pyrox provides laughably low volumes of nocxium

40% of what Hemorphite provides is not laughably low.

of the 6 nocxium giving ores, pyrox is 5th. it's hardly a "good" source of nocxium.

How it ranks in a lineup is an unnecessary point; what matters is how much it gives. And for a highsec ore, it gives too much. I guarantee you that more than half of the nocxium that comes from mining comes from Pyroxeres. That's because the vast majority of mining takes place in highsec.

I bet the price of tritanium doesn't deviate far from its year long averages. Maybe the steady increase we have seen starts to taper off.

It's not that we sit around doing nothing, it's that low sec is such that you kill every single thing you can if you have the chance. There are no instant fights, so if you're roaming looking for a fight and you see a miner in an easily discoverable location, you will kill it. In my two months of eve I've only found one miner in a belt in low sec, guess what happened to him...

Unless you can work out some kind of escort to protect you, people who are out looking for other combat fitted ships to blow up will be more than happy to take time to kill your mining skiff

especially with the Venture.

and this is the whole problem with low sec mining. if you can't do it in a barge or exhumer it's not worth doing.

lower isk/m3 due to higher concentration of bad ores like gneiss/spod. (and those ores can't be skipped, unless you like waiting 4 days for it to respawn)

Which is what I base my reasoning on, when suggsting that Gneiss and Spod be rebalanced by adding high ends rather than low ends. Tritanium and Pyerite are far worse ISK/m3 than Nocxium and Zydrine. Thus while mineral compression exists, hauling of bulky refined minerals in null sec is going to be competing with jump freighter loads of 40:1 compressed minerals from Jita. One freighter load from Jita, or forty loads from two systems over?

I wouldn't want to be the poor ******* spending an entire evening schlepping a freighter around null.

I agree with this. But maybe leave a tiny bit of Nocxium in the Pyroxeres, else you make a lot of people mad.

Jaspet has quite a bit of Nocx compared to Pyrox, but people aren't exactly flocking to low-sec to mine Jaspet, even with the added bonus of the zydrine.

Hmmm... trit and py will fall through the floor! Eve will be in a recession! Panic! Flee! Horde ALL the ISK! Grab your ventures and secure your measly stockpile! ALL the PLEX will be worthless!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In short, the main bullet point to take away from this is that Eve is dying, and this will kill it faster.

deflation is not recession...

i think prices will go down to pre- drone poo nerf.

It all depends on how much industry moves out to null as a result. I guess it will greatly reduce the low ends being shipped out of high for capitals, but I'm not sure what percentage of high sec minerals end up in caps. Only time will tell how many null alliances bother to make their subcaps out in null, rather than ship in from high, as a result of these changes.

I can't see much trit and pyrite being shipped into high sec from null, a freighter full of the stuff isn't going to be worth enough for them to bother.

between the small amount of minerals added, and the low volume mined in null sec. we're not going to ever see pre-drone poop removal prices.

i'd be surprised if trit goes below 4-4.5 isk. not saying it can't, i'll just be surprised if it does.

deflation is not recession...

i think prices will go down to pre- drone poo nerf.

I don't know... If I was a bean counter at CCP, I would not want people to be dropping their alts and decreasing the bottom line. Surely that would mean lower budgets to do future expansions.

I disagree. You have to look at what was causing the depressed prices with drone poo. There was a way to create minerals that was faster than mining.

50 million an isk an hour mission bounties.
50 million ISK worth of minerals an hour drone poo.
25 million ISK an hour mining.

You couldn't get an equilibrium between mission bounties and mining yield, because there was another option for mineral injection. If mining produced half the minerals of drone poo, then mining was locked into half the profitability of missioning becuase the eualibrium established by people deciding the most profitable activity was between missioning for bounties or killing drones for minerals.


Now, with drone poo gone, as mineral prices drop below mission bounty equilibrium, people will park the exhumers and break out the mission boats... supply and demand will pull mineral prices back up to equilibrium.



And, NO... adding more trit and pyr is not going to make null mining more profitable than high. More likely, the need to get trit and pyr will cause more croc and bist mining to occur... driving down the price of the high ends that will become the shist... the byproduct of what you are really after.


All this change does it make it so that construction in null is not bottle necked by how many freighter loads of trit you can get in.