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Adorae
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Posted - 2005.09.30 20:20:00 -
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It wont be 2 shards. It'll be TQ. Unless you're in China, download/buy a chinese client, and are on a chinese ISP. In which case, it's TQ-china.
You guys are thinking of it like other MMO's that have realms. It wont be dunemaul for chinese, and spinebreaker for america.
If you're not in China, you wont even know it exists. The Chinese Police State will have a gimped, dumbed down version of EVE, and the rest of the world will have what we have now, and we'll never see each other, or each others version of TQ. Unless they revolt. Which I hope they do. