller. A 6-month turnover rate is not sustainable - eventually you'll bleed your market base dry. I think CCP realizes that - they've got a large influx of players over the past 2 years due to excellent marketing, and they've reached the "critical mass" for an MMO (250,000 subscriptions). But, again, there are two things that keep an MMO going: Player addition and player retention. You have to get them to play and keep them playing. Marketing gets them to play. Fair, balanced, and fun play keeps them paying for their subscription. Changes like these are meant to make the game more fun for the newer players. Who are these newer players? Well, they're certainly not 3 year vets who get their rocks off on griefing people all day!
A lot of "the vets" want to complain about changes like the above. But these very same "vets" will tell victims of griefing "adapt or die, only the strong survive in EVE." Well guess what: "The vets" need to take their own advice. EVE might not be as harsh as it used to be, but it's still harsher than basically every MMO out there. EVE is changing. It's becoming more marketable to the general public above (or below, depending on your perspective) a certain threshold. And this is a good thing, because growth means more money which means more cool stuff in the game. If that bothers "the vets", then they simply need to either adapt, or unsub.
That's all fine and dandy in theory, but niche games seem to be actually doing much better than mainstream games in the MMO arena, as far as growth curves are conserned and EVE has had one of the best growth curve of any MMO ever made. The only major dip was caused precisely because CCP stopped developing that niche their players came here for in the first place. So there doesn't seem to be any large lack of new players joining the game. The 6 month turnover rate is longer than some of the main stream competition have stayed in business and isn't really informative, since you aren't providing comparison values from other MMOs. That 6 months seems a good number when compared to this news article and combined with the plummeting sub numbers of WoW. If anything it shows it's not about being niche or mainstream, but your ability to provide new interesting content and gameplay, that keeps the game attractive.
I also don't see how a broken wardec system makes the game more fun for new players and why you paint this exclusively a veteran issue. You seem to assume, that new players can't be the ones utilizing wardecs to engage other players and need to be shielded from all aggression as much as possible. Not to mention the NPC corp immunity already protects noobs and people who want to avoid unwanted aggression. To me this seems a clear case of the system simply being broken and people using the loopholes trying to throw in the "won't someone please think of the childred" -excuse in an effort to keep it broken. A new working wardec system seems more fair, balanced and fun to me, than the current broken piece of crap, that can be manipulated to be largely ineffectual.
Your adapt or die comments are also somewhat misused, since the point is that you can't adapt to the changes. You can only keep banging your head against the wall or try to get CCP to look at the system and fix it. The old system wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the current one is worse. It's starting to increasingly resemble the bounty system, in that it relies on the recieving side of the wardec to be a good sport about it to work at all. That negates the entire point of a war in many cases and makes serious disrupting of corp operations and POSes impossible. You can debate what the correct cost and risk should be in the system for it to be balanced, but immunity should not be allowed for player corporations.
All this CCP is a business and won't someone please think of the noobs -talk is largely besides the point though. The system didn't work that well before and works even worse now. The point is the system is broken to the point of being useless and needs to be fixed. The debate should focus on how the new system should be implemented and balanced, so it wouldn't suffer from the same problems the old system suffered and offered new options for both the aggressors and the defenders to manage wardecs. That discussion can take in to account CCPs corporate needs and newbies, but trying to justify retaining a broken system using the same reasons isn't acceptable. It's not a matter of to fix or not to fix, but how to fix it. |
Ovalteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 16:12:00 -
[213] - Quote
Deltor Griffith wrote:I congratulate your inability to fight your own battles.
You're in Goonswarm. When have you ever had to fight your own battle? Or make your own ISK? Or put any effort into the game what so ever? |
Ovalteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 16:36:00 -
[214] - Quote
Quote:The 6 month turnover rate is longer than some of the main stream competition have stayed in business and isn't really informative, since you aren't providing comparison values from other MMOs. That 6 months seems a good number when compared to (news articles) . If anything it shows it's not about being niche or mainstream, but your ability to provide new interesting content and gameplay, that keeps the game attractive.
Okay, it's true I didn't offer comparison values. However, you are comparing the wrong values in a misleading fashion. I'm going to be patient and assume you did that by accident. You are comparing WoW trials to EVE subs. You can't actually do that. Allow me to clarify for you:
EVE has 20,000 trials per month, yet EVE is growing only very slowly. I mentioned that MMOs are notoriously hemorrhagic? The first article you post states that 70% of the people on WoW trials never make it past level 10: Hm, that seems to corroborate my previous statements: Most people who try a game don't play that game (as far as MMO are concerned).
Now, I hate to talk about WoW, but let's face the facts: After a 6 year run being the biggest, most popular MMO on the market (8 million subs? 10 million subs? 11.5 million subs?), it's no surprise that they're starting to lose some of that popularity and momentum. They seem to have bled their market dry, as I mentioned earlier, and as I mentioned earlier, MMOs are notoriously hemorrhagic. All your links have done is corroborate the statements I made earlier. You would have been better off not posting them.
But WoW does serve as a great example. Love the game or hate the game, the game was successful. And it was successful because of growth.
Quote:I also don't see how a broken wardec system makes the game more fun for new players and why you paint this exclusively a veteran issue.
I never said it did. Actually I never even mentioned WarDecs in my post. I said changes like these. These changes make the game more "beginner friendly" - for beginning players or beginning Corps. And I do see it as a "veteran" issue because any small change in the game, especially a change that makes the game more player friendly, and there's tons of tears on the forums from bitter vets. And I do know they are vets because I check employment histories and a lot of those tears are from players dating back before 2008.
The WarDec system was broken before in that it allowed griefers to exploit it and deny other players the ability to play the game.
Now people are saying it's broken for exactly the above reason.
Gimme a break.
Quote:Not to mention the NPC corp immunity already protects noobs and people who want to avoid unwanted aggression.
Because NPC Corps are so fun right?
(Hint: Fun keeps people playing a game.)
Quote:That negates the entire point of a war in many cases and makes serious disrupting of corp operations and POSes impossible.
Only being able to have your tower up and mining operations running a couple days a week is not a serious disruption? Erm...? Seems to me like a major disruption. Seems to me that things are....
Working as intended. |
M Expedience
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 00:10:00 -
[215] - Quote
I beg you, when you guys inevitably go rogue and steal from all the corps that use your service, post the tears here. |
Jack Cavanaugh
Mechanical Eagles Inc.
The Ancients.
7
|
Posted - 2011.12.19 10:38:00 -
[216] - Quote
Atomik Harmonik wrote:sounds kind of like Socratic....anyone heard anything from him lately?
I haven't been around too long but I assume Socratic has spent the entire 7 years he's been playing in Arnon.
At first I thought he was a very clever troll but then I realized he was actually serious...and then I was like...no way...he's been playing for 7 years and spends all his time trolling a rookie system...and then again...I realized he was totally serious.
I was actually surprised he doesn't post on the forums but I realized brand new players starting the SoE arc must be the only people he can attempt to lord his playtime over and his claims of being in Mensa and being one of the top 0.00000001% smartest people in the world.
So to answer your question, yes...everytime I'm in Arnon he is there in local. The system is actually starting to get cluttered with containers making fun of him.
If you see him...please...won't you fleet him?
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.21 13:33:00 -
[217] - Quote
Personally I want to see more griefers crying about how they can't harass Indy's anymore. Come on guys, post some more of those griefer tears! |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
286
|
Posted - 2011.12.21 23:06:00 -
[218] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Personally I want to see more griefers crying about how they can't harass Indy's anymore. Come on guys, post some more of those griefer tears!
We can/will still suicide gank you (CCP made it cheaper and stuff).
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.22 20:27:00 -
[219] - Quote
Deltor Griffith wrote:I congratulate your inability to fight your own battles.
Interesting |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
501
|
Posted - 2011.12.24 23:19:00 -
[220] - Quote
Excellent service and not a scam. Used it when I got wardecced by my former alliance because I hurt their wittle feewings.
But its usefulness depends on how many members you have and how willing they are to stay docked until the war expiration. If you have a small enough/disciplined enough group you can avoid merc groups. Sometimes a corpie undocks into an ambush and you lose a ship - it happens. But if you use it right, it's a great way to cost dumb alliances millions of isk for nothing. |
Tarrn
The Alpha Company
14
|
Posted - 2011.12.27 16:07:00 -
[221] - Quote
War is the number one threat to my credit card being charged another month. It's a distraction to the long term goals of any corporation. I'm always having to coddle not just new players but veteran players who got bored, decided to join a corporation, then we get War Dec'ed, they lose a ship, leave the corp, leave eve.
How does this retain players? How does this retain members? How does this retain subscriptions?
Thank you "Google" for this thread. |
Te Tapunui
Sleeping Dogs Awake
1
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:49:00 -
[222] - Quote
I guess it's just the way of the world being reflected online. No matter which way those of you who endorse this service try to spin it, in the end you are all cowards.
Our modern societies have created an attitude within most of us that we shouldnt even attempt to stand up for ourselves, and that other people (Police, security guards, soldiers, lawyers etc etc) should do our fighting for us. We have become so non confrontational that this attitude was bound to be brought into this virtual world.
I read about eve before joining and it was made clearly evident that it is a brutal darwinistic game. When I signed up I accepted this, and entered the life of a carebear. I mined and missioned and joined a lacklustre corporation who all mined and missioned together. We eventually attracted a war declaration by a pirate corporation and were morally outraged. It was so unjust and unfair we deemed, that we couldnt just mine and mission in peace. I lost a number of ships, and very nearly rage quit. Then it dawned on me. I had somehow over the years become a coward. Combat on call of duty or warcraft was no preparation for a battle within Eve. There was a real sense of risk and loss going on here, and I was about to shy away from it.
I also realised that I had opted IN for war simply by joining a player corporation. If I wanted to avoid a war all I needed to do was remain in an NPC corporation, problem solved.
Upon the realisation that I was indeed a total coward I stopped all thoughts of quitting, and decided to fight, carebear style. I learned the art of war avoidance and combat denial. It turned out to be great fun and resulted in the pirate corporation moving on and finding a new target. They always do, and you realise it was a great learning experience and insight of self realisation.
Before dec shield became legitimate there already existed a great many tools for the carebear to avoid war without fighting. The game just became that much more colorless for pandering to cowards, and the floodgates are opened for more to come...
Just remember guys, not to have Eve turned up too loud while you are mission running. Your neighbours might get annoyed and knock on the door, you'll be faced with some actual confrontation that CCP can't just nerf away ;) |
Parsee789
Immaterial and Missing Power
55
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Posted - 2011.12.28 08:07:00 -
[223] - Quote
Te Tapunui wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH ABOUT HIGHSEC WAR DECS AND BRAVERY
Highsec WarDecs is not a sign of bravery, it is the sign of the carebear, for both the griefers and the victims. Griefers are too ***** to come to low/null/WH and victims are too meek to do anything.
I would favor abolishing highsec wardecs just to **** off tough-guy highsec "pvpers".
Real PVPers pvp in non-high security where there is no protection from CONCORD.
Highsec pvpers are not pvpers, they are just carebears who know only station games and session timers.
|
Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
387
|
Posted - 2011.12.28 23:15:00 -
[224] - Quote
Parsee789 wrote:Highsec pvpers are not pvpers, they are just carebears who know only station games and session timers.
Because you know.. there are no stations or session timers in Low Sec or Null..
...probably bad posting |
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society
16
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 13:11:00 -
[225] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Parsee789 wrote:Highsec pvpers are not pvpers, they are just carebears who know only station games and session timers. Because you know.. there are no stations or session timers in Low Sec or Null..
Well, there are, in in lo/null sec, no one really cares. Mostly there's no Concord to worry about in lo/null sec. Which is fine by me.
Never accept a 1v1 challenge. -áIf you do, don't be surprised
when the other guy's friends show up and blow you up. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
395
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 16:50:00 -
[226] - Quote
Jake McCord wrote:Well, there are, in in lo/null sec, no one really cares. Mostly there's no Concord to worry about in lo/null sec. Which is fine by me.
I think you missed the point of my retort space friend.
Everytime You Masterbate, A New-bee (Goon) Gets a Rifter! |
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society
16
|
Posted - 2011.12.29 20:46:00 -
[227] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Jake McCord wrote:Well, there are, in in lo/null sec, no one really cares. Mostly there's no Concord to worry about in lo/null sec. Which is fine by me. I think you missed the point of my retort space friend.
Yeah, that's the problem with text messages. Hard to read the irony sometimes.
Never accept a 1v1 challenge. -áIf you do, don't be surprised
when the other guy's friends show up and blow you up. |
Tarrn
The Alpha Company
16
|
Posted - 2012.01.05 16:44:00 -
[228] - Quote
Parsee789 wrote:Te Tapunui wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH ABOUT HIGHSEC WAR DECS AND BRAVERY Highsec WarDecs is not a sign of bravery, it is the sign of the carebear, for both the griefers and the victims. Griefers are too ***** to come to low/null/WH and victims are too meek to do anything. I would favor abolishing highsec wardecs just to **** off tough-guy highsec "pvpers". Real PVPers pvp in non-high security where there is no protection from CONCORD. Highsec pvpers are not pvpers, they are just carebears who know only station games and session timers.
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Ahrieman
Heretic Army
9
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:20:00 -
[229] - Quote
Tarrn wrote:Parsee789 wrote:Te Tapunui wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH ABOUT HIGHSEC WAR DECS AND BRAVERY Highsec WarDecs is not a sign of bravery, it is the sign of the carebear, for both the griefers and the victims. Griefers are too ***** to come to low/null/WH and victims are too meek to do anything. I would favor abolishing highsec wardecs just to **** off tough-guy highsec "pvpers". Real PVPers pvp in non-high security where there is no protection from CONCORD. Highsec pvpers are not pvpers, they are just carebears who know only station games and session timers. *Like
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nekuen olei
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:48:00 -
[230] - Quote
It is a scamm, i have used it and all looks fine but 3 days later they wardec you |
FeralShadow
CenGen Armament
31
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 20:49:00 -
[231] - Quote
Honestly, i think combat players mainly ask themselves "In this game which isn't supposed to be safe for anybody, why are there people bumbling around high sec ignorantly running missions and mining? They shouldn't be able to do that in perfect safety" and so, the decs begin. Honestly I don't think it's so much the act of being a carebear, as it is how ignorant a lot of carebears are about the game's ideology. Then the bear dies and rage rage rage rage and that just proves the point of how ignorant they were. Yes, there's a lot of carebears who aren't ignorant, and you will find those people effectively combating the pvp pilots. There's a big difference imho, and the ignorant carebear is the one pvpers target above all others. As a matter of fact this whole decshield idea was likely started by one of those non-ignorant carebears, and thus it's effective.
What I'm trying to say is that if you dont like the combat side of eve, don't be an ignorant carebear and wander around highsec in your multi-billion isk ship going about your business. This game doesnt allow for that long, and pvpers exploit it. |
positie10
Friendly Corpses
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:20:00 -
[232] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Honestly, i think combat players mainly ask themselves "In this game which isn't supposed to be safe for anybody, why are there people bumbling around high sec ignorantly running missions and mining? They shouldn't be able to do that in perfect safety" and so, the decs begin. Honestly I don't think it's so much the act of being a carebear, as it is how ignorant a lot of carebears are about the game's ideology. Then the bear dies and rage rage rage rage and that just proves the point of how ignorant they were. Yes, there's a lot of carebears who aren't ignorant, and you will find those people effectively combating the pvp pilots. There's a big difference imho, and the ignorant carebear is the one pvpers target above all others. As a matter of fact this whole decshield idea was likely started by one of those non-ignorant carebears, and thus it's effective.
What I'm trying to say is that if you dont like the combat side of eve, don't be an ignorant carebear and wander around highsec in your multi-billion isk ship going about your business. This game doesnt allow for that long, and pvpers exploit it.
It was started by a crappy pvper because he couldn't survive in 0.0 so now he created a "dec shield" that actually had the functionality of providing information for his executing corp. This way it is very ez for him to get rid of high sec industrialists.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Zerg+Hatchery&page=1#losses
http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&view=kills&crp_id=120513&m=12&y=2011
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Zerg_Hatchery/pilots
etc etc
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Rasz Lin
41
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Posted - 2012.01.11 04:06:00 -
[233] - Quote
nekuen olei wrote:It is a scamm, i have used it and all looks fine but 3 days later they wardec you
of course you got decced, people look for weaklings that join DECshield, having that alliance in corp sheet means you are weak and juicy.
what did you expect? all benefits no drawbacks? |
dinotopija
Vubi Bubi
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:30:00 -
[234] - Quote
THKS DEC SHIELD manage to save my pos with your help i I appreciate help like this...... |
HappyJamjam HappyJamjam
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:21:00 -
[235] - Quote
bump. read both of the zerg overminds post regarding this exploit before judging him for or against. |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective
Cascade Imminent
20
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:30:00 -
[236] - Quote
/me passes out some "relaxing brownies" to both parties. |
Jack Miner
Scorpions Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:54:00 -
[237] - Quote
Bump from a friend. |
Spoony Wan
Tornado Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:19:00 -
[238] - Quote
This service saved my bacon when my high sec pos was ransomed. If this service was not free i would have paid to have the help he gave me. I messaged him so many times i thought he would put me on ignore.
Top notch service.
Thank you soo much.
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
102
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:10:00 -
[239] - Quote
At least 150 corps served. I've been asking them to bump the thread here. So far only 2-3 have. Tis tragic. You'd be surprised how little communication goes on with this. People just apply, I accept them, send them an email with info asking them to bump the thread, they leave alliance. I'd say about 80% of them still have CSPA charges up as well. It's generally an equal mix of euro and American.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dec_Shield/corporations
And this is a bump. Still doing dec shield services.
Free Wardec Removal |
Optsix
xLegion of the dammedx.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:03:00 -
[240] - Quote
Awesome service for any corp looking to avoid a war dec, This is not a scam in anyway just keep your members allert for 24 hours and it should go as planned.
Dec Sheild i salute you o7 |
5p4c3 M4n
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:16:00 -
[241] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Its things like this that make Eve the sandbox it really should be.
agreed |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
30
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:03:00 -
[242] - Quote
There's a good chance this won't last forever. Nice to have a record of all the people who used it though. |
Lexa Hellfury
Tr0pa de elite.
G00DFELLAS
28
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:22:00 -
[243] - Quote
Wasn't this declared an exploit once already? |
Lexa Hellfury
Tr0pa de elite.
G00DFELLAS
28
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:29:00 -
[244] - Quote
Yup. |
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
20
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:59:00 -
[245] - Quote
And then they reversed their decision, which is why this guy formed his little "dec shield" alliance, complete with propaganda (linked early in the thread I think if you care to look) pointing out how it should STILL be considered and exploit...
Way to keep up with the times...
I don't log in - I don't need to.
My very existence griefs people.
They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation.
Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
102
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:32:00 -
[246] - Quote
February is now mutual wardec month. We are going to accumulate as many wardecs as possible. This will not affect the wardec removal process for individual corps. If accumulating wardecs somehow becomes a bad idea, we'll stop. Until then, CCP servers will just have to suffer hundreds of wardecs against us.
Free Wardec Removal |
Joshua Houghton
Top Loader Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:57:00 -
[247] - Quote
im using this :)
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Jadahhla Calculus
GriffinWaffe
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:18:00 -
[248] - Quote
Quick bump for a great service |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
502
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:59:00 -
[249] - Quote
As great as this all is, we all know its more a statement on how broken the game currently is
VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY - HE LIKES WAR DEX
he can fix dis thing
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Lorenso
I.Net Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:45:00 -
[250] - Quote
Thanks for your service
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CEO dell'Accademia Militare di I Net
Contattami ingame per joinare |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Cold Hand of Shadow
60
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:39:00 -
[251] - Quote
I enjoy mutual war dec month. I'm enjoying semi-randomly finding space nubs to pop, particularly the loudmouth in Jita who was playing undock games (Tornado's gonna pop!). |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
193
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:42:00 -
[252] - Quote
I wonder if there is a way to abuse this, or profit from this....
If you invited a PvP corp to join the alliance, they would suddenly have tons of new and interesting targets... I'd think you could sell this, or at least give some wanting corp access to all these war-targets!!!! |
Ulysses Lapidus
Mine ALL the Ore
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:53:00 -
[253] - Quote
My corp is using this right now. Thanks Zerg! |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
102
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:47:00 -
[254] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
I wonder if there is a way to abuse this, or profit from this....
If you invited a PvP corp to join the alliance, they would suddenly have tons of new and interesting targets... I'd think you could sell this, or at least give some wanting corp access to all these war-targets!!!!
If there are any pvp corps that would like to join, to fight new and unique people each week, they should contact me and we can make some arrangements. I see no reason Dec Shield shouldn't be able to grief wardeccers even more.
Free Wardec Removal |
Anethin
WarHawks Industries
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.11 11:37:00 -
[255] - Quote
Well what i can say i was needed to use Dec Shield to avoid stupid loses. Why? Simply if someone run alone corp in hi sec just for getting fun from producing and selling stuff on market buying bp's research them and dont have time for uber corps in low-null then he receive a War Dec from corp that has 20-30 and is pvp oriented? For what for take down PoS? For Hunting 1 member? Jesus ppl wtf you talking about this is pvp? I dont think so i had few trip in low sec and ofc i lose few ships ppl who shoot me down = respect i have no idea how they can reach me that fast and take me down this is pvp. Great job m8 and i had hope that you will find a pvp corp that will remove griefers from hi sec. And ofc maybe CCP fix War Dec mechanism for now and stop planning new features. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
39
|
Posted - 2012.02.11 12:54:00 -
[256] - Quote
Alexandra Delarge wrote:Nice to have a record of all the people who used it though. Indeed, indeed. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
102
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Posted - 2012.02.12 06:14:00 -
[257] - Quote
Dec Shield is now in 30 wars. A new record for us. Keep those wardecs coming!
Free Wardec Removal |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
15
|
Posted - 2012.02.12 20:30:00 -
[258] - Quote
Bumping.
Really liking the dec shield alliance. Not because it helps carebears but because someone has capitalized on a change in game mechanics.
Thanks for the help |
Phugoid
Black Horse Enterprises-International
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 16:33:00 -
[259] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Poland wanted germany to invade them.
Sorry, dont mean to go off topic here....but to reply to the quote!
Dont forget, Poland wasnt just invaded by Germany! The Russians invaded Poland from the east at about the same time, a fact that is convienently overlooked/unknown by so many.... :) |
Auntie Social
E-TEAM-USA Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 16:55:00 -
[260] - Quote
Hi,
I was skeptical, but now I'm a believer! My corp doesn't look for trouble. Our main interest is high tech manufacturing. Despite our lack of interest in PvP, my corp has been invited to 7 hisec wardecs since October. One of them lasted 5 weeks. It's great to have a service like "Dec Shield" available to flush away unwanted wardecs, for FREE even. You guys ought to charge for the service. It would be worth it! Let us know if we can do anything to help out...
Auntie Social |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
105
|
Posted - 2012.02.17 21:40:00 -
[261] - Quote
We've just broken the 200 corps served mark. We're currently in 39 wars.
Free Wardec Removal |
Ken Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.19 23:41:00 -
[262] - Quote
Bumping a great service, TY! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.21 02:55:00 -
[263] - Quote
Why would you waste a free war dec ?
It's already difficult enough to get someone to war dec you so joining an alliance to cut the dec short seems a bit pointless.
I'll never understand paying isk to avoid the fun part of eve.
wtf - why won't signatures delete? |
Nik Bombay
Universal Freelance
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 20:44:00 -
[264] - Quote
BuzzyBeagle wrote:Pussies everywhere rejoice!
