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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.09.30 09:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Hellmar
Read all about it in EON
Come on this is well insullting to all who play eve. Does CCP really think that players will be happy to see responces like this?
First of all the big news is hidden away in an press release on a IBM website, then when asked about it the no comment wait for an other few weeks till some one gets to see our new magazine which costs major $$$, becuase in there we will explain it.
CCP This is by far the worst communication I have seen from you in all the months I have been playing eve.
Oh, yeah and I feel very  about this.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.30 09:18:00 -
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Oh ffs stop moaning about the EON thing, seriously.
You'll probably find that CCP wanted an EXCLUSIVE story for the launch of EON, which would then be announced shortly afterwards on the website.
Nothing wrong with this, so untwist your knickers.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2005.09.30 09:20:00 -
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Just my two 0.01 isk:
Chinese ONLY cluster=OK,
Asian cluster= NONO
One idea might be: Jove space resists on a asian cluster, with only one jump-entry (to the cluster in London), which costs you lots of isk. Once you get podded, you get your clone back in Jove space. So people could do trips to the other cluster, but cannot flood is so easily.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:02:00 -
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No.
No second server. Even if it means having to live with thousands (millions) of non-English speaking Chinese.
And to be honest, does the Chinese market need to be developed? In my opinion, EvE is doing fine without them.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:03:00 -
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cleanup
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:04:00 -
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Dear god, talking about taking things out of proportions! What a thread to wake up for your morning tea 
Lets get some facts clear here:
1. There is a lot of good stuff in E-ON, like interviews with some of the staff. Some of those interviews contain new information, which is exclusive to E-ON after which it's of course public knowledge!
(Spelling it out: No you dont have to buy E-ON to get information about EVE, but if you want to know it first and get a cool high quality mag then you have the opportunity to do so)
2. As much as we're invested in a single world universe (and believe me, we are) we have to face reality, China requires everything to be in Chinese.
3. China requires a local (physical) operator for its games, that means server cluster, support etc.
4. Beside the legal issues of 3, a large part of China are unable to play on Tranquility in England simply because the of the latency (1000ms+ ping times)
So, to sum it up. Unless you know Chinese and have a really good connection to China, this will not affect you, because the Chinese universe would be from end-to-end - Chinese.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Buraken v2 on 30/09/2005 10:19:19
What oveur said!
My Sig:
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: TheKiller8
Uh what's stopping you from fitting expanders on a freighter?
No slots?
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:27:00 -
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Well thats what we wanted to hear. We are not going to lose many players (im generalising that not many westerners speak chinese) and it isnt a continent spanning server, its chinese only. thanks for the post from ccp, was def needed to calm us all down, you know we get ourselves in a state sometimes.
Lets hope ccp skim loads of money off this new chinese venture asap and plough it back into the proper server (ours) :)
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Pamiuw
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:28:00 -
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Sorry for this being a dumb question, but apart from the language thing, what is stopping the Asian market downloading the client, creating a character and logging in anyway?
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:34:00 -
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Thanks for the relief, Oveur. I still dread the Korean invasion, but maybe if they go hit up the Chinese cluster (they would probably learn Chinese easier than english) to grief and macro-mine, it won't be so bad.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:35:00 -
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i would imagine a clause in the EULA or when u have to provide data to register with game then has to be in china etc. If the chinese gov has strict regulations (i have no idea tbh) then im sure ccp will meet their demands so that the server is considered safe by the gov but still enjoyable for their market.
We have had our answer now from ccp? time to move on.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:35:00 -
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I really can life with a chinese server. Some guys might try the chinese server, some chinese might try trasq. Does it matter? NO! 
Its sad that EVE loses the "One world" character with this, but I can really understand that CCP doesn¦t want to loose such a large market.
Thx for the info. We really nedded it to calm down. 
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 30/09/2005 11:07:10
Well imo, it doesnt matter if the Scordite iam mining is named in english or in chinese. And also i dont mind if i blow up a chinese, a russian, a german, a american or someone from kongo.
