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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
93
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:00:00 -
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Hi Eve,
Any chance of having the costs of clones in EvE lowered? I have to say that the costs of replacing my clone is becoming more and more a barrier for fast and dirty PVP rather than the ship loss.
I would even raise the question as to do we even need to have a cost to them?
Thoughts / Ideas / flames ?
-CJ
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Dave Stark
2964
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:01:00 -
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ccp have stated they are unhappy with how clones work.
although they haven't said more than that. no specifics, no dates. just a general statement. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
540
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:03:00 -
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While I agree some revision of clone costs is necessary, I am also looking forward to the "customizeable" clone idea that has come up from time to time.
Also, Dr. Eyjo likes his "ISK sinks"... so I imagine that clones costs will never be abolished entirely. C'est la guerre. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10743
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:06:00 -
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Clones should be allowed to be completely resculpted. It's grown in a tank so if you want a flatter nose you leave it in the first tank too long so it gets smooshed 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1273
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:11:00 -
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And why can't clones be an entirely different race/sex, too?? Seems to me that was in Book 1, if I recall... Five jump clones all different shapes, mixture of male/female, etc...
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:12:00 -
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In theory, the cost of cost a clone should never exceed the income that you can get from the using the skillset available to that clone. Though if you exclusively PvP, it kills the theory. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1503
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:13:00 -
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New clone type: Combat clone.
They are like Jump Clones, only that you can limit the skills the clone will have. Thus the Medical Clone of a Combat Clone is cheaper. You cannot train skills on your Combat Clone. While your normal clone is in storage, cerebral adjustments can be done manually, so skill training will continue, albeit at a reduced rate.
Sovereignty and Population
Moulds and water for the sandbox. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:16:00 -
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Cryten Jones wrote:Hi Eve,
Any chance of having the costs of clones in EvE lowered? I have to say that the costs of replacing my clone is becoming more and more a barrier for fast and dirty PVP rather than the ship loss.
I would even raise the question as to do we even need to have a cost to them?
Thoughts / Ideas / flames ?
-CJ
You bought this toon, didn't you? Because that is a total noob gripe.
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1327
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:17:00 -
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How many pods do you actually lose?
Generally my implant costs when podded far outweigh any clone costs. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:17:00 -
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I say no more clone grades, at all. Pods should be harder to lock or hit, and you should ALWAYS lose a small amount of SP when you get podded.
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:19:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:How many pods do you actually lose?
Generally my implant costs when podded far outweigh any clone costs.
Easy fix: don't PvP in a clone that has implants. Problem solved/problem staying solved.
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
102
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:25:00 -
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Dust will be making hundreds of clones for battle...since we will be making dust gear for them in the future, perhaps they can make and sell us medical clones instead? |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
126
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:29:00 -
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if it's an elaborate solution it'll never happen. top price 10M, rejig the scale, done and dusted.
freelance space bum |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10748
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:30:00 -
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No clones!
Eve on hardcore mode 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
93
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:46:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Cryten Jones wrote:Hi Eve,
Any chance of having the costs of clones in EvE lowered? I have to say that the costs of replacing my clone is becoming more and more a barrier for fast and dirty PVP rather than the ship loss.
I would even raise the question as to do we even need to have a cost to them?
Thoughts / Ideas / flames ?
-CJ
You bought this toon, didn't you? Because that is a total noob gripe.
Nope, I have owned this toon from creation thanks :-)
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Arin Archer
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:48:00 -
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Easy fix would be to keep attribute implants separate from hardwired skill implants. Who doesn't want to +5 their training if they can afford it and trained for it? Who doesn't want to lose half a billion on a single PvP loss, on top of your ship/fittings/cargo, and other implants and jump clones costs?
I'd be more encouraged to head into null..er .4...er .7 space if I would only lose my hardwired skill implants and if clones cost less to buy after someone kills me for fun. Wouldn't the loss of your ship/fittings along with maybe half the existing clone and implant losses already be penalty enough for coming up on the short end of a battle (or gank)? People want to train skills as fast as possible (well many do). If CCP wants to encourage more chaos, the first step would be to make those that want max skill training have more reason to PvP without losing training time. Losing the equivalent of a PLEX per battle seems a bit harsh, but it's that or take a setback in training and deal with the mega long reset jump clone swaparoo. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2409
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:59:00 -
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I guess, OP, that EVE is only supposed to be a harsh place when it's happening to someone other than you.
Clones should double in price, if you ask me. Could be worse. You could lose SP and have to start training some random skill all over again. There has to be a consequence for our (stupid) actions and paying for reanimation is one of them.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
719
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:ccp have stated they are unhappy with how clones work.