Oh good. This must be one of the "Pussies" that go around wardecing indy and noob corps cause they suck to bad to go to null or join the militia. Most wardecs are declaired by pussies.
|
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
275
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 00:52:00 -
[265] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:Why would you waste a free war dec ?
It's already difficult enough to get someone to war dec you so joining an alliance to cut the dec short seems a bit pointless.
I'll never understand paying isk to avoid the fun part of eve.
+1
this is a signature |
Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech
Xenogenesis Alliance
34
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 03:36:00 -
[266] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:
I'll never understand paying isk to avoid the fun part of eve.
Some people including me just love a nice and quiet life with what you define "fun" as an optional thing. Never concidered PVP is actually booring almost all of the times? |
Ikra Atarm
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 12:05:00 -
[267] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Poland wanted germany to invade them.
This but perhaps this alliance will show Ccp how broken the
System is |
Diva Ex Machina
Son's of The Hammer
The Methodical Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 12:20:00 -
[268] - Quote
Nik Bombay wrote:Most wars are declared against indy and casual player corps so the lame pvprs that either got spanked out of null or are to much of a coward to even try, have an easy target. To much of a coward to do the militia.
The real pathetic thing about it is they think all those mining barges and mission rigged ships they gank look good on their kill list, lolz.
This. The majority of high sec war decs I have seen have been against newbie/PVE/indie corps who know bugger all about PVP and can't defend themselves. High sec war deccers generally suck at PVP and are looking for cheap and easy kills. If they happen to dec a corp who are willing and able to fight back they hide in a station.
Much as I like the idea of carebears using game mechanics to avoid non-consensual PVP, though, I can't help feeling that joining a dec shield alliance is just going to paint a huge target on your corp. It's going to flag you as exactly the kind of victim corp that's good for deccing. A better solution is to deprive your enemy of kills and make it too boring and/or expensive to continue the war. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
24
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 13:26:00 -
[269] - Quote
Got war decced as an indy corp? Move out to low sec / CVA space. Lulz will ensue. |
redokk
Imperial City Guard
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 14:13:00 -
[270] - Quote
It works, thanks for the service! :) |
Lord Charos
Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 14:20:00 -
[271] - Quote
so what if dec alliance got wardecced? |
Khaleb Valliante
Z0MBIELAND
Double Tap.
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 15:01:00 -
[272] - Quote
Diva Ex Machina wrote:Nik Bombay wrote:Most wars are declared against indy and casual player corps so the lame pvprs that either got spanked out of null or are to much of a coward to even try, have an easy target. To much of a coward to do the militia.
The real pathetic thing about it is they think all those mining barges and mission rigged ships they gank look good on their kill list, lolz. This. The majority of high sec war decs I have seen have been against newbie/PVE/indie corps who know bugger all about PVP and can't defend themselves. High sec war deccers generally suck at PVP and are looking for cheap and easy kills. If they happen to dec a corp who are willing and able to fight back they hide in a station. Much as I like the idea of carebears using game mechanics to avoid non-consensual PVP, though, I can't help feeling that joining a dec shield alliance is just going to paint a huge target on your corp. It's going to flag you as exactly the kind of victim corp that's good for deccing. A better solution is to deprive your enemy of kills and make it too boring and/or expensive to continue the war.
the majority of highsec wardecs are against huge failalliances like shadow of death, goons, test etc etc, who, due to their blob "pvp" doctrine and "i need someone to tell me what to do"-lemming mentality, possess no pvp skill at all at an individual level and are even easier prey than those high sec bears, while also offering much higher rewards in terms of drops |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
350
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 16:45:00 -
[273] - Quote
Ikra Atarm wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Poland wanted germany to invade them. This but perhaps this alliance will show Ccp how broken the System is
My post was in response to a particularly moronic post that came directly before mine. The poster stated that war is what happens when two entities that want to fight each other decide they want to fight.
I don't object to decsheild. It has the fantastic effect of placing a wonderful little mark in the alliance history of corps that need to be put against the wall when summer rolls around. |
Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
8
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 17:02:00 -
[274] - Quote
Well I just read through this thread and its made quite a read. My own thoughts on the topic is as follows.
For years people have been using devious ways to kill people in high sec. Can flipping can baiting ninja salvaging you name it somone has used it to try tricking a noob into destruction.
War dec griefs with alt remote repping blah blah anything that can be done to ruin somones day for them has been done its part of EVE.
Well now some people have come up with a devious means of unwanted war dec defense and I wish them all the luck with it. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
391
|
Posted - 2012.02.29 17:18:00 -
[275] - Quote
This is a great service and i know quite a few bears who have used this service.
+1 for the bears.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 19:45:00 -
[276] - Quote
Lord Charos wrote:so what if dec alliance got wardecced?
Nothing really.
All the wardecs of people that join dec shield are transferred to them that's the entire point isn't it?
Basically while you are in the dec shield alliance all the agressors of corp that joined the dec shield alliance can shoot you.
We're pretty much permanently at war with dec shield I think (the war is even mutual I noticed recently, no idea how that happened though). |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 23:42:00 -
[277] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:We've just broken the 200 corps served mark. We're currently in 39 wars.
That's 200 easily identifiable target corps to dec...as soon as the mechanics get fixed. This will only end in great lols.
Sig tanking is the new black |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 00:12:00 -
[278] - Quote
Ahrieman wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We've just broken the 200 corps served mark. We're currently in 39 wars. That's 200 easily identifiable target corps to dec...as soon as the mechanics get fixed. This will only end in great lols.
I has a list ^.^
The surrender mails are nice intel ;-) |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
108
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 00:19:00 -
[279] - Quote
250 former corporations now. What's truly amazing is how many wardeccers retract their mutual wars against us. We maxed out at 39 wars but now we're hovering around 32-35 for a few weeks. What are people afraid of? We haven't taken on a pvp wing yet, and yet they run before the might of DEC SHIELD!
Free Wardec Removal |
Silus Morde
Canseraga Mining Division
BMS Fusion
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 02:02:00 -
[280] - Quote
Just finished reading this wonderful thread. Been out of the game since last summer and I had forgotten a lot of things. so thanks for the refresher course. Mostly a tiny mining corp and part of the game I love is the danger - never knowing if I will be war-dec'd or suicide ganked, or have to abandon wrecks when ninja looters are around(forgot that one yesterday and got a scare - thought they were about to suicide my barge), etc. I love to mine, I do have an alt that can fight but would rather mine.
I guess that qualifies me as a carebear, however - without PvP and griefers this game would not be very exciting. Just saying. If I get war-dec'd I have options but you know that is just part of EVE(not all of) and without it - well it wouldn't be EVE. I did laugh at the post that suggested that there be an option to make grievers mine. Thanks for a great thread. There were many tears. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
63
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 14:35:00 -
[281] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:250 former corporations now. What's truly amazing is how many wardeccers retract their mutual wars against us. We maxed out at 39 wars but now we're hovering around 32-35 for a few weeks. What are people afraid of? We haven't taken on a pvp wing yet, and yet they run before the might of DEC SHIELD!
Ah so you made it mutual we did wonder.
Well bring it good sir! All pew is welcome pew. |
Kat Bandeis
Border Zone Excursions
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 21:16:00 -
[282] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't object to decsheild. It has the fantastic effect of placing a wonderful little mark in the alliance history of corps that need to be put against the wall when summer rolls around.
That says everything you need to say. Translation: "when the kids are out of school." |
Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.06 03:55:00 -
[283] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:250 former corporations now. What's truly amazing is how many wardeccers retract their mutual wars against us. We maxed out at 39 wars but now we're hovering around 32-35 for a few weeks. What are people afraid of? We haven't taken on a pvp wing yet, and yet they run before the might of DEC SHIELD!
because merc corps(not alliances) only have 3 wardec slots and no more, one slot dedicated to an unfruitful war with dec shield is not worth it.
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akita T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
|
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.06 18:45:00 -
[284] - Quote
Lithalnas wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:250 former corporations now. What's truly amazing is how many wardeccers retract their mutual wars against us. We maxed out at 39 wars but now we're hovering around 32-35 for a few weeks. What are people afraid of? We haven't taken on a pvp wing yet, and yet they run before the might of DEC SHIELD! because merc corps(not alliances) only have 3 wardec slots and no more, one slot dedicated to an unfruitful war with dec shield is not worth it.
