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Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.09.23 15:45:00 - [1] I've updated my skill planner to include all of the skills now available on the market. Jaabaa's Mini Skill Planner It is a small Java application that processes the XML DATA from My Characters, you have to download it and save it to your hard drive then open it with my application. To launch the appliaction all you have to do is double click on the file called "eveskill.jar". It displays all the skills you have and the combined time it would take to train them to any level and the date/time they would complete if you were to start training them immediately in your local time zone. There is also an option to save the results as an HTML file. If you have a skill that the application doesn't know about you can add it yourself to the file "skills.xml" and I wouldn't mind being informed about it too so I can update the zip file accordingly. I hope this helps someone, and please let me know what you think of it. Enjoy -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Fivor	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:29:00 - [2] Unfortuataly, the My Char pages has been disbaled for a bit.... BIG Sales Eve Search
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.09.23 16:31:00 - [3] Yeah, I just read the Dev Blog -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Amiga A4000	Posted - 2005.09.24 11:59:00 - [4] Tried out your App and all I got was a white screen, loaded the skills file but NOTHING. Do I need to download something from ccp website to start with? Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make it's own judgements.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.09.24 12:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Amiga A4000 Tried out your App and all I got was a white screen, loaded the skills file but NOTHING. Do I need to download something from ccp website to start with? You need the XML data from the skill tree page, but CCP has disabled it atm. So unless you have a copy of it lying around there isn't much you can do with it atm -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.21 21:35:00 - [6] At least CCP didn't change the format again So it still works, and now that the Character Sheet has been re-enabled you can all try it out now -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Don Shinra	Posted - 2005.10.22 02:36:00 - [7] What a great tool! I use this quite often now--it's wonderful! Member of [5]
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.22 18:18:00 - [8] Glad you like it -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Pricechecker One	Posted - 2005.10.23 08:41:00 - [9] Nifty little tool. Nice work Jaabaa :)
Expendable Soldier	Posted - 2005.10.23 16:21:00 - [10] could you go into more detail on the use? I double click on the files and nothing happens. does it need ot be in a certain directory?.... i also ahve the XML data saved to my desktop. Help?

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.23 17:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 23/10/2005 17:36:03 Originally by: Expendable Soldier could you go into more detail on the use? I double click on the files and nothing happens. does it need ot be in a certain directory?.... i also ahve the XML data saved to my desktop. Help? Unzip the eveskill.zip into a directory of your choice. Save the "XML DATA" to a file of your coice (I save mine as "Jaabaa Prime.xml"). Double click on eveskill.jar, when the window opens go to "File -> Open" in the menu and select the XML file that you downloaded. Voila ... Update: I messed up "Guided Missile Precision" in the skills.xml file, it says it is a "Rank 2" skill although it is really a "Rank 5" skill. I'll update the zip correct this at some point in the near future, until then you can update the file yourself. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Namarus	Posted - 2005.10.23 20:55:00 - [12] Edited by: Namarus on 23/10/2005 20:56:53 It doesn't seem to factor in my implants. Gallente drone specialisation doesn't work Mobile factory operation doesn't work. Mobiles refinary operation doesn't work. Gallente starship engineering doesn't work. ________________ WTB +5 Willpower Implant
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Namarus It doesn't seem to factor in my implants. It should. Originally by: Namarus Gallente drone specialisation doesn't work Gallente starship engineering doesn't work. Spelling mistake for both: Gallente Drone Specialization Gallentean Starship Engineering Originally by: Namarus Mobile factory operation doesn't work. Mobiles refinary operation doesn't work. Added these 2 new skills: Mobile Factory Operation Mobile Refinery Operation Zip file updated with the above changes and additions, also the Guided Missile Precision rank fix is in there. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Expendable Soldier	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:03:00 - [14] thanks it works great... it does show implants .... i had to install a java app in order for my computer to recognize the .jar file as an executable.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Expendable Soldier thanks it works great... it does show implants .... Cool, that last post had me wondering Originally by: Expendable Soldier i had to install a java app in order for my computer to recognize the .jar file as an executable. Duh, of course. You will need the "Java Runtime Edition - JRE" to execute it, see: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (you only need the SDK as a developer and it's MUCH bigger). -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Namarus	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:14:00 - [16] Something is still wrong mate with the effective attributes part. my base are int 8 cha 8 per 8 mem 8 will 7 it lists my effective as int 19.8 cha 19.8 per 19.8 mem 19.8 will 23.10 when actually my attributes should be listed as much higher. 8+5(attribute skills)+5(adv attribute skills)+5 (Implant)+ 10% (learning skill)= 25.3 I've got +5s on all except willpower, and +4s on willpower, however the only one working my correct effective attribute is the willpower calculations, since it should be 23.1, while all the others should be 25.3 ________________ WTB +5 Willpower Implant