I hope they were talking about jump clones rather than medical clones. Ban jump clones tbh.
Oh god. |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
93
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:13:00 -
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Arin Archer, point exactly.
ePeen, no. I have stuck with EvE for a decade because I like how it is. Even though 90% of my play style is CB I am not risk adverse, I get the dark and danger and it's what has kept me here.
I am saying that there comes a point that playing in the small to medium random engagement game becomes un-appealing when your clone costs twice your ship.
To be honest I would be happy with free clones and loosing points from the skills in use at the time of death.
eg die in a Caldari frigate and loose points from that skill or a skill that was in use on the ship like missiles, or shields...
-CJ
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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:20:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:No clones! Eve on hardcore mode
I second this idea |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:28:00 -
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Arin Archer wrote:Easy fix would be to keep attribute implants separate from hardwired skill implants. Who doesn't want to +5 their training if they can afford it and trained for it? Who doesn't want to lose half a billion on a single PvP loss, on top of your ship/fittings/cargo, and other implants and jump clones costs?
I'd be more encouraged to head into null..er .4...er .7 space if I would only lose my hardwired skill implants and if clones cost less to buy after someone kills me for fun. Wouldn't the loss of your ship/fittings along with maybe half the existing clone and implant losses already be penalty enough for coming up on the short end of a battle (or gank)? People want to train skills as fast as possible (well many do). If CCP wants to encourage more chaos, the first step would be to make those that want max skill training have more reason to PvP without losing training time. Losing the equivalent of a PLEX per battle seems a bit harsh, but it's that or take a setback in training and deal with the mega long reset jump clone swaparoo.
Jump clones, use them. When you decide to go out on PvP for a few days, pop in a few +3's, not too bad. But I do agree the waiting time is too much, 18 or 20 hours would be more like it. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
720
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:32:00 -
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Arin Archer wrote:Losing the equivalent of a PLEX per battle seems a bit harsh
No one is forcing you to buy expensive implants you can't afford.
Cryten Jones wrote:there comes a point that playing in the small to medium random engagement game becomes un-appealing when your clone costs twice your ship
So fly something more expensive, like a Tengu. You can afford to do that and your chances of survival will increase greatly.
Oh god. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
126
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:40:00 -
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you could always sell that ship and the lump of trit you get for free as a way to reduce costs.
and of course it also makes perfect sense that 70kg of finest mulched human costs as much as a HAC.
lets face it it's all a bit silly. smells like learnign skills to me. not that i ever had to deal with that nonsense lol.
freelance space bum |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:44:00 -
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Cryten Jones wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Cryten Jones wrote:Hi Eve,
Any chance of having the costs of clones in EvE lowered? I have to say that the costs of replacing my clone is becoming more and more a barrier for fast and dirty PVP rather than the ship loss.
I would even raise the question as to do we even need to have a cost to them?
Thoughts / Ideas / flames ?
-CJ
You bought this toon, didn't you? Because that is a total noob gripe. Nope, I have owned this toon from creation thanks :-)
I was just being a facetious prick, anyhow.
Seriously, though, man..... when I go PvPing, I'm in an implantless clone that I know is going to get dead. Probably several times, in a 24-hour period. That's how we've always done it. As for the cost of upgraded clones.... dude, it's negligible. Just like ship insurance.
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
319
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:58:00 -
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I'd be happy if I could just buy clones in bulk...
Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him? |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:05:00 -
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Huh? People lose pods? |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:29:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Huh? People lose pods?
Not to me, they don't. I'm quite proud of my Zero Pod Kills record....
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
542
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:40:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:No clones! Eve on hardcore mode
You...me...my Captain's Quarters. That would be EvE on hardcore mode.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4781
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:48:00 -
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Look at all these highsec players who think their opinion on clone costs is worth something.
If you seriously think that having SP loss every time you lose your clone regardless of what you do is a good thing, you're definitely free to try it out yourself (by which I mean PVP in nullsec for a month without ever upgrading your clone) and judge if this enriches your game experience or not.
Everybody knows you won't, so your opinion is invalid. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
941
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:55:00 -
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Cryten Jones wrote:Hi Eve,
Any chance of having the costs of clones in EvE lowered? I have to say that the costs of replacing my clone is becoming more and more a barrier for fast and dirty PVP rather than the ship loss.
I would even raise the question as to do we even need to have a cost to them?
Thoughts / Ideas / flames ?
-CJ
james from razor came up with the idea that you insure for an amount of time for a set amount of isk... that way you can loose your pod an infinate amount of times and not loose any sp... but you have to renew your insurance after it runs out...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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