Mutual wars don't count to the total though, so them making it mutual is doing a favour really ;-) |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.13 21:25:00 -
[285] - Quote
This is a handy tool.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.14 12:01:00 -
[286] - Quote
Inventive use of the mechanics, but I'm baffled that this is not considered an exploit. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
115
|
Posted - 2012.03.14 13:04:00 -
[287] - Quote
Tobiaz wrote:Inventive use of the mechanics, but I'm baffled that this is not considered an exploit.
It was until the GMs decided that wardecs were unfair to the victims. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
Dec Shield
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.14 13:26:00 -
[288] - Quote
Tobiaz wrote:Inventive use of the mechanics, but I'm baffled that this is not considered an exploit.
CCP threw in the towel on the issue, it is basically unmanageable in its current form. Hopefully a better mechanic will come out with the next expansion.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.14 13:34:00 -
[289] - Quote
I read that the wardecs are up for review in the next big update. If this is now the attitude at CCP, I fear the worst. Empire wardecs is one of the few things keeping empire space healthy, culling the carebears and forcing them to evolve into better EVE-players. |
Fat Lizard
Scorpions Academy
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.14 21:26:00 -
[290] - Quote
Bumping a fantastic service
Thank you Sir |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.16 15:48:00 -
[291] - Quote
285 corps helped (292 by this time tomorrow). We've reached a new record of 42 incoming wardecs as well.
Free Wardec Removal |
Atomik Harmonik
Working Girls
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.16 18:27:00 -
[292] - Quote
I really wish there was a 'dislike' button |
Hambonie
Moon In Scorpio
RED.OverLord
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 06:16:00 -
[293] - Quote
So what does care bear Corp do after war decs get fixed in the upcoming expansion and dec shield doesn't work anymore. Since a rework of joining or leaving alliances isn't going to cause you to shead war anymore  |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 10:50:00 -
[294] - Quote
Hambonie wrote:So what does care bear Corp do after war decs get fixed in the upcoming expansion and dec shield doesn't work anymore. Since a rework of joining or leaving alliances isn't going to cause you to shead war anymore
Jump corp? Dock up? Relocate? |
Daniel Dalegor
Cornucopia Ltd.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 12:50:00 -
[295] - Quote
Im very happy about this alliance and ability to shake off what us dont interest. If someone want PvP let he go to low sec and search for equal fight. :) |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.17 15:45:00 -
[296] - Quote
Hambonie wrote:So what does care bear Corp do after war decs get fixed in the upcoming expansion and dec shield doesn't work anymore. Since a rework of joining or leaving alliances isn't going to cause you to shead war anymore
Whatever is needed I suppose, corp jumping before a war starts would be far more common I guess. If there is no options the people in the sandbox that don't want to Pew-Pew will just except the 11% noob corp tax I suppose. It could be potentially damaging to the casual player base though. I doubt there will ever be a game mechanic that forces players to stay in a wardecced corp before the war actually starts. It would turn corps in to prisons.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Hambonie
Moon In Scorpio
RED.OverLord
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.18 18:23:00 -
[297] - Quote
Daniel Dalegor wrote:Im very happy about this alliance and ability to shake off what us dont interest. If someone want PvP let he go to low sec and search for equal fight. :)
Eve isn't about fair fights and having risk free gaming experience. The main problem I see with the dec shield mechanic is the inability to destroy assests like POSs and etc. Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland. |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.18 20:28:00 -
[298] - Quote
Hambonie wrote: Eve isn't about fair fights and having risk free gaming experience. The main problem I see with the dec shield mechanic is the inability to destroy assests like POSs and etc. Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland.
Why would you kill a pos that is still used by someone? that is not nice...
If you find a pos that is not being used, the corp would not use Dec Shield to prevent a war.
Besides that, if you have some guts you should gank a pos..... poofta! |
Hambonie
Moon In Scorpio
RED.OverLord
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.18 20:55:00 -
[299] - Quote
Lady Spink wrote:Hambonie wrote: Eve isn't about fair fights and having risk free gaming experience. The main problem I see with the dec shield mechanic is the inability to destroy assests like POSs and etc. Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland. Why would you kill a pos that is still used by someone? that is not nice... If you find a pos that is not being used, the corp would not use Dec Shield to prevent a war. Besides that, if you have some guts you should gank a pos..... poofta!
You do it because some people don't do remote research and it's nice when you pop a pos and T2 bpos fall out |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.18 21:14:00 -
[300] - Quote
Quote:Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland.
EVE has been stagnant for years. Making the game more user-friendly has actually boosted subscription numbers; there is a strong, direct, positive correlation with the softening of EVE and the rise in subscriptions. If anything, it has reinvigorated EVE. |
Lady Aja
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.19 05:48:00 -
[301] - Quote
I seen corps get over 50% of thier kills from dec shield.
pay 2m isk, get a weeks free war dec on corps leaving dec shield daily. |
Diesel47
Sons of Retribution
Malice Alliance
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.19 09:44:00 -
[302] - Quote
Lady Aja wrote:I seen corps get over 50% of thier kills from dec shield.
pay 2m isk, get a weeks free war dec on corps leaving dec shield daily.
You pay more to dec an alliance. |
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.19 13:47:00 -
[303] - Quote
Diesel47 wrote:Lady Aja wrote:I seen corps get over 50% of thier kills from dec shield.
pay 2m isk, get a weeks free war dec on corps leaving dec shield daily. You pay more to dec an alliance.
Actually you pay 2m isk to dec a CORP - get the CORP to run to dec shield - let dec shield set the war MUTUAL - and enjoy your free permanent war-dec against the ALLIANCE.....
Its really not all that complicated....You could probably even do it with your own alt corp (if you don't mind ruining the alt corp's alliance history)
I don't log in - I don't need to.
My very existence griefs people.
They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation.
Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |
Daniel Dalegor
Cornucopia Ltd.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.20 23:40:00 -
[304] - Quote
Hambonie wrote:Daniel Dalegor wrote:Im very happy about this alliance and ability to shake off what us dont interest. If someone want PvP let he go to low sec and search for equal fight. :) Eve isn't about fair fights and having risk free gaming experience. The main problem I see with the dec shield mechanic is the inability to destroy assests like POSs and etc. Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland.
1) Fighting in low sec should be without any negative hits. Its outlaw zone. You create there POS because you dont want to hit standing to faction to settle it in high sec? Your problem, defend it on your own.
2) Fighting in high sec should be with HUGE impact to security status and factions standing under what live corporation. Today war declarations are TO EASY. And people dont even want to be pirates in outlaw zones if they can so easy declare war in high sec.
3) If corporation join to militia, why the hell army dont protecting such corporation? They risking as patriots for faction, and they give in return nothing. They cant fly in enemy zones, they are keep at war with enemy militia. And still they can be war declared by some bored dude who have not enought balls to fly to low sec, and bulling in high sec so easy.
Than all this will be in game, dec shields will be not nessesery. To protect from idiotic wars you must do this in same way to prevent it. |
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
29
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:51:00 -
[305] - Quote
Daniel Dalegor wrote:Hambonie wrote:Daniel Dalegor wrote:Im very happy about this alliance and ability to shake off what us dont interest. If someone want PvP let he go to low sec and search for equal fight. :) Eve isn't about fair fights and having risk free gaming experience. The main problem I see with the dec shield mechanic is the inability to destroy assests like POSs and etc. Because of CCPs failed policy the game is turning from a sandbox into a stagnate marshland. 1) Fighting in low sec should be without any negative hits. Its outlaw zone. If you create there POS because you dont want to earn standing to faction to settle in high sec? It will be your problem to defend it on your own. 2) Fighting in high sec should be with HUGE impact to security status and factions standing under what live target corporation. Today war declarations are TO EASY. And people dont even want to be pirates in outlaw zones if they can so easy declare war in high sec and bully around rookies. 3) If corporation join to militia, should have immunite to any war declarations. Because they already fight for they faction, and risk on they own vs enemy militia. 4) Casus Belli system, few tight rules who give you right to declare war to someone without any problem in high sec. Four simple points, and all war declarations will be logic. So even dec shields will not be need.