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:34:00 - [17] I just edited a copy of my XML to match what you said and this is what I get displayed: Attribute - Base value - Effective value Intelligence - 8 - 25.3 Charisma - 8 - 25.3 Perception - 8 - 25.3 Memory - 8 - 25.3 Willpower - 7 - 24.20 So I can't figure out what's going wrong with your XML file -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Namarus	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:24:00 - [18] I'll try downloading another copy of the xml without using mozilla incase that is messing it up. ________________ WTB +5 Willpower Implant
Namarus	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Namarus on 24/10/2005 01:27:54 Found the problem. Looking at the XML provided by CCP, it doesn't include any of the data on my +5 implants, only the +4 this is throwing the whole thing out of sync. Sorry for the trouble. I do like the sheet, is it possible to say colour code the skill names, to make is more apparent that skill training of the skill is complete? I like lots of colours :) ________________ WTB +5 Willpower Implant
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.24 20:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Namarus Found the problem. Looking at the XML provided by CCP, it doesn't include any of the data on my +5 implants, only the +4 this is throwing the whole thing out of sync. So if understand you correctly, CCP doesn't include information for +5 implants in the XML ? If so, have you reported this as a bug to CCP ? Originally by: Namarus Sorry for the trouble. np, I just couldn't understand what the heck was going on. Originally by: Namarus I do like the sheet, is it possible to say colour code the skill names, to make is more apparent that skill training of the skill is complete? I like lots of colours :) I would be able to do that IF CCP were to put in the correct SP value for the skill that is currently training and maybe a timestamp when the XML was generated (failing that I could use the file timestamp), but CCP really has to include the current SP value of the skill in training and not just the SPs it had when training started. Maybe t20 could slightly modify it in this respect and add that information the same way as the old style XML did -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein

Noobie Noobsen	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:54:00 - [21] Nice little tool :-) but i think the rank fpr science is worng. i have lvl4 for and your tool says, i need 22d+ to complete lvl5, like a rank6 skill. it should be around 4 days... nothing else to complain ;-)
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.26 07:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Noobie Noobsen Nice little tool :-) but i think the rank fpr science is worng. i have lvl4 for and your tool says, i need 22d+ to complete lvl5, like a rank6 skill. it should be around 4 days... nothing else to complain ;-) Glad you like it Science is a rank 5 skill so the time shown should be correct. Right click on the skill in game and compare the 2 values, they should match each other exactly. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Noobie Noobsen	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Noobie Noobsen on 26/10/2005 13:11:34 Edited by: Noobie Noobsen on 26/10/2005 13:11:24 hm, i just started eve and checked my skilltree. science is an rank 1 skill and need 3d 20h 33m 15s to complete lvl 5, your tool says 22d 14h 16m 6s. looks like a rank 6 skill for me. This is a link to the eve-online item database
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:50:00 - [24] /me slaps head and says DUH I entered level instead of rank, you are of course right. It is a rank 1 skill. I've updated the file to reflect this. Thanks for the information. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Noobie Noobsen	Posted - 2005.10.26 19:35:00 - [25] no problem, keep up the good work
Astroasia	Posted - 2005.10.27 06:24:00 - [26] works awsome, but any chance theres a way to add skills? theres a few i would like to check on training times for that i havnt trained yet, be neat to be able to add new ones.
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2005.10.27 13:12:00 - [27] From the OP: Originally by: Jaabaa Prime If you have a skill that the application doesn't know about you can add it yourself to the file "skills.xml" and I wouldn't mind being informed about it too so I can update the zip file accordingly.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.27 16:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Astroasia works awsome, but any chance theres a way to add skills? theres a few i would like to check on training times for that i havnt trained yet, be neat to be able to add new ones. That's easy to do. Just add the skills to a copy of your downloaded character skills (the XML file) and load it in the planner. You have to make sure it's the correct format though. You can also play about with things like "What effect would a +5 implant have ?" and things like that. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Ayla Vanir From the OP: Originally by: Jaabaa Prime If you have a skill that the application doesn't know about you can add it yourself to the file "skills.xml" and I wouldn't mind being informed about it too so I can update the zip file accordingly. Not quite. The file "skills.xml" contains the skill definitions, things like rank, primary and secondary attributes and the prerequisite skills and levels. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.27 18:27:00 - [30] Changed the output a little, enjoy UPDATED 2005-10-26 20:08:51 GMT * Added more details to the attribute table. * Highlights skill that is currently training. * Skill rank is now shown. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein

Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.10.28 07:20:00 - [31] Finally managed to dl and install java on my PC. Very simple to understand. Great functionality. Thanks for your tool ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.28 13:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Evil Thug Very simple to understand. Great functionality. Thanks for your tool Glad you like it, spread the word -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Zakgram	Posted - 2005.10.28 21:10:00 - [33] Didn't work for me; the batch file tries to call "java" but with several java's in my path (thanks DOJ, Sun) it doesn't get whatever it needs from the java installed. I tried changing the batch file to explicilty path a java, but then all I got was a message about passing across the skills xml file. So, I guess I'm too thick to use it Ta Zak
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.28 21:44:00 - [34] Just "double click" on the jar file -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Zakgram	Posted - 2005.10.28 22:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Just "double click" on the jar file For some reason that opened the java file and showed me a bunch of routines. I updated my java from Sun and magically it's working... Thanks. Interesting utility.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.10.29 00:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Zakgram Thanks. Interesting utility. Glad you can finally enjoy it I don't want to distribute windows "exe" files and the file doesn't refer to any mail API, so the functionality is the way it is. If more people were to respond positively and with their commments then I could (would) improve as requested, But TBH ..., Most people only complain when something doesn't work and have no idea about the work behind getting the simplest of EVE applications up and running. So your classification of Quote: Interesting utility. leaves me wondering if I should continue development. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Zakgram	Posted - 2005.10.29 07:18:00 - [37] Like all tools it needs to solve a problem for it to be useful. For me, it's just about to save me having to log into eve and check how my skill training is ongoing since I can just get a new xml file down, load it up, and check there. And then I won't need to download again until I change skills since I know when it'll be completing. So - that's useful. However, as with all tools, there are ways that it could be improved. e.g. suggesting training a learning or advanced learning skill would all x number of skills to be trained quicker in real time. But bloat is always a worry - many features and tools start to get a learning curve that is imho not worth it. Lots of the spreadsheets and character development apps are like this - probably fantastic once you get into them, but I cba to get into them. Your tool isn't like that - it just does it's job. I know development of tools isn't easy. This tool is probably one that would be better as a web application you upload your xml too - then we don't need to run java locally. You'd also get an idea of how many people were using it then too... KEEP WRITING USEFUL, INTERESTING TOOLS! Thanks Zak
Knacker Lover	Posted - 2005.10.29 23:31:00 - [38] Handy Tool. Thanks!!
Vanna Anne	Posted - 2005.11.06 02:51:00 - [39] Jaabaa, very cool tool! Will use this frequently. A couple of things... You might want to add a quick readme.html on how to use it (I didn't have any problems, but reading this thread I can see the need). Do you know of a way to get the xml file without hitting the EVE web site, selecting My Char, logging in, selecting My Char (again), choosing the Character you want the XML data for, then (finally) right clicking and downloading the XML? (I guess I am hoping for something like wget so I can automate it with a batch file or something... LOL). Finally, how about a feature request? I think it would be really cool to be able to save a .vcs (vCalendar) file of when your current training is going to expire. That way you could import it into your PIM (I use a Palm device, but it would work on most anything that has a calendar interface on your PC.) Thanks again for the Skill Planner!
silv 9	Posted - 2005.11.06 03:02:00 - [40] Hey Jaabaa, Answering your question on continuing development. My vote is yes! I just tried your tool today and had 0 problems (I work in IT, so I may have a 'leg up' though - maybe Vanna's suggestion of a readme file would be a good idea, I would go .txt though). I agree with Zakgram that the tool is useful as is, and doesn't really need many extra features. But I also agree with Vanna Anne that a simpler way to get the xml data would be great (possibly a feature add?). I really like her suggestion of being able to create a *.vcs file (I use a Palm too). Possibly the vcs file could have an alarm 10% of the time before completion? Keep up the good work!

