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Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:12:00 -
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With the coming expansion and the movement of Grav belts to the System scanner and the fancy new graphics for it, is this a push towards the removal of normal belts and the introduction of just grav sites for mining?
Wouldn't be hard to do, remove re-spawn of normal belts after DT and just let them fade out over new eden and bump up the grav site frequency x5 maybe x10
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:14:00 -
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About time if they did.
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Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:16:00 -
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I agree, I think it would be great, add that even small increase in the "enjoyment" (lol) of mining |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13919
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:16:00 -
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Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:17:00 -
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3319
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:23:00 -
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*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ... |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
476
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:25:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ...
Depends, not all miners are afk or bots ;)
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:27:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ...
I'm sorry, but I won't be able to hear that outcry over the sound of my own cheering.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
537
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:28:00 -
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Danbar Roth wrote:With the coming expansion and the movement of Grav belts to the System scanner and the fancy new graphics for it, is this a push towards the removal of normal belts and the introduction of just grav sites for mining?
99% certain this has been mentioned at Fanfest discussions before, as a desireable change.
Could be that ice fields are not only the "guinea pig" for this idea, but also the first of several changes yet to come.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3319
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:29:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Solstice Project wrote:*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ... Depends, not all miners are afk or bots ;) Oh, i wasn't talking about these exclusively. ^_^
There are bots, afk miners, those who simply oppose any change,
those who believe that it's too much of a hassle and not worth their time,
then there will be those thinking that it'll be even more dangerous,
those who won't simply be able to warp to a site, because they don't understand it (yes, i'm serious),
those who'll complain about belts being gone simply because they are gone ...
... now my brain hurts. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1314
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:45:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Solstice Project wrote:*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ... I'm sorry, but I won't be able to hear that outcry over the sound of my own cheering.
Its been a long fight.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=677923
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Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:17:00 -
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It kinda makes good sense now really, with the tags for sec system thats coming in and the reduced need for ratting for sec I think dropping all the belts to grav sites would be a great introduction now everything is set up |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
539
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway.
Because there are no asteroid belts in space?
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Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:25:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space?
Their are but how many do we have in our solar system? Not saying its the same in each one but 1-20 a system? if your going for realism then you point is invalid |
Eddie Meth
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:27:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space?
Rather because they do not appear from thin air, and mined they tend to dissapear. Or reduce size. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
315
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:30:00 -
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Also, because they're weird small semi-circles with rocks in close proximity, whereas the belt in our system is much more diffuse, and covers the whole system.
+1 for ring mining and grav sites. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
Hostile Work Environment.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:38:00 -
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Eddie Meth wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space? Rather because they do not appear from thin air, and mined they tend to dissapear. Or reduce size.
Yeah because the fact that asteroids respawn is literally the only aspect of EVE to require a healthy suspension of disbelief in order to maintain the illusion of this perfectly realistic space simulator... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13925
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:40:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space?
Asteroid belts, yes. Rock fields, no. The closest thing you get are planetary rings. The average distance between asteroids is measured in millions of kilometers GÇö not the thousands of meters we have in EVE.
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Danny Hanther
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:56:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space?
real asteroid belts have all the asteroids miles apart from each other. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.04.28 16:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space? Asteroid belts, yes. Rock fields, no. The closest thing you get are planetary rings. The average distance between asteroids is measured in millions of kilometers GÇö not the thousands of meters we have in EVE.
Listen, if you don't like playing a Fantasy MMO, then maybe Eve isn't for you? ;-)
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1338
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:38:00 -
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One issue with removing asteroid belts.
Where do you go to find belt ralts? 
(Yes, I know. you hit the anomalies)
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Blaze Stigma
Shtakonal Inc
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:44:00 -
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will like to see cpp or isd ppl reply on this. about these questions |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
484
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:05:00 -
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Extra effort required to mine will also raise the mined ore prices, but not the reprocessed ore prices that will help hold them down from PvErs but this is required in all sec systems, low, high, null and W for any mining as it should be.
This ties in exploration with reward.
Every reward in eve should have to be explored/searched for to reap it. Great side effect, makes automation harder, but not impossible though. In short, they have to think and do that extra work.
Long overdue and very welcomeds
It also makes ganking more challenging and rewarding :)
Ninja ganking. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:29:00 -
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Danbar Roth wrote:With the coming expansion and the movement of Grav belts to the System scanner and the fancy new graphics for it, is this a push towards the removal of normal belts and the introduction of just grav sites for mining?
Wouldn't be hard to do, remove re-spawn of normal belts after DT and just let them fade out over new eden and bump up the grav site frequency x5 maybe x10
Perhaps they will, I certainly would like to see it done. I mean who would have thought CCP would let us build stargates and connect them to unknown parts of the universe yet to exist by Dec '13 lol but it looks like it may happen as well. |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
589
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:33:00 -
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Danny Hanther wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space? real asteroid belts have all the asteroids miles apart from each other.
Realistic distances between objects, and actual sizes of objects, doesn't play a part in eve. Distances, and sizes, are adjusted ffor the convenience of making eve enjoyable to play. The current rock fields are completely practical, given the limitations of the game.
Static asteroid belts, as they are, are a good thing, because they foster easier empire pvp, provide a static location for rats, and allow people who want something simple and relaxing to do, to have just that. Plus, they're such a core part of the way eve has always been, I think it would be an absolute shame to remove them entirely and replace them with grav belts. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
336
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:36:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:*lol* imagine the outcry from all the miners ...
I wouldn't even notice. I'm mining in missions, when I really feel like mining.
Remove insurance. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2409
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:22:00 -
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Danbar Roth wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure hope so. The current rock fields make no sense anyway. Because there are no asteroid belts in space? Their are but how many do we have in our solar system? Not saying its the same in each one but 1-20 a system? if your going for realism then you point is invalid
Realism?
You want a ring completely around the local star holding millions of asteroids?
One the one hand you could certainly mine one field for the rest of your natural life. On the down side, you'd need a really high end computer to run it.
Since I have such a computer, I'll throw my hat into the one belt per system idea.
Mr Epeen 
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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:32:00 -
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With the new tags for security status system, does the future absolute removal of belts make sense at all? To me, it looks more like simply placing "special" minerals and resources in anomalies in the future while leaving the typical veldspar fields alone. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
233
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:36:00 -
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I did watch fanfest, but just had a couple of questions regarding this.
1. Are all current grav sites, ie grav sites in high sec, null sec, low sec, and WH space going to be located via the on board scanner rather than probes now?
2. Does this apply to ladar sites also or only grav sites?
3. If asteroid belts were to be completely removed then what would take the place of ratting and how would that work?
If CCP could let us know, or if this was mentioned already and I missed it or it was mentioned at one of the events not broadcast, then perhaps someone who knows this from the community.
Thanks in advance. Interesting changes on the horizon for sure. |
Dave Stark
2973
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:40:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:I did watch fanfest, but just had a couple of questions regarding this.
1. Are all current grav sites, ie grav sites in high sec, null sec, low sec, and WH space going to be located via the on board scanner rather than probes now?
2. Does this apply to ladar sites also or only grav sites?
3. If asteroid belts were to be completely removed then what would take the place of ratting and how would that work?
If CCP could let us know, or if this was mentioned already and I missed it or it was mentioned at one of the events not broadcast, then perhaps someone who knows this from the community.
Thanks in advance. Interesting changes on the horizon for sure.
1. yes, as per the dev blog.
2. only grav, ladar will still need probes.
3. rats still spawn in anoms, so people would fly to anoms, not belts. at least, that's how the sov grav sites in null work, never mined a high sec one, never found one worth the time. |
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