I could go with war deccing a FW corp automatically war-deccing their NPC faction as well perhaps.....
But making it illegal to wardec them at all would be ridiculously ********....
I don't log in - I don't need to.
My very existence griefs people.
They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation.
Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |
Borun Tal
Border Zone Combat
70
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:20:00 -
[306] - Quote
The DecShield appears to be causing a great deal of griefer tears... Keep up the good work!! |
Lady Ayeipsia
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
55
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Posted - 2012.03.22 13:12:00 -
[307] - Quote
Thank you Dec shield! |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
116
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:28:00 -
[308] - Quote
This is our chance gentlemen. Tomorrow morning at 12:00 GMT fanfest has a panel featuring wardecs in particular. Alas I will not be there to speak on behalf of our cause, but some of you might be.
I strongly urge you to speak up and insist that Dec Shield tactics be made illegal, and ask for CCP to change mechanics to prevent the obvious abuse we've been inflicting upon the game.
By this time tomorrow we'll have helped 315 corporations escape legit wardecs. We'll also be in 55 wars. The use of Dec Shield has only been accelerating, and we've been accepting 3-4 corporations a day now.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dec_Shield/corporations
THE ABUSE NEEDS TO STOP.
Ask CCP why they reversed the rule about alliance hopping to wipe wardecs.
Ask CCP why they've allowed me to continue this obvious abuse.
Ask CCP specifically how they intend to prevent this abuse in the future.
Every time we hear the phrase "Dec Shield" mentioned over the livestream we will be taking shots. If I'm not suffering from alcohol poisoning by the end then I'll know our cause has failed. Do justice, end the abuse.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg
Free Wardec Removal |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:46:00 -
[309] - Quote
Quote:THE ABUSE NEEDS TO STOP.
The funny thing is, the only abusing happening is coming from you.
You spam your advertisement all over the place... no duh the "use has been accelerating".
Before nobody even cared, and things would have been fine.
But because you just can't stand not having the game your way, you have to agitate.
Guess what:
EVE Online isn't about you.
If someone wants to dump 1 billion ISK and over a month of training to create a dec shield for themselves... they deserve to use it. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
126
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Posted - 2012.03.24 11:09:00 -
[310] - Quote
T'Pawhl wrote:Quote:THE ABUSE NEEDS TO STOP. The funny thing is, the only abusing happening is coming from you. You spam your advertisement all over the place... no duh the "use has been accelerating". Before nobody even cared, and things would have been fine. But because you just can't stand not having the game your way, you have to agitate. Guess what: EVE Online isn't about you. If someone wants to dump 1 billion ISK and over a month of training to create a dec shield for themselves... they deserve to use it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1Vsnf6LGs
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Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.24 12:42:00 -
[311] - Quote
Goodbye DEC Shield Welcome tears. |
Kapitain Zino
GOOD FELLAS Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:50:00 -
[312] - Quote
Great Service - thank you DEC Shield! |
Kapitain Zino
GOOD FELLAS Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:00:00 -
[313] - Quote
Great service - thank you DEC Shield!
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Kapitain Zino
GOOD FELLAS Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:46:00 -
[314] - Quote
Sry for double post! |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
136
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:59:00 -
[315] - Quote
So apparently a pvp corp joined Dec Shield and was killing the wannabe highsec griefers looking for easy prey. Here are his tears:
issue with your shield
From: Kristopher Arione
Sent: 2012.03.31 05:46
To: The Zerg Overmind,
Kick out the pvp corp in dec shield they are camping 4-4 with goddamn vindicators protecitnt the ***** carbears, make this "shield" a secret carebear grief fest once again, remove the mercs.
then just now he convo'd me ingame:
Kristopher Arione > o/
The Zerg Overmind > o/
Kristopher Arione > yeah you were infested with a very high isk / sp merc corp
Kristopher Arione > they caught one of my noobs in a log on trap
The Zerg Overmind > I see
Kristopher Arione > http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12892578
Kristopher Arione > I see they are still a part of your alliance
The Zerg Overmind > They must not have left yet
Kristopher Arione > they dont plan to
Kristopher Arione > they are using your system to gain wars with the greifer corps who dec your members
Kristopher Arione > err clients
The Zerg Overmind > and you don't want to pvp?
Kristopher Arione > not against vindicators in trade shubs
Kristopher Arione > we dec small pve corps
Kristopher Arione > and kill them for the sake of greif
Kristopher Arione > If i wanted my ass handed to me I;d dec rebirth, moar tears, or dtap
The Zerg Overmind > I can't do much about it, they're welcome to leave at any time. But if you keep feeding them kill they'll probably stick around
Kristopher Arione > I retracted our war
The Zerg Overmind > ah, then problem solved
Kristopher Arione > meh, not really, we rather enjoied exploting your exploit to go after even more carebears
The Zerg Overmind > All good exploits must come to an end sadly
The Zerg Overmind > Anyways, fly safe o7
Anyone under the mistaken impression that I'm a griefer griefing carebears by protecting them, is mistaken. You are all viable targets. And your tears are sweet.
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James Amril-Kesh
152
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:40:00 -
[316] - Quote
Think I read something somewhere about posting full character names in chat logs and evemail not being allowed.
Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
VegasMirage
Instant Reaction Corp
Dec Shield
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:00:00 -
[317] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:So apparently a pvp corp joined Dec Shield and was killing the wannabe highsec griefers looking for easy prey. Here are his tears:
issue with your shield From: Kristopher Arione Sent: 2012.03.31 05:46 To: The Zerg Overmind, Kick out the pvp corp in dec shield they are camping 4-4 with goddamn vindicators protecitnt the ***** carbears, make this "shield" a secret carebear grief fest once again, remove the mercs.
then just now he convo'd me ingame: Kristopher Arione > o/ The Zerg Overmind > o/ Kristopher Arione > yeah you were infested with a very high isk / sp merc corp Kristopher Arione > they caught one of my noobs in a log on trap The Zerg Overmind > I see Kristopher Arione > http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12892578Kristopher Arione > I see they are still a part of your alliance The Zerg Overmind > They must not have left yet Kristopher Arione > they dont plan to Kristopher Arione > they are using your system to gain wars with the greifer corps who dec your members Kristopher Arione > err clients The Zerg Overmind > and you don't want to pvp? Kristopher Arione > not against vindicators in trade shubs Kristopher Arione > we dec small pve corps Kristopher Arione > and kill them for the sake of greif Kristopher Arione > If i wanted my ass handed to me I;d dec rebirth, moar tears, or dtap The Zerg Overmind > I can't do much about it, they're welcome to leave at any time. But if you keep feeding them kill they'll probably stick around Kristopher Arione > I retracted our war The Zerg Overmind > ah, then problem solved Kristopher Arione > meh, not really, we rather enjoied exploting your exploit to go after even more carebears The Zerg Overmind > All good exploits must come to an end sadly The Zerg Overmind > Anyways, fly safe o7
Anyone under the mistaken impression that I'm a griefer griefing carebears by protecting them, is mistaken. You are all viable targets. And your tears are sweet.
ALL HAIL ZERG o/
staying true to our anti-merc anti-griefer role play we decided to join Dec Shield, as you can see targets and tears are a plenty, atm this is best pvp in hi sec
thank you CCP for making this possible, please don't change a thing |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:46:00 -
[318] - Quote
so i guess your mechanic will change in the next expansion as a
"We are a Free Ally" in the new wardec system
POS saves will now service to be provided in high sec
hope this keeps you flying high!
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace.
In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Knee Garlips
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:02:00 -
[319] - Quote
my lips are huge and so is this post. bring the sandbox back. CCP stop selling the sand that was in the box. |
Callista Nueva
Geminous inc
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.03 10:01:00 -
[320] - Quote
''You must be this tall to survive this dungeon'' *Water rises ...*
Just because i see things in a differant viewpoint does not make me paranoid it makes me a bit obsolete in the majorities views.
Aand i do love the thought of Using repair drones as bait O: |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
1128
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:20:00 -
[321] - Quote
Please remember our extended forum rules: "The posting of chatlogs and EVEmails is not permitted" Thank you.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Atomik Harmonik
Working Girls
23
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:19:00 -
[322] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Please remember our extended forum rules: "The posting of chatlogs and EVEmails is not permitted" Thank you.
New Eden is a better place...jus' sayin' in mah loggin screen
Decshield going away is actually a good thing...unless it gets replaced by something even worse.
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
136
|
Posted - 2012.04.04 21:29:00 -
[323] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Please remember our extended forum rules: "The posting of chatlogs and EVEmails is not permitted" Thank you.
Allow me to paraphrase the conversation in no flattering terms then.
Kristopher Arione the CEO of Targaryen Protectorate came crying to me over the course of a few days insisting that I should boot Instant Reaction Corp from the alliance - because they were fighting back. Instant Reaction Corp (a pvp corp) had joined Dec Shield just to fight terrible wannabe pvpers like Targaryen Protectorate, and murder them easily on the Jita 4-4 undock. Kristopher Arione begged me to boot them from the alliance, becaues we were "infested" by a merc corp who were unfairly abusing our "exploit" and were catching their newbies in "log on traps".
He went on to whine about how they didn't actually like to pvp, and were only in it to grief members of Dec Shield - and for some reason thought I was on his side in this matter. In the end his entire corporation couldn't withstand two vindicator pilots and were forced to surrender from the war due to the overwhelming embarrassment at being terrible and losing ship after ship.
I since offered Instant Reaction Corp a permanent stance within Dec Shield, just to extract more tears from terrible wannabe griefers who don't understand the nuances of the game, or how to play.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
432
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:46:00 -
[324] - Quote
Hey Zerg, do you have any plans for what mechanic to horribly break to illustrate horribly CCP policy after inferno? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
136
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:12:00 -
[325] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Hey Zerg, do you have any plans for what mechanic to horribly break to illustrate horribly CCP policy after inferno?
Various concerns:
- The mercenary system will be horribly broken and never used unless there is a feedback method
- The having infinite defenders come to your rescue will be massively in favor of older players, and will need to be restricted to give a wardec "warm-up time" so they can't "surprise war targets" by having a massive fleet surround them and instantly enter into the conflict unannounced. - This will be very popular
- Restricting corps from retracting a war will only lead to more 1-man void corps that declare wars on behalf of a corp-hopping war force that hits targets of opportunity
- These void corps will also be used to bypass surrender mechanics that prevent redeccing for a week
- Inflated wardec costs against targets with more players will be abused as well. CCP won't implement this feature correctly at all. They'll fail to account for 51-day trials not counting as "trial accounts", thus completely negating the restriction. Trial accounts aren't what will be used to fluff membership numbers, it's the 51-day buddy accounts that will be.
- The Crimewatch highsec aggression/flagging system as described is too far overboard. (i.e. Can flipping should never be a global crime)
- Cynojammable lowsec will have its own loopholes and exploits however they plan to implement it
Game mechanic changes they should make to prevent explots:
- The Boomerang exploit will need to be fixed by preventing warpout once Concord has been called
- Prevent corp hopping while in space while there are wartargets in system
- A wardecced corp that applies/gets accepted to an alliance, it should send a message to the wardeccers informing them that in 24hrs they'll be at war with alliance X. (This is a variant on corphopping to "surprise" wartargets by suddenly being in a massive alliance that will be able to shoot them).
I'll have to think more about it, or get more details. But you can be assured there will be things to exploit. But so far it's on the right track
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VegasMirage
Mnt N' Dew.
32
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:27:00 -
[326] - Quote
ALL HAIL ZERG OVERMIND o/
confirming I <3 Dec Shield and maintain my membership openly, best hi sec pVp in eVe
we've gotten nearly 10 bill in kills between 4 pilots in a week, join Dec Shield and pVp today!!!
+1 bump for the instant Reaction guys and Whoopi Goonberg for making it happen - great job
hi sec merc/griefer tears > any other tears in eVe |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
134
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:48:00 -
[327] - Quote
Bumping for the lols.
Love this alliance as it causes griefer tears and griefer tears are the best tears
Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:49:00 -
[328] - Quote
VegasMirage is a mouthy dickhole, but this is hilarious.
Excellent work. Keep it up. |
VegasMirage
Empire Douchebag Eviction Board
32
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Posted - 2012.04.05 01:53:00 -
[329] - Quote
[quote=Psychotic Monk]VegasMirage is a mouthy dickhole, but this is hilarious
Excellent work. Keep it up.[/quote
not sure who you are tbh, but the only people who consider me "a mouthy dickhole" are:
1 - racist tards I call out
2 - guys who shoot stuff that don't shoot back and then smack everybody about their l33tness
3 - players who think there's no consequences to backstabbing friends of mine
does this describe you
All my war decs are against mercs, griefers or alliances filled with smack talking douchebags, people who moonlight as mercs and run incursions or siege POS Towers all day
I/we [gang of 4 pilots] took on Narwhals, SRS., Sk33t Fl33t, F0rceful Entry, 0ccupational Hazzard, Blood Union, The God Squad and many more of the same class. I get the tears in convos, hatemail and continued forum trolling even after the wars are over, proof the butthurt runs deep.
To recap, I/we dec to settle scores, not for isk. I have no contracts, but I have in excess of 20-30 wars at any one time. Once you're a target you'll always receive attention from me. For as long as I play eVe
We honor 1 v 1's, ransoms, but not from war targets, also we offer war dec buy outs [just send an apology letter and pay a small fine], etc., funny most of out targeted leadership say they don't care about our wars while their members take the losses, eVe has tons of fail leaders.
Also, anybody can play the game with us, use our comms, etc., we have nothing to hide. We play for laughs.
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kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
22
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:46:00 -
[330] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:VegasMirage is a mouthy dickhole, but this is hilarious.
Excellent work. Keep it up.
Is he related to victor vegas? cuz he was hot!
New Eden is a better place because of bacon. |
Chicken Pizza
Penumbra Institute
40
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 21:38:00 -
[331] - Quote
Serve the hive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8 |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
138
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:36:00 -
[332] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:- The Boomerang exploit will need to be fixed by preventing warpout once Concord has been called
This is now fixed. Thank you CCP.
"Your warp engines have been disabled due to your recent criminal activity. The criminal timer will run out in 14 minutes and 57 seconds."
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VegasMirage
Mnt N' Dew.
32
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:08:00 -
[333] - Quote
kiki mo wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:VegasMirage is a mouthy dickhole, but this is hilarious.
Excellent work. Keep it up. Is he related to victor vegas? cuz he was hot! New Eden is a better place because of bacon.
no |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
23
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:11:00 -
[334] - Quote
I wanted to thank you guys for allowing us to use your service several times and congratulate on getting your point across to CCP.
Good job and well done! Even though the changes will make wars more annoying for the likes of us, I welcome them. They will surely make EVE a much more interesting place :) |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
143
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 18:44:00 -
[335] - Quote
Currently we're in 63 wars, a new record high for us (and maybe the game?)
We've helped over 410 corporations
And we've killed at least 28bil in ships this month (somehow)
Dec Shield is still very much alive and kicking. We'll still be offering this service up until CCP stops us with the next expansion.
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raidnkill
Violent Fury
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:00:00 -
[336] - Quote
Good stuff! |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:07:00 -
[337] - Quote
So what will the "New Dec Shield" be for Inferno?
"Join our alliance and stay - make the Deccers pay out the arse"? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3040
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:17:00 -
[338] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:So what will the "New Dec Shield" be for Inferno?
"Join our alliance and stay - make the Deccers pay out the arse"?
there won't be one, enjoy your sodomizing |
Angelo Schilling
Interstellar Protections Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:24:00 -
[339] - Quote
By far one of the most interesting ideas when it comes to solutions for the currently broken WD mechanics.