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:48:00 - [41] Thanks for the comments. I don't want to mess about with account names and passwords or any of that stuff that might make people suspicious of using it. I find that saving the XML yourself where and when you want is the best option. I'm not sure about making a VCS file, as it's easy enough to enter an entry in your calender application of choice yourself. I mainly use it to figure out how I can piece together my training to match RL commitments, sometimes splitting training into 2 or more blocks when I am away on business. I do agree that I should make a readme file explaining exactly what you need to have to run the application and how to use it. User documentation was never my strong point I was thinking of adding an "Add skill" feature, so you can add a skill to the planner just to see the training times, and maybe a way of adding or switching implant bonuses to allow people to see what effect those extra few points would have on their training times, the same for the learning skill levels too (atm I just make a 2nd copy of CCP's XML file and fiddle about with that). A kind of "what would happen if .." analysis option. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:21:00 - [42] Fix for Destroyers. Added RMR skills from patch level 3760. ---------
Harry Colorado	Posted - 2005.12.04 09:58:00 - [43] Edited by: Harry Colorado on 04/12/2005 09:59:53 Originally by: Vanna Anne Jaabaa, very cool tool! Will use this frequently. A couple of things... You might want to add a quick readme.html on how to use it (I didn't have any problems, but reading this thread I can see the need). Do you know of a way to get the xml file without hitting the EVE web site, selecting My Char, logging in, selecting My Char (again), choosing the Character you want the XML data for, then (finally) right clicking and downloading the XML? (I guess I am hoping for something like wget so I can automate it with a batch file or something... LOL). Finally, how about a feature request? I think it would be really cool to be able to save a .vcs (vCalendar) file of when your current training is going to expire. That way you could import it into your PIM (I use a Palm device, but it would work on most anything that has a calendar interface on your PC.) Thanks again for the Skill Planner! It is a bit strange for me... I can not choose My Char on the EVE Website. I am always ending up in the Players News Center. Am I doing something wrong???? Please help! Thx in advance, Harry C
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Harry Colorado It is a bit strange for me... I can not choose My Char on the EVE Website. I am always ending up in the Players News Center. Am I doing something wrong???? Please help! Thx in advance, Harry C That one of the site's quirks. After you have logged on you should be able to get to the character page. ---------
Harry Colorado	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Harry Colorado It is a bit strange for me... I can not choose My Char on the EVE Website. I am always ending up in the Players News Center. Am I doing something wrong???? Please help! Thx in advance, Harry C That one of the site's quirks. After you have logged on you should be able to get to the character page. Thanks for your quick response. I just tried it again. I logged on and tried to open the My Char page.... same damn result! I am always ending up on the Player News Tap! Quite annyoing tho. Cheers, HC
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2005.12.05 19:13:00 - [46] I liked this a lot - ta very much for your effort - as you add more things pls do post here. Ta again It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
NebulousBlur	Posted - 2005.12.06 18:22:00 - [47] Using this on a Linux desktop with Sun's Java Runtime: The Attributes Table at the top is slightly messed up. The 'Intelligence' entry appears to the right of the 'Base Value' header, with the row containing both the 'Bonuses' and 'Intelligence' values. I can get a screenshot of this if it is needed. When starting the application, I get 2 messages in my console: Skill "Electronic Sharpshooting" not found ? Skill "Hydromagnetics" not found ? In the skills.xml file, electronic sharpshooting is listed as required by Sentry Drone Interfacing, Hydromagnetics is listed as being required by Ice Processing. They don't show up anywhere else in the skills file. Suggestions: It would be nice if we could directly modify the attribute scores in the application so we could quickly see how much benefit training one of the learning skills or buying a new implant would give. A checkmark or menu option to display all the skills vs just the trained skills would be very helpful. If you have a skill at level 1, does the level 4 box display the total time to train up to that level from level 1, or does it display only the time to train up to it from level 3? Proud user of Warp Core Stabilizers
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.06 18:51:00 - [48] Originally by: NebulousBlur Using this on a Linux desktop with Sun's Java Runtime: The Attributes Table at the top is slightly messed up. The 'Intelligence' entry appears to the right of the 'Base Value' header, with the row containing both the 'Bonuses' and 'Intelligence' values. I can get a screenshot of this if it is needed. I'll fire up my linux later and have a look, thanks for the heads up but I fear that there is little I can do about how Java renders the HTML on linux. Originally by: NebulousBlur When starting the application, I get 2 messages in my console: Skill "Electronic Sharpshooting" not found ? Skill "Hydromagnetics" not found ? In the skills.xml file, electronic sharpshooting is listed as required by Sentry Drone Interfacing, Hydromagnetics is listed as being required by Ice Processing. They don't show up anywhere else in the skills file. I'll have another look on Sisi, I have obviously missed something while going through the skills list. Originally by: NebulousBlur Suggestions: It would be nice if we could directly modify the attribute scores in the application so we could quickly see how much benefit training one of the learning skills or buying a new implant would give. The programm currently creates the static HTML for display, I'll see what I can do though. Originally by: NebulousBlur A checkmark or menu option to display all the skills vs just the trained skills would be very helpful. I was thinking of adding a tree view to display the levels of skills and their requirements in a seperate window, a kind of "skill explorer" maybe even with the times for the "required skills" that you don't currently have. Originally by: NebulousBlur If you have a skill at level 1, does the level 4 box display the total time to train up to that level from level 1, or does it display only the time to train up to it from level 3? The times displayed a cumulative, if you have level 1, the time displayed in the lvl 4 box is the combined time required for levels 2,3 and 4. The exception to this are the learning skills which should dynamically change as the learning levels progress, but I didn't bother implementing this. ---------
