As of now, sec status is identical to CONCORD standing. CONCORD does have sov in some systems in HiSec.
If someone with deep red sec status jumps into such a system he is trapped.

So now there will be very little effort required to remove neg sec, which in return would make sec status pointless. Might as well just remove it.

I'm against this for a simple reason that this brings another variable into the game that has very little to do with the game itself: personal wealth.

Suppose I am a rich high-sec suicide ganker: all I need to do is: gank, then buy a few plex, buy tags, repair sec status, and gank again. The only variable for me is my personal wealth in real life. Ergo, I pay to circumvent any negative penalties for my actions in high-sec.

This should never happen in a game. Also think about the opportunities for groups like the Goons. They are one of the wealthiest alliances in the game. This would allow them to maintain ganking targets in high-sec for as long as their alliance can financially support them.

The problem with what you created is that this has dire consequences if used by groups such as Goonswarm. A Burn Jita lasts 4 days now, and in that time, they can do a serious amount of damage and they're entitled to the fun they have during that period. However, with this new system in place, the time for a Burn Jita stranglehold could potentially increase from a few days (generally a long weekend) to a week, possibly weeks or even a month? Please bear in mind that if a major trade-hub like Jita is affected for several weeks, the EVE economy which is fueled by systems such as Jita is severely hindered or simply comes to a standstill. And all that because of say 200-250 individuals capable of continuing their gankfest due to a very healthy and wealthy alliance supporting them.

I understand the desire for tags for sec rating to be present, but this only favors the wealthy gamer. As such, the system is flawed and should never be released into the game. But hey, CCP sees that they can make more money with this, so I can guarantee you it will be shipped into Odyssey, no matter what we say.

You're completely ignoring the flip side of the equasion - people who would pvp in lowsec occasinally but hate the harsh sec status losses and /or dont have the opportunities to grind sec back up. Tags 4 sec means these guys can go get their pvp fix and have a relatively easy way of being able to carry on their normal activities once they've finished sploding dudes. Hence we get more players in lowsec, which is a good thing for everyone who lives there.

Focussing only on the ganking side is also ignoring the fact that nine out of ten gankers dont give two ***** about sec status anyway so CCP may as well cater to those to whom the system actually matters first and foremost.

Grinding isn't removed. You'll just be able to have someone else do it for you.

So essentially certain players will be able to pay CCP and get rid of the consequences of their actions against other players.

No.

What worries me about this new Tags4Sec system is that it essentially removes consequences in a Pay2Win kind of way.

Simple example:

Bob pays $15 a month for EVE (bare-bones sub). Bob does some bad things, tanks his sec status. He now faces 40 hrs of grind to recover his sec status. But because Bob has wife, kids, mortgage and health problems, he can only afford $15/mo on EVE.

Tim pays $115 a month for EVE (sub + 5x PLEX, which translates into say 2.5 billion ISK). Tim does the same bad things, alongside with bob, and tanks his sec status in an identical way. Tim forks over a billion or two ISK for some tags (farmed by semi-bot and/or multi-boxers in 2nd and 3rd world countries who need to make ISK for PLEX to be able to afford to keep playing) and recovers instantly. He can do this several times a month. As such, for him, the consequences of a sec status loss are meaningless.

With these changes, CCP might as well just remove the security status of each player altogether. Wealthy players will just buy their way out of trouble, something poorer players (either ISK-wise or real-life) will be unable to do. Pay2Win at its finest.

1. Lose sec status, suffer consequences
2. Buy PLEX
3. Sell PLEX for ISK
4. Buy tags with ISK
5. Buy sec status with tags, get rid of consequences
6. Back to 1

The tag system does not remove any grinding or give people anything for free.

All it does is decouple it from a specific time and place. You can now grind before you lose sec, or you can outsource it GÇö the grinding still has to be done to get the sec status back, and they'll probably try to balance it to be the same amount as before.

No amount of money will help you get your sec status back up unless someone has done that grind. Nothing is suddenly being generated out of nowhere.

But CCP has got a solid business case for it as those tags translate into commodity PLEXes for them, and commodity PLEXes are the cheapest way to monetarize content. It's very cunning.

PS: also they're nerfing the gain of security status through gameplay. Very cunning.

Yes, it has to be acquired first, but the major issue is that these tags are not "soulbound" or "bind-on-pickup". Ergo this means that players will find them and decide to put them on the market instead. And then we come to the major flaw in the system. Because these tags will be available on the market, this means that players that have not done any grinding of sec whatsoever, can avoid any penalty in relation to sec status.

Oh, and the italicised part is 100% untrue. The penalty is still there and it must be paid. You're just given a choice how to pay it; you choose what kind of penalty you want to suffer. They've simply changed from a choice between GÇ£time (grinding rats) or outlaw statusGÇ¥, to a choice between GÇ£time (grinding tags), time (grinding ISK), time (given to another player so they can grind), or outlaw statusGÇ¥.

1. Lose sec status, suffer consequences
2. Buy PLEX
3. Sell PLEX for ISK
4. Buy tags with ISK
5. Buy sec status with tags, get rid of consequences
6. Back to 1

Yes.

I've edited my post and clarified the argument. My point remains valid, please read it again and you'll understand better (hopefully).

I understood it perfectly the first time, and it remains as incorrect as it was then.

The penalty must still be paid. No ifs, no buts, no escape. Setting a market price to sec status is not a flaw GÇö it's a solution (and very much in line with EVE's overall design).

Using price as a metric of balance will only fail. In the same way supers where said to be scarce due to the exorbitant price, though the NC War and current use begs the differ. Grinding at least acted as a punishment for going blinky, however now with how easy isk is to acquire, it will no longer be much of a deterrent.

I understood it perfectly the first time, and it remains as incorrect as it was then.

The penalty must still be paid. No ifs, no buts, no escape. Setting a market price to sec status is not a flaw GÇö it's a solution (and very much in line with EVE's overall design).

What worries me about this new Tags4Sec system is that it essentially removes consequences in a Pay2Win kind of way.

Simple example:

Bob pays $15 a month for EVE (bare-bones sub). Bob does some bad things, tanks his sec status. He now faces 40 hrs of grind to recover his sec status. But because Bob has wife, kids, mortgage and health problems, he can only afford $15/mo on EVE.

Tim pays $115 a month for EVE (sub + 5x PLEX, which translates into say 2.5 billion ISK). Tim does the same bad things, alongside with bob, and tanks his sec status in an identical way. Tim forks over a billion or two ISK for some tags (farmed by semi-bot and/or multi-boxers in 2nd and 3rd world countries who need to make ISK for PLEX to be able to afford to keep playing) and recovers instantly. He can do this several times a month. As such, for him, the consequences of a sec status loss are meaningless.

With these changes, CCP might as well just remove the security status of each player altogether. Wealthy players will just buy their way out of trouble, something poorer players (either ISK-wise or real-life) will be unable to do. Pay2Win at its finest.

And here was I hopeing you would understand it.

Now the consequence of that is that this player no longer needs to devote time to get his status back.

What part of this model in which the only variable is real life money don't you understand? This player can gank all year long if he chooses to spend thousands of dollars. And he never has to grind any sec rating. He circumvents any penalty of time being needed to improve sec status.

instead, he has to devote time to get his ISK up to get his status back.

Yes, but he can also choose to avoid any time requirement by simply buying plex from CCP and covert that into ISK. What part of this do you not understand?

Players should never ever be powerful just because they have the ability (and stupidity) to buy their way to greatness due to a very healthy bank account.

No penalties are being circumvented. Alternatively, by your logic, all penalties are already being circumvented, so this addition makes no difference whatsoever.
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