Bumpitty bump-bump!
"They got my corp out!"
Hopefully this won't be affected by any changes that don't also fix the WD mechanics. The costs associated with maintaining wardecs are ridiculously low. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:40:00 -
[340] - Quote
Is Dec Shield going to revamp it's business plan when the changes to war decs occur? You will still be able to dec shield by throwing tons of buddy accounts into an alliance. |
Manostranoia
Strategic Initiatives
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:05:00 -
[341] - Quote
*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING.... |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
359
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:10:00 -
[342] - Quote
Manostranoia wrote:*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING....
So are they... Your point? Just let it be. If they join DEC shield so what. Move along.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
146
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Posted - 2012.05.11 07:37:00 -
[343] - Quote
Manostranoia wrote:*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING....
I would also like to quote this post for posterity.
I don't know what I'll do with Dec Shield once the end is nigh. We'll probably turn it over to the people, or sell it, or close it. Unless we can find some new method of abuse. We'll keep our options open for now.
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
174
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:05:00 -
[344] - Quote
The Zerg Overmind wrote:I don't know what I'll do with Dec Shield once the end is nigh. We'll probably turn it over to the people, or sell it, or close it. Unless we can find some new method of abuse. We'll keep our options open for now. So, you like this Inferno thing?
Post with your monkey. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
146
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Posted - 2012.05.25 22:50:00 -
[345] - Quote
Right now we've closed the doors of Dec Shield since we cannot help anyone anymore. It is good. We will continue to lurk and evaluate further ways to abuse the system. So far we commend the Inferno changes, except for the inventory system - which should be undone at once.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
268
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Posted - 2012.05.25 23:48:00 -
[346] - Quote
Thanks for all your work pointing out the flaw in dec scraping in a really vivid manner. It's too bad it took so long for something to get done about it. We lost many good shitheels in that long dark slump.
Also, thank you for giving me a big list of things to dec on the premise that they avoided justice in the past! |
Hacklespur Harrowhound
The Abdication Corporation
WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 12:51:00 -
[347] - Quote
Quote:
We had 458 corporations in alliance (probably a server high)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Shadow_of_xXDEATHXx/corporations
Someone doesn't keep up with nullsec alliances. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
132
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:10:00 -
[348] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:Also, thank you for giving me a big list of things to dec on the premise that they avoided justice in the past! Move every zigs ! |
Azura Solus
Canibus Liberum
9
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:33:00 -
[349] - Quote
Good Riddance! Eve will be a better place without you |
Ramon Sohei
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP
Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:45:00 -
[350] - Quote
Here's an idea... Make a DEC SHIELD alliance for every faction. Then have them fight each other. Oh wait, thats Faction Warfare. Nevermind. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
239
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Posted - 2012.06.13 18:35:00 -
[351] - Quote
DEC SHIELD come back the new anti ally rules at http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72889 where the same sort ofthings that brought you into existance last time
The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
ostar ostar
Odyssey Space Exploration
10
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:42:00 -
[352] - Quote
Random idea for continuing the good spirit of this alliance:
Why don't you have simply masses of people/corps in the alliance and offer a free assistance service?
If you get enough people on board, not only would the cost to dec you directly become astronomical, there would be few wars you couldn't win.
From this thread i can see quite a few people joined Dec Shield simply to give grief to the griefers, and it would still technically be a shield, just not an impenetrable one like before. The so-called pvp'ers get all the targets they could wish for, anti-grief corps finally become some measure of effective (i.e. not a joke) and indy corps get some protection. Pretty much everyone wins (read: dies-in-a-fire)
EDIT: you would have to implement it quickly though. Reputation erodes fast, and getting the ball rolling again will get harder as time goes on. Pretty please? |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
150
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Posted - 2012.06.15 07:43:00 -
[353] - Quote
ostar ostar wrote:Random idea for continuing the good spirit of this alliance:
Why don't you have simply masses of people/corps in the alliance and offer a free assistance service?
If you get enough people on board, not only would the cost to dec you directly become astronomical, there would be few wars you couldn't win.
From this thread i can see quite a few people joined Dec Shield simply to give grief to the griefers, and it would still technically be a shield, just not an impenetrable one like before. The so-called pvp'ers get all the targets they could wish for, anti-grief corps finally become some measure of effective (i.e. not a joke) and indy corps get some protection. Pretty much everyone wins (read: dies-in-a-fire)
EDIT: you would have to implement it quickly though. Reputation erodes fast, and getting the ball rolling again will get harder as time goes on. Pretty please?
We considered this idea, but examined what we could maintain in terms of random people in the alliance. We could maintain 600+, but that only places incoming wars at 130mil or so last I checked. Even if we gained upward of 7000 people the wardec cost would cap out at 500mil per week. While that offers decent protection against random incoming wardecs, there's little incentive for most people to join the alliance. Corporations that are griefed in the field would only join to prevent a second week of wardecs against them. But as we've seen before, griefers just wardec their own corp, and have that corp join Dec Shield. And then they're at war with the alliance for the duration of the week - and with access to far greater targets than they had first decced into.
In the end the only protection it would offer would be for highsec tower owners, who have very little undocked activity. I might be convinced to turn over ownership of the alliance to someone who could wield it for the public good though. We're still entertaining various theories and loopholes for wardec mechanics to see if there are things to abuse. But everyone is doing a pretty decent job of pointing them out, and CCP is doing a decent job filling in the holes.
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VegasMirage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:28:00 -
[354] - Quote
Dec Shield Update: Post inferno
My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.
What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.
I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.
Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].
So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.
Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP. |
chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
19
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:46:00 -
[355] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:Dec Shield Update: Post inferno
My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.
What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.
I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.
Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].
So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.
Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.
f*cking brilliant |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
193
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Posted - 2012.06.19 11:52:00 -
[356] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:Dec Shield Update: Post inferno
My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.
What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.
I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.
Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].
So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.
Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.
I like where this is going and eagerly await the outcome....
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:03:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Dec Shield Update: Post inferno
My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.
What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.
I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.
Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].
So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.
Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.
I've had a large number of our people offer money to drop the wars too, which I found odd. This would drastically screw up corp hopping and ruins a lot of gameplay for them. I just assumed they could get out of the wars... I guess not though
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VegasMirage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:35:00 -
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Since posting last time on this thread, I've receieved increased cash offers for surrenders. Not interested in them.
Are there any other pre-inferno Dec Shielders that have the same mutual war list? Or are we the only ones? If so contact me please.
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:33:00 -
[359] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:
Since posting last time on this thread, I've receieved increased cash offers for surrenders. Not interested in them.
Are there any other pre-inferno Dec Shielders that have the same mutual war list? Or are we the only ones? If so contact me please.
Well you could always accept the surrenders for isk, and then rejoin Dec Shield, reabsorb all our wars again, and then go through a whole new round of surrenders against the same people
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:01:00 -
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Haha, so I just logged in after being offline for weeks, and discovered a whole new batch of corp applications looking to shed wardecs, but obviously not knowing about the changes in mechanics. I didn't bother to read any of their application texts until after I accepted them. Corps of carebears applied to join to get rid of a war they had from a can flipper.
By this time tomorrow they're going to be in 40 wars, hahaha. Helping the community, one corp at a time ^^
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:56:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Haha, so I just logged in after being offline for weeks, and discovered a whole new batch of corp applications looking to shed wardecs, but obviously not knowing about the changes in mechanics. I didn't bother to read any of their application texts until after I accepted them. Corps of carebears applied to join to get rid of a war they had from a can flipper.
By this time tomorrow they're going to be in 40 wars, hahaha. Helping the community, one corp at a time ^^
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VegasMirage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:12:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Haha, so I just logged in after being offline for weeks, and discovered a whole new batch of corp applications looking to shed wardecs, but obviously not knowing about the changes in mechanics. I didn't bother to read any of their application texts until after I accepted them. Corps of carebears applied to join to get rid of a war they had from a can flipper.
By this time tomorrow they're going to be in 40 wars, hahaha. Helping the community, one corp at a time ^^
too funny, this is gonna be fun
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