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: NebulousBlur When starting the application, I get 2 messages in my console: Skill "Electronic Sharpshooting" not found ? Skill "Hydromagnetics" not found ? In the skills.xml file, electronic sharpshooting is listed as required by Sentry Drone Interfacing, Hydromagnetics is listed as being required by Ice Processing. They don't show up anywhere else in the skills file. I'll have another look on Sisi, I have obviously missed something while going through the skills list. Fix uploaded, "Electronic Sharpshooting" should have been "Drone Sharpshooting" and "Hydromagnetics" should have been "Hydromagnetic Physics". ---------
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:09:00 - [50] I'll be checking the RMR release skills today, if you know anything that has changed in the skills/requirements since patch level 3760 would you let me know here please, just in case I miss it. Thanks ---------

Vasco DaGama	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:33:00 - [51] Jaabaa Great tool indeed A change request maybe: It would be nice that if u calculate how long it would take to train a skill, u would consider all pre-req skills too Like the tool tells me it would take me until 11-jan to go from mining barge 3 to 5. But it does not mention that it will take much longer since I do not have astrogeology 5 yet, I only have 4 Could this funcationlity be added. Or maybe mention both number: How long it would take just for the skill to train, and alos with the dependent skills Vasco DaGama It's a beautiful day The sun is shining I feel good And no-one, no-one's gonna stop me now
Vasco DaGama	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:35:00 - [52] Jaabaa, Another usefull change could be to mention which skills have been started but were never completed, maybe with an extra color. Vasco DaGama It's a beautiful day The sun is shining I feel good And no-one, no-one's gonna stop me now
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:20:00 - [53] Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 16/12/2005 11:20:44 Originally by: Vasco DaGama Jaabaa Great tool indeed Thanks Originally by: Vasco DaGama A change request maybe: It would be nice that if u calculate how long it would take to train a skill, u would consider all pre-req skills too Like the tool tells me it would take me until 11-jan to go from mining barge 3 to 5. But it does not mention that it will take much longer since I do not have astrogeology 5 yet, I only have 4 That isn't a skill dependency but a ship type dependency, you don't have to have astrogeology 5 to train barge to level 5. Originally by: Vasco DaGama Could this funcationlity be added. Or maybe mention both number: How long it would take just for the skill to train, and alos with the dependent skills I'm planning a skill explorer tree view to do that sort of thing. ---------
Mudd Stuffin	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:50:00 - [54] This is a very handy tool. It let me see that it would actually be faster to train the willpower and perception learning skills to level 1 and then train frigate up a level, rather than just training frigate directly. Thanks for making it! It would be great if the tool showed the time it would take to train skills up to level 1 if you don't have the skill already, but meet the prereqs. Would it work to hand edit the xml so that my character has the skills I am interested in at level 0?
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:17:00 - [55] Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 16/12/2005 19:19:33 Laggy server dbl post ---------
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:17:00 - [56] Originally by: Mudd Stuffin It would be great if the tool showed the time it would take to train skills up to level 1 if you don't have the skill already, but meet the prereqs. Originally by: Jaabaa Prime I'm planning a skill explorer tree view to do that sort of thing. Originally by: Mudd Stuffin Would it work to hand edit the xml so that my character has the skills I am interested in at level 0? Yes, that's how I do it at the moment too ---------
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:24:00 - [57] UPDATE Added a tree view of all skills with the training times of the skills you already have to get them to the required level. At the moment it doesn't do the calculations for skills which you don't currently have, I'll do that another day. Enjoy ---------
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:25:00 - [58] I'd really like some feedback on the new feature , am I going in the right direction with this ? ---------
Roid Sucker	Posted - 2005.12.20 00:03:00 - [59] I haven't checked your new features, but I did download the program I think two or three days ago and noticed that you had the t2 barge skill listed wrong, instead of Elite Mining Barge it should be Exhumers. Other than that, wonderful tool! I'm going to download the updated version tonight with the skill explorer and give it a whirl! RS
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.20 01:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Roid Sucker I haven't checked your new features, but I did download the program I think two or three days ago and noticed that you had the t2 barge skill listed wrong, instead of Elite Mining Barge it should be Exhumers. Whoops, thanks. And it's fixed. I had also forgotten the "Command Ships" which is also in there now. Originally by: Roid Sucker Other than that, wonderful tool! Thanks :) Originally by: Roid Sucker I'm going to download the updated version tonight with the skill explorer and give it a whirl! I look forward to hearing what you think about the direction I'm going with it. ---------

Tropeza	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:03:00 - [61] Excellent tool, thanks man. The Skill Explorer is a neat addition. Being able to see what prerequisites I'm missing from certain skills really helps me plan my training.
