Hell CCP why bother with tags. Why not allow your friendly CONCORD office the ability to accept 'donations' (we won't call them bribes will we). People will still have to find ISK, for that there's the usual grind or the plex solution.

You'll make more real money and the players won't have to go through the artifical task of collecting tags (or killing beasts or finding gems) as this has already been shown by most MMOs to be one thing which sends players away in droves.

Accepting 'donations' would also take a lot less coding and you wouldn't have to worry about creating a sway of new item graphics and interactions. So it would be an economic choice.

Who really cares if this makes a complete mockery of the division between pirates and carebears. With the right greasing of palms the worst pirate on EVE can become as loveable as a 'good luck bear'. Where's the roleplay in that? What's so momumental about the decision to forsake the comfort of hi-sec and ply the criminal code when you can take your ill-begotten earning and grease your way back into society.

I would like to see the turncoats who accept the CONCORD 'pardon' marked (permanently surround their names in trainer yellow sounds appropriate) so their shame would be obvious to everyone.

Isn't it time you also changed the CONCORD insignia to the skull and crossbones

Yet another free pass for gankers with a fist full of cash.

A FREE pass is exactly what it is NOT. They'll need a fist full of cash (ISK, presumably), afterall. Even if they get that cash by selling a PLEX that they bought with out-of-game currency, it is another capsuleer providing them with the ISK. This system of sec status for tags, as it is described, is just another way for different types of players to collaborate. If you have a problem with some ganker trading you ISK for security status, then you must also have a problem with some ganker trading you gametime for ISK, or trading you deadspace modules for ISK, or trading you ISK for ammo/ships, or trading you faction battleship BPCs for ISK, etc., etc., etc. It's just another way for people who don't like certain activities in the game to collaborate with people who are more willing to engage in those activities, provided there is an incentive. Some people don't want to mine. Some people don't want to shoot red crosses. Some people don't want to haul massive cargos long distances for little profit. Some people don't want to go through the tremendous effort of securing technetium moons in null security space. If we couldn't all trade with eachother, you'd have go mine those high end ores or run those DED 8/10's or whatever it is that YOU don't like to do in the game.

Ultimately, if you don't want gankers, pirates, space-terrorists, etc. to be able to buy security status, don't sell it to them. You could go even further by heading out to low sec to disrupt their tag-farming operations. But, I think that's where the real problem is . . . you don't want to have to interact with all the other parts of this system that we call EVE Online. If you did that, you might have to wonder what the actual difference is between you and a "pirate".

Now lets be realistic here. For one Low sec systems are going to be over whelmed with PVP and Null alliances chasing these tags. There will be almost no chance in hell your average corp/solo player will even have a shot at these tags. All CCP has done is added another ISK faucet to the people with the most ships and biggest guns. And to top it off now they will be fueling there ganking Hi sec fleets with these tags allowing even more of it to happen. The government (CCP) isn't out for the little guy here. Its just another way to fill Null bear pockets under the guise of "More to do in low sec"

A FREE pass is exactly what it is NOT. They'll need a fist full of cash (ISK, presumably), afterall. Even if they get that cash by selling a PLEX that they bought with out-of-game currency, it is another capsuleer providing them with the ISK. This system of sec status for tags, as it is described, is just another way for different types of players to collaborate. If you have a problem with some ganker trading you ISK for security status, then you must also have a problem with some ganker trading you gametime for ISK, or trading you deadspace modules for ISK, or trading you ISK for ammo/ships, or trading you faction battleship BPCs for ISK, etc., etc., etc. It's just another way for people who don't like certain activities in the game to collaborate with people who are more willing to engage in those activities, provided there is an incentive. Some people don't want to mine. Some people don't want to shoot red crosses. Some people don't want to haul massive cargos long distances for little profit. Some people don't want to go through the tremendous effort of securing technetium moons in null security space. If we couldn't all trade with eachother, you'd have go mine those high end ores or run those DED 8/10's or whatever it is that YOU don't like to do in the game.

