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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Par''Gellen on 24/09/2005 13:34:41
I play multiple accounts at once on the same PC and alt-tab between them. I place all of them in a gang so I can warp them around easily. I've been doing this since release and have never had a problem. This is not against any rules and in fact there is a post by a dev somewhere on these boards that explains how to do it.
For some reason within the past two days I've been reported as a macro miner twice. Obviously I can't go into any details due to the rules regarding player/GM interaction but I can give you some tips as to what to look for if you are "macro hunting".
1. Macros don't usually use barges in .8 or lower space. One multi-NPC rat spawn and they would be toast. Even a Covetor can't tank two or three newbie NPC's and you would need one hell of a complicated macro to make it defend itself.
2. Macros don't try to talk to you in local (which I did both times) when you fly your ship near them and just sit there looking suspicious. Pay attention please...
3. Macros don't usually lock your ship and launch all their drones in an effort to get your attention (which I did both times). Hello?
4. Macros don't usually fly around and loot NPC cans (which I did both times). Again, pay attention...
Any questions?
Edit: Added the word "usually" to 3 and 4. 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/09/2005 13:31:44
In the end a lot of people are just plain stupid.
Ps: Petition them for falsly accusing you of performing a bannable offense
Edit: Macros can actually perform point 3 and 4 btw.
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Darquies Shade
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:33:00 -
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Well i have no word on subject, since i'm too newb to be able to spot macro, but Par'gellen. . . Like your sig man 
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Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:17:00 -
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I'd say its probably buisness competitors of yours that want to get rid of you. Lame.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Darquies Shade
Well i have no word on subject, since i'm too newb to be able to spot macro, but Par'gellen. . . Like your sig man
Thanks 
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:41:00 -
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It shouldnt be a problem should it?
GM's just show up and say Hi to you, and if you say Hi back they leave you alone right?
Thats what they did with macro'ers in UO anyway.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe
It shouldnt be a problem should it?
GM's just show up and say Hi to you, and if you say Hi back they leave you alone right?
Thats what they did with macro'ers in UO anyway.
Yeah but it's a pain and a waste of time for the GM's when it could have all been avoided by someone simply looking in local before getting all petition happy.
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:56:00 -
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Youd be suprised how advanced macros can get... 
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
Youd be suprised how advanced macros can get...
my macro's make me coffee and rub my feet.
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Gazzen Krell
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
Youd be suprised how advanced macros can get...
Hehe yeah but can they carry on a conversation with you?
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WulfWestphal
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gazzen Krell
Originally by: Tekka
Youd be suprised how advanced macros can get...
Hehe yeah but can they carry on a conversation with you?
"Eliza" can :)
anyway, as bad as macromining is, its no excuse for witchhunting. IMHO
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:49:00 -
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yeah they can ;p
but after a few lines it gets pretty obvious that theyre a bot...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:52:00 -
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ways of telling a macro
get a bunch of ppl with low sec ratings (so they look yellow and scary) to lock and orbit their barges in kestrels.
if they dnt react after a while (many ppl are altabbed out while mining), they are probably macros
convo them. macros almost always have autoreject on. if they don't, and dnt respond for a while, theyre probably a macro
bump em out of range of the field (bumpageddon is a good choice) and leave em there. if they just sit there dumbly with their mining lasers off, theyre a macro miner.
finally, if u report a false positive or 2, it ent the end of the world, unless a dumb GM bans them without checkin well enough
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Kristoffer
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 24/09/2005 16:06:22
Heh, Ive seen macroers who fire at NPCs and even say "I no understand English" even though I and my m8s tried French, German, and Russian attempting to talk to him. =p
They do get pretty advanced
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Virida
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:19:00 -
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err, yea, make an program who taps into eve client, reads data and makes pathfinding between goal objects, and react to speach (maybe eliza ), and evaluates risk, and decide to attack, flee and can start on new again in other asteroid field. yea.
An macrominer doing that shouldnt be banned, he should be hired. lool. 
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
1. Macros don't usually use barges in .8 or lower space. One multi-NPC rat spawn and they would be toast. Even a Covetor can't tank two or three newbie NPC's and you would need one hell of a complicated macro to make it defend itself.
actuily thats wrong
Ive seen a macro where when the macro detects a rat, it causes a thorax to warp in and kill them.. and the mining barge was in 0.7 and tanked them quite well anyway.
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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:24:00 -
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Most of the time it's lame, if I am Ice mining with another char, I tend to walk away for about 7min and do other things. I will also run another account to haul for the miner, but again, I am AFK for a bit. Nothing worse than sitting in front of your screen Ice mining for a POS, and doing nothing. I will surf the net, read a book, browse the forums etc. Right now I am warping 16 jumps moving fuel, but again, not watching the screen due to the boredom it contains :)
Another thing, I know people share accounts as well, so mining for a Corp can be done around the clock basicly. I even log in as friends to set new skills for them if they go away for a week or two and don't have access to the net or a EVE client. Of course, people might think this is a bad thing, but unless there is an option to stack skills, what are you going to do :)
Trust is missing from the game, it's sorely needed and a lot of people of course will use Macro's, which is disgusting. So unless the GM's can hunt them all down, it's going to continue and people who are not using Macro's, will get accused if they don't reply to some lame arse just in from the world can feel rightous.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:45:00 -
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Ok ok. There are exceptions. That is why I used the word "usually". However, after attenpting to engage the reporters in conversation in local only to be ignored is just wrong.
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D'hara
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: D''hara on 24/09/2005 16:56:30
I can tell right away that your not a macrominer... Your in a player created corp, macrominers are not, due to the fact that they cant be war-decced in npc corps.
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Heritor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Heritor on 24/09/2005 17:43:39
I get accussed by fellow players of buying my items through dubious means 
Where this comes from I dont know
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: D'hara
Edited by: D''hara on 24/09/2005 16:56:30
I can tell right away that your not a macrominer... Your in a player created corp, macrominers are not, due to the fact that they cant be war-decced in npc corps.
That's a very good point and one I didn't think of in my original list.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.09.24 18:28:00 -
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It doesn't really matter what you are, if you just mine with multiple accounts you're either hopelessly mistaken about the point of playing a *multiplayer* game or you sell items on E-bay...
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WulfWestphal
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Posted - 2005.09.24 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
It doesn't really matter what you are, if you just mine with multiple accounts you're either hopelessly mistaken about the point of playing a *multiplayer* game or you sell items on E-bay...
woohoo. you, my friend, are funny.
there are quite a lot players that have multiple accounts for mining (limited usefull in fights) and dont sell on ebay. and these players are in playercorps and socially active.
only 'cause you dont use multiple accounts doesnt mean these people are doing something wrong. think about it...
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Psychopat
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Posted - 2005.09.24 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Psychopat on 24/09/2005 18:53:42
Originally by: Heritor
Edited by: Heritor on 24/09/2005 17:43:39
I get accussed by fellow players of buying my items through dubious means
Where this comes from I dont know
I would comment but i might get "GAGGED" Again for 3 1/2
minutes
Ohhh yeah you still smell like a dead CAT.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.09.24 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: WulfWestphal
there are quite a lot players that have multiple accounts for mining (limited usefull in fights) and dont sell on ebay. and these players are in playercorps and socially active.
only 'cause you dont use multiple accounts doesnt mean these people are doing something wrong. think about it...
Just because lots of people do it doesn't mean that those people aren't doing something wrong.
I personally don't really care how someone wastes their money, but once you start paying extra money just so you can make more money in a game by replacing other players (The main reason for playing a multplayer game) with your own accounts you're just out of touch with the real world in a sad and disturbing way...