Han Iolo	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:15:00 - [62] I agree with the above. I downloaded it yesterday, and I like how the skill explorer makes it apparent how much time it would take to get to a certain skill. Would it be possible to show a sum of all of the training times for the pre-requisites of a skill, if the skill is not yet learned? Just a total of the times needed to train the pre-requisites up to the minimum level needed to train the first level of the viewed skill. Anyway, it's not hard to get an idea of this duration just by looking at the underlying skills. Thanks for the program!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.22 00:31:00 - [63] I'm working on that Han Iolo, the problem is repeated pre-requisite skills requiring different levels for the target skill. I have to do two things to make that happen: 1) Remove multiple duplicate requirements 2) Take highest time if there are multiple duplicate requirements Then I can show the totals and start displaying the training times for other levels of skills that you don't yet have. As example, just say you want to get into a dread but only have spaceship command 4, it would then show how long with your current attributes it would take to train spaceship command to level 5, advanced spaceship command to level 5 and display that time beside capital ships. -- Mini Skill Planner
Ralys Lytus	Posted - 2005.12.22 21:25:00 - [64] Great Tool. I am a developer and I think it looks great keep up the good work.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.23 20:38:00 - [65] Thanks -- Mini Skill Planner
Jekia	Posted - 2005.12.24 04:20:00 - [66] Whoa! What a great tool! Helps a lot when planning ahead or if you have a lot of skills to sift thru to pick the best one to train. Skill explorer is very neat, helps when you are a having a shor-circuit in your head and keep forgetting reqs after playing eve 18hrs straight. :P One little hitch i have encountered is the "Mining Upgrades" skill. Says its not found in skills.xml Other than that it works like a charm Cheers!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.26 03:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Jekia One little hitch i have encountered is the "Mining Upgrades" skill. Says its not found in skills.xml Other than that it works like a charm Cheers! I) think the last time I mined, Noah was still a boy. I guess I missed this, could some kind soul please post the exact skill name and group (I assume Industry), primary and secondary attributes so that I can add this skill to the file Any other missing skills will also be added ASAP, so don't feel ashamed to post if you have something elite that isn't currently on the market. And a very merry christmas to you all -- Mini Skill Planner
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.30 16:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Jekia One little hitch i have encountered is the "Mining Upgrades" skill. Says its not found in skills.xml Fixed and updated, sorry about the delay. -- Mini Skill Planner
mingang	Posted - 2006.01.29 03:31:00 - [69] Edited by: mingang on 29/01/2006 03:31:59 skill "mining foreman" not found in skills.xml skill "exhumers" not found in skilss.xml otherwise neat program
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.01.29 09:05:00 - [70] Originally by: mingang skill "mining foreman" not found in skills.xml skill "exhumers" not found in skilss.xml Fixed, I also noticed that "Mining Director" was also missing. Originally by: mingang otherwise neat program Thanks -- Mini Skill Planner

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.02.02 16:24:00 - [71] Ugh, I forgot the carrier skills too, sorry 'bout that. Updated to fix this. -- Mini Skill Planner
G Dabak	Posted - 2006.02.04 00:48:00 - [72] Just posting to say that this is a great tool and I use it often. I prefer it to EVE Character Manager because of its simplicity. Oh and while I'm thinking about it, would it be possible to make the Open dialog's location default to the EVESkill directory? I like to keep all my EVE apps and stuff in one place and I have to navigate there every time I run it.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.02.04 02:07:00 - [73] Originally by: G Dabak Just posting to say that this is a great tool and I use it often. I prefer it to EVE Character Manager because of its simplicity. Thanks for the nice review Originally by: G Dabak Oh and while I'm thinking about it, would it be possible to make the Open dialog's location default to the EVESkill directory? I like to keep all my EVE apps and stuff in one place and I have to navigate there every time I run it. It defaults to your home directory, but I can easily add something that remembers the last directory you opened. I'll look into it. -- Mini Skill Planner
bumcheekcity	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:11:00 - [74] If I may be so bold, I suggest a little change for the Skill Explorer Section. Black: Skills you have now, in your head. Green: Skills you could train right now, in that you have all the pre-requisites. Yellow: Skills for which you dont have the prerequisites at the level they are needed, but you have them [all] in your head. Red: Skills for which you dont have some or all of the the prerequisites, at all. Fantastic program though, no bones about it :D -- bumcheekcity
DeMiNe0	Posted - 2006.02.07 09:10:00 - [75] jaabaa, can i get your e-mail? I have an offer for you.
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.02.07 09:21:00 - [76] Tried it, seems nice, but the table at the top is borked. Anyone else notice this? -- My drones are about as smart as a smartbomb.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.02.08 13:59:00 - [77] Originally by: DeMiNe0 jaabaa, can i get your e-mail? I have an offer for you. EVEMail me in game -- Mini Skill Planner
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.02.08 14:01:00 - [78] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Tried it, seems nice, but the table at the top is borked. Anyone else notice this? The only time the top area is bjorked is hen you have +5 implants because for some reason they are not included in the XML data that CCP provides. Well at least they weren't a month ago. If something else is broken, how about explaining what you mean. -- Mini Skill Planner
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.02.08 18:45:00 - [79] Jaabaa, check your evemail. -- My drones are about as smart as a smartbomb.