Ultimately, if you don't want gankers, pirates, space-terrorists, etc. to be able to buy security status, don't sell it to them. You could go even further by heading out to low sec to disrupt their tag-farming operations. But, I think that's where the real problem is . . . you don't want to have to interact with all the other parts of this system that we call EVE Online. If you did that, you might have to wonder what the actual difference is between you and a "pirate".

The tag spawn rate actually places a limit on the number of people who can (on average) raise their sec status per day. More people wanting to drives the price up, less drives it down. It's kinda elegant, actually.

Hmmm, I'd be very surprised if it goes the way you predict. Let's consider it rationally:
- We don't know whether the -5.0 sec status change will go through, so I'm going to assume the continuance of the -2.5 -> -4.5 gradience.
- The people who are most interested in these tags are professional gankers and ultra casual PVPers that live in high sec
- The spawn rate will be somewhere between faction spawns and normal rats. The spawn rate will be tweaked to allow for more or less people back into high sec. The rate at which they said tags should drop should be roughly equivalent to grinding your sec up in null sec instead of low sec. So, not very common at all.
- Setting the spawn rate too high will mean there's little impetus to farm tags because incidental farming will satisfy the demand. Setting it too low will make the tags extremely lucrative (but rare).
- The bulk of low sec is in Aridia/Solitude/Genesis. These areas are already heavily beared up by people with existing logistics chains. Plexing, anoms, and low sec missions are all already heavily farmed.

My predictions:
- Most tag farming will happen in Aridia/Solitude/Genesis
- There will be virtually no tag farming in FW space
- Most tags will be sold in Jita and other trade hubs
- Concord stations will be populated with tags at 30-50% markup over Jita
- Spawn rates will be low and the prices will be high.
- Null corps and alliances will not farm tags because tag spawns don't scale as well as farming rats in vast swaths of null sec.

-Liang

Trade is collaboration because it allows more than either of you could do individually.

-Liang

I go to the store and buy a six pack of beer. No collaboration involved.

Collaboration means the benefit of both parites are concered by both parties.

That's normally called GÇ£robberyGÇ¥ not GÇ£buyingGÇ¥.

He gets money; you get goods; both parties benefit. Seems pretty darn collaborative.

If I do something but not for the sake of doing it for someone else but out of self interest, I am not collaborating.

If I do something but not for the sake of doing it for someone else but out of self interest, I am not collaborating.

Either way look at these two dictionary articles and tell me if they reference each other:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trade

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collaborate

Fine. Don't believe the dictionary.

Notice how collaboration isn't mentioned on the trade article. They aen't mutually to each other.

Collaboration can involve trade

You can continue to believe collaboration involves all trade.

Who said it did?

Well the rats will be more common than faction rats. It sounds interesting at least and anything that isn't FW farming is good. At least if these farmers try to travel around stabbed and cloaked there are ways to grab them and take the tags that fall out.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/

wait.
can you still rat for sec status if you want????

Yet another free pass for gankers with a fist full of cash.... Eve is suppose to be a realistic sand box yet now unlike the real world you can murder and commit crime and all you need is some cash to get you off free and clear.... Don't do the crime if you cant do the time so to speak.

Not sure were this would go so i am putting it as a discussion topic.

I just watch the Tags4sec/crime watch part of the stream and I have to say I liked most of it. But like always everyone has an idea that is different than the Devs, and so do I.

The tags are cool and I really like it, but the 4,6,6,4 I think is not the best idea. I like the 4 to get from -10:-8, and the 6 from -5:-2, and the 4 from -2:-0. The part I donGÇÖt fully agree with is the 6 to get from -8:-5. I personally think that it should be one step harder to get into .8:1.0 space again.

After you get past -5 on your way down you can no longer go into some parts of high sec. from -5 up it is just cosmetic fixing. It should be harder and cost more for people buying the tags to get from -8:-5, and take more time to find the tags over all. Most pirates wonGÇÖt even bother going past the -5:-2 anyways. This will also make it so new players are not going to be as easily hit by players that are known to suicide gank in the upper systems.

This is just my thoughts about that system. Overall I really do like it.

What was your take?