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.09.24 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Originally by: WulfWestphal
there are quite a lot players that have multiple accounts for mining (limited usefull in fights) and dont sell on ebay. and these players are in playercorps and socially active.
only 'cause you dont use multiple accounts doesnt mean these people are doing something wrong. think about it...
Just because lots of people do it doesn't mean that those people aren't doing something wrong.
I personally don't really care how someone wastes their money, but once you start paying extra money just so you can make more money in a game by replacing other players (The main reason for playing a multplayer game) with your own accounts you're just out of touch with the real world in a sad and disturbing way...
And you making a social commentary on the psyche of people with more than one account, is somehow supposed to be normal? Please stop whinign if you can't afford more than one account instead of accusing people of being social rejects if they have more than on account. I have lots of accounts because I want to havelots of accounts, I want to be in various factions, I want to do various things..etc. I am very social ingame and out.
You have serious problems. Suggest you get help soon. Can't belive you think you're an MMO Pshrink.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.09.24 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Just because lots of people do it doesn't mean that those people aren't doing something wrong.
I personally don't really care how someone wastes their money, but once you start paying extra money just so you can make more money in a game by replacing other players (The main reason for playing a multplayer game) with your own accounts you're just out of touch with the real world in a sad and disturbing way...
I never said I wasn't "out of touch with the real world in a sad and disturbing way". That's not the issue. LOL!
The GM's that contacted me told me I was doing nothing wrong and they appoligized for bothering me. They were very polite and extremely professional. And if you don't care how I "waste" my money then why did you bother replying to the post at all?
Oh and by the way, I never have and never will sell anything on eBay.
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Cargo Hustler
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Posted - 2005.09.24 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
I personally don't really care how someone wastes their money, but once you start paying extra money just so you can make more money in a game by replacing other players (The main reason for playing a multplayer game) with your own accounts you're just out of touch with the real world in a sad and disturbing way...
I play multiple accounts because i can afford to do so, (on account of being successfull in the real world), I socialise there too, which to a degree limits my motivation for socialising in an MMO, a wise man once said "there is only enough time for so many friends".
So should people think that miners with multiple accounts have it too easy, they can rest assured that professional ore looters such myself, and my associates SideShow, Phat ManDo and Roid Janitor, well we are on multiple accounts too, and more than capable of looting whatever they jettison into space =)
So fear not Noriath, for i shall make a date to come and socialise with your ore, as i loot it from your jetcan... we see which of us is sad and disturbed then ^^
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.09.24 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 24/09/2005 20:40:56
Originally by: Darken Two
Please stop whinign if you can't afford more than one account instead of accusing people of being social rejects if they have more than on account.
lol... Now how many accounts you have in Eve is an indicator of your social status IRL. This is even more pathetic then I thought.
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Clutch Cargo
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:00:00 -
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I think all this misses the point.
Macroers will ruin the game...period. I am not talking about "Joe Everyday Player" who might use a macro while he reads; I am talking about professional sweatshop macroers. This is becoming a huge problem in the game. If you want to see the degree to which it is, go to any noob system or outlaying .9 or .8, you will dozens of them. Sometimes similar names, sometimes not, all created within minutes of each other, grinding away in the belts. It is becoming a huge problem.
I will turn macroers in all day long. It's all about time and money...mine. I have invested a bit of both in this game and I don't intend on letting people hell bent on ruining my experience get away with it. So if I suspect a macroer, I do several things from checking birth dates to bumping to contacting them. If I suspect them, I turn them in, I figure the GM's could sort out any mistakes I might make.
Yea I heard in other posts that I need to "grow up" and that I think I'm a "hero" and all that. The fact is that I pay for this and I'm not going to sit back and let someone mess it up for me. Just like in RL, if I suspect something sinister is going on, I call the cops, if it turns out to be nothing...cool, if it was a crime taking place I just saved someone.
Seems to me everything worked out ok for you. You got reported for something you are not guilty of, nothing more happened. Had you been a real macroer though, the people that turned you in might have been responsible for removing a detrimental element from the game.
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