Active1313	Posted - 2006.02.08 20:15:00 - [80] Very nice tool being a new player I'm looking for all the resources I can use to plan things out offline as well. One thing to point out though, it is missing one of the new Trading Skills "Black Market Trading"

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.13 11:33:00 - [81] Minor update. Added: Black Market Trading Sorry about the delay, I didn't notice this post. -- Mini Skill Planner
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:36:00 - [82] the file you say to run is just a winrar file... the exe don't do anything. PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh! Me Need Sig..
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.13 15:21:00 - [83] Originally by: Lori Carlyle the file you say to run is just a winrar file... the exe don't do anything. You have to install Java Run Time Edition to use it (link at the bottom of 1st post) then you should see it's type change to "Executable Jar File" (JAR = Java ARchive). -- Mini Skill Planner
Vahlan	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:54:00 - [84] Awesome program, can't express how useful it has been! One bug though, Assault Ships is a Rank 4 skill, but in your "skills" file it shows up as a Rank 6 skill (and when the program calculates it). Any chance of seeing some "+" and "-" buttons for attributes, to see what that better implant or higher level of attribute skill will do? I realize all the stuff would have to be recalculated after that, but it would be really nifty.
Barbicane	Posted - 2006.03.14 06:35:00 - [85] I get error popups reporting that Advanced Mass Production and Advanced Laboratory Operation are not in the database. Looks great otherwise!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Vahlan Awesome program, can't express how useful it has been! Glad you like it Originally by: Vahlan One bug though, Assault Ships is a Rank 4 skill, but in your "skills" file it shows up as a Rank 6 skill (and when the program calculates it). Fixed. Originally by: Vahlan Any chance of seeing some "+" and "-" buttons for attributes, to see what that better implant or higher level of attribute skill will do? I realize all the stuff would have to be recalculated after that, but it would be really nifty. I'll look into this. Originally by: Barbicane I get error popups reporting that Advanced Mass Production and Advanced Laboratory Operation are not in the database. Looks great otherwise! Added. -- Mini Skill Planner
Barbicane	Posted - 2006.03.18 15:02:00 - [87] The download link doesn't work anymore The .zip file has been replaced with an image saying it doesn't meet eve-files.com hosting terms. (it took me some time to figure out it was actually a Jpeg and not a Zip file I downloaded )
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.18 23:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Barbicane The download link doesn't work anymore The .zip file has been replaced with an image saying it doesn't meet eve-files.com hosting terms. (it took me some time to figure out it was actually a Jpeg and not a Zip file I downloaded ) I've EVE-Mailed Chribba about this. I've uploaded it again at http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/DAW/eveskill(1).zip Hopefully this will get sorted out soon. -- Mini Skill Planner
Sikakuhc	Posted - 2006.03.18 23:53:00 - [89] ERROR 404! The wormhole you tried to discover could not be found. Please warp away and try again.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.19 00:01:00 - [90] God damn it ... Search for it in http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/DAW/ Sorry about this -- Mini Skill Planner


Chribba	Posted - 2006.03.19 00:18:00 - [91] Teh clickable linky -> http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/DAW/eveskill(1).zip EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.19 00:35:00 - [92] Originally by: Chribba Teh clickable linky -> http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/DAW/eveskill(1).zip The original link has also been restored by Chribba, thanks -- Mini Skill Planner
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:59:00 - [93] I've updated the skills file to include all the skills that are in the database, even the ones that aren't published yet so you'll have to take those values with a pinch of salt. You can see them in the skill explorer. The only ones that aren't in there are the skills that need "Polaris". It's all generated straight from t20's export now where as before I was manually maintaining it, so hopefully I didn't mess up somewhere. -- Mini Skill Planner
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.04.08 01:47:00 - [94] Do people use this or can I delete it and forget about maintaining it ? -- Mini Skill Planner
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.04.08 01:57:00 - [95] I like it, thanks for making it. -- ISSN's ISK sink
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.04.20 17:44:00 - [96] Bump for an amazing program I find it much more user friendly than any of the others, especially the excel spreadsheets. The only feature request I have is to maybe let the user change see what training times would be with a different set of implants E.G. I have a set of +1s and would like to see what difference in training time a set of +3s would give me All in all an incredible program :) I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool This sig is yellow - Ductoris
DrakeStone	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:35:00 - [97] Awesome program man. I just got it and love it! Good work!
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:29:00 - [98] Nice tool. Would it be possible to get the source code of this? Probably not, I guess. But I would really like to see how much effort it would be to port it to a J2ME compliant application (in order to run it on my mobile phone). Maybe you can contact me ingame Jaabaa?
Sybylle	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:35:00 - [99] This is a very helpfull application. It covers my needs perfectly :) GJ Jaabaa ! /me forward the link to its corpmates Site ICEÖ since 911301 AD
Princess Ferrari	Posted - 2006.04.21 18:57:00 - [100] This program is great, please dont stop updating it. i agree with the request to be able to see how a different implant would affect the training time....please implement this if it is possible. Thanks, Jerius omus

Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.04.23 18:31:00 - [101] I only started looking at J2ME today, but I've been wanting to do this for ages. Here's the first bit of the development: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/DAW/MobileSkills.zip It is currently only a skill information system where you can see the skill groups and various details about the skills. I'll be adding character management in the near future allowing you to add characters and define their skills and attributes. Let me know what you think -- Mini Skill Planner
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.04.24 09:41:00 - [102] Not bad for the first bit. But I'd recommend to use a IMPLICIT list, instead of the EXCLUSIVE one. And then set your "show" command as default command for the list (using 'setSelectCommand' method). Also, it should be possible to re-use some parts of your skill planner. The JSR172 provides an XML parser and with JSR75 FileConnection you can access files from the phone file system. (At least these things work on the mobiles phones from this small finnish manufacturer...)
Renitent 1	Posted - 2006.05.01 19:12:00 - [103] JB, Just found out about this Tool of yours. My first DL was this am. Wonderful tool. I will have some feedback soon. I have the same request someone else made a while back: Have the program remember where you last loaded the .XML file(s). I have multiple Chars and would really appreciate this feature. Like MRUD - last 1-9 files you loaded. Thanks again! Thanks again for a great Program
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.05.01 20:15:00 - [104] It is easy thing to add a bit of code to remember the last directory. I'll look into it. -- Mini Skill Planner
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.05.02 15:32:00 - [105] I have checked the newest build of your MobileSkills application, but somehow I am not sure if it works correct on my emulator (WTK2.2). But a nice animation in the startup. One small comment so far: If you want to use a Canvas instead of Lists or Forms, I would propose to set it to full screen (Canvas.setFullScreenMode(true)). Otherwise you loose a lot of space on the display. By the way, I guess there is still no chance to get hold of the source code of the original Jaabaa's Mini Skill Planner?
Aion Gerge	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:03:00 - [106] Okey i don get it, why dont you just go and look att your skills on the website? Thats all you do with this program anyway. Or is there some hidden function i have yet to find
Jerius Omus	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:54:00 - [107] Show me how the web page shows time to complete you next level of skill? ..it dont!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.06.01 23:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Renitent 1 I have the same request someone else made a while back: Have the program remember where you last loaded the .XML file(s). I have multiple Chars and would really appreciate this feature. Like MRUD - last 1-9 files you loaded. Updated, it now remembers where you last loaded you character files from. -- Mini Skill Planner
Flo Unda	Posted - 2006.06.07 09:26:00 - [109] Looking at covert ops and assualt ships, they do not list frig 5 as being a requirement. Not sure if that is missing from anything else cause I'm not sure what else it is a requirement for. Great program though, I've been using it since I started Eve. Helps keep me on track :)
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:44:00 - [110] That's because those skills don't required frigate 5 to train. The frigate skill is a racially typed skill and is required for the various ship types in these categories. -- Mini Skill Planner

Shajra K'han Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:20:00 - [111] my implants are not beeing showed, any idea's?
Niatha Moraven	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:39:00 - [112] F:\EVE>EveSkills.cmd char.xml > test.html Skill "Engineering" not found in tree Skill "Gunnery" not found in tree Skill "Small Hybrid Turret" not found in tree Skill "Mining" not found in tree Skill "Leadership" not found in tree Skill "Analytical Mind" not found in tree Skill "Instant Recall" not found in tree Skill "Iron Will" not found in tree Skill "Learning" not found in tree Skill "Cybernetics" not found in tree Skill "Research" not found in tree Skill "Science" not found in tree Skill "Caldari Frigate" not found in tree Skill "Caldari Industrial" not found in tree Skill "Spaceship Command" not found in tree WTF??... same thing using eveskill.jar
Muuhah New Dawn Corporation Freelance Blood Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 03:32:00 - [113] Will there be any updates ? Latest patch has some new skills and different attrib precedence now. Cheers m8. I like this little nifty utility very much.
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:37:00 - [114] I will get an update out with the new revelations skills out this weekend. -- Mini Skill Planner
Coldplazma Freelancers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:14:00 - [115] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime I will get an update out with the new revelations skills out this weekend. Nice, looking forward to it. (signature) In deep space I have seen many worlds collide and die. In this song of chaos I have dreamed of worlds reborn. To this birth of new things and new beginnings are drawn forth those of kindred mind and soul. Thus we meet in the depths of space we who are members of Rohin Corp.
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:52:00 - [116] application error when trying to install it :(
Martian Manhunter	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:27:00 - [117] 404'd!
Saturnine Morrowind Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:01:00 - [118] bump the zip file is corrupted. pls re upload it. this tool is very usefull thx
ZeeWolf Asguard Security Service Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:14:00 - [119] woah! Necro-city!


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