Tbh, a new corp on a new server would be interesting, if ofc non-chinese would be able to connect to the cluster. And i dont need any to know what the items name is, if i see the stats and the picture.
Ofc i would have to ignore any chats, to but everybody on my ignorelist and to throw diplomatic relationship out of the window. Sounds cool for me  .
I need only to translate the following sentence into chinese to copy&paste them whenever needed.
"Pay xx mil isk or die. You have 30 sec."
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
2. As much as we're invested in a single world universe (and believe me, we are) we have to face reality, China requires everything to be in Chinese.
Running an eve server and a universe in china can be done in diffrent ways, some good and some bad.
Running a clone of Tq, with the same factions, the same universe, the same storylines and the same major events will ruin the main thing that makes eve special.
Running a diffrent universe with some changes such as a diffrent storyline and a completely diffrent location on the other hand would actually be interesting.
Our map could even display the chinese universe next to our much like it displays the jove one, perhaps one day in the future it will become technically and legally possible to actually connect both of them.
Hell, that could even be RPed into the game and it would quite count as sharding, as that would require simple clones to be ran.
Example; Jovians Transport Colonists of all major factions to New part of space for unknown reasons, new settlements are constructed but the asian universe has to start over at the beginning, theyd be discovering the same technology as us just a lot later. (Assuming they actually start at the beginning)
Nobody knows why they did it, all we know is we can see the system on long range scans and thus on the map but its not possible to actually get to it. Due to some kind of barrier?
Same races, Same Content, Same Gameplay, diffrent story and diffrent universe. The thing that makes eve special is preserved and perhaps one day CCP can be set a record by connecting both worlds, that should make ONE HELL of an interesting event 
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:14:00 -
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If this is implemented as another copy of the Eve universe, completely isolated from TQ, then this will pretty much kill the game for me and I suspect many others. Half of what makes Eve fun is the feeling that whatever you do, your achievements are unique and will have an effect on everybody (albeit sometimes a small effect).
If CCP are clever, then they will implement the Asian shard as a different area of space on TQ. The servers for this section of space could still be in China to alleviate the lag issues. This area should be possible to access, but with great difficulty. Difficult enough to prevent mass movement between the areas, but allow limited trade. The important thing is to maintain the feeling of a cohesive world. Giving the new shard a physical place in the Eve universe rather than leaving it disconnected entirely is the best way to do this.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:25:00 -
[106]
Cleaned, anymore prejudiced posts claiming asian players are macro users will be dealt with very harshly indeed.
Be respectful at all times.
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Sha Dar
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:26:00 -
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The chinese live under the rules of their government and if said government dictate this is how it must be done, or not at all, then so be it.
Other than this one specific instance, I am against any sharding though, as I think us all existing in the one place, albeit a lage place :), is infinitely better then multiple seperate copies.
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Jorak Falconstar
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:38:00 -
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well what ever happens seem to be a good thing for CCP in the long run. I just hope they dont make the mistake made by many companies and force the Australian/New Zealand players to change.. we are our own area and not part of asia in anyway. if the Asians want to join the exsisting cluster let them come.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:47:00 -
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TBH; as much as I love the single universe idea, think about this: This is not like other mmogs that have multiple shards for the same people. We're talking that 90% of the world will still play in TQ, while the Chinese (who, it seems, aren't for the most part playing EVE, nor would they unless they get their own server) get to play EVE.
Basically what I'm saying is you won't "feel" any difference regarding the repercusions of your acts, because everyone you "know" will be playing in the same server.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 30/09/2005 12:07:47
Well, if China gets it's own shard aka server cluster with different content, then the question remains who develops it.
Will 'our' devs take care of both markets or will some of our current devs exclusively work on the chinese project and new people work on the old 'western' EVE ?
So I think it will have some influence on 'our' EVE anyway, but noone knows what it will be exactly.
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Troezar
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:17:00 -
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Chinese server is fine by me. As it will all be in Chinese including the forums it may as well not exist to most of the rest of the world.
It's like the question:
"In the middle of a deserted forest on the other side of the world a tree falls down, you never saw it or heard it and it had no effect on you. Did it happen?"
Chinese server = more cash for CPP = more cool stuff for us. Other than that I for one don't care
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel
TBH; as much as I love the single universe idea, think about this: This is not like other mmogs that have multiple shards for the same people. We're talking that 90% of the world will still play in TQ, while the Chinese (who, it seems, aren't for the most part playing EVE, nor would they unless they get their own server) get to play EVE.
Basically what I'm saying is you won't "feel" any difference regarding the repercusions of your acts, because everyone you "know" will be playing in the same server.
PErsonally i couldnt care less who i play against, just because the asians are pon diffrent shard rather then the germans doesnt change a thing. Its still a shard and it would still ruin the uniqueness of eve tbh. 
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Hi'Ryan Greetos
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:29:00 -
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I'm more than pleased to know that I don't have to play with chinese players because I don't understand 'em
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
PErsonally i couldnt care less who i play against, just because the asians are pon diffrent shard rather then the germans doesnt change a thing. Its still a shard and it would still ruin the uniqueness of eve tbh.
As much as we'd all like it to be otherwise, RL considerations mean that China either gets Eve as it's own shard, or it doesn't get Eve at all. Given those options, spreading the joy of eve to the Chinese market is worth the philosophical downside of the second cluster.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Winterblink on 30/09/2005 12:54:57
Originally by: Oveur
*snippity snip*
Well all of that, plus you have to appease new regulations being imposed by the Chinese government with regards to online gaming (time limit, etc). Kind of hard to do that for a specific segment of the EVE Gaming Legion, much easier to provide some equipment and software for their region.
Should be interesting. Either way, I doubt EVE China will affect EVE Rest-of-the-World in any measurable way.
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
If anyone wants to scan the page(s) related to the Asian cluster/server/market/whatever then ill be more then happy to host them. I dont care about the rest of the mag as thats just fancy non-important stuff.
called stealing btw
BS. Look for the definition of stealing in a dictionary and explain how making a digital copy of something is stealing. You're just repeating the lies of a certain industry.
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Borzoi
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:23:00 -
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As CYVOK said "This is a VERY smart buisness move.", but here it
stops for me.
As far as i know, the Chineese Goverment is not about freedom, Eve is.
Second cluster is bad, even if its in another language and far away
locked up in a land that regulates its players with a "iron hand"
I do understand however that CCP needs the money generated, and
perhaps Eve can bring on a change in RL
But in this world CYVOK's statement is the rule, deviate and you fall. 
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:26:00 -
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Put me down for "Seperate shard=Bad Idea group" The reason I joined eve was because I could play with new and old friends without worrying if they were on the same server as me. To start a new shard is like giving into those people who ask for the current one to be reset and everyone placed back at default skill levels.. However the information is far from clear what exactly they plan on doing, if they can network the two clusters together I'm all for it. Just introduce a Chinese to english translator and I'll recruit some new Miner bretheran!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
If anyone wants to scan the page(s) related to the Asian cluster/server/market/whatever then ill be more then happy to host them. I dont care about the rest of the mag as thats just fancy non-important stuff.
called stealing btw
BS. Look for the definition of stealing in a dictionary and explain how making a digital copy of something is stealing. You're just repeating the lies of a certain industry.
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read digitil media copyright 101 and comeback. You have to buy media to be able to view it legally, especially magazines. Whats the point in buying any magazine if its ok to upload it in its entirety and read it for free, your effectively stealing it because your not paying for it.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 30/09/2005 13:27:33
Originally by: Hakera
read digitil media copyright 101 and comeback. You have to buy media to be able to view it legally, especially magazines. Whats the point in buying any magazine if its ok to upload it in its entirety and read it for free, your effectively stealing it because your not paying for it.
You are, however, legally allowed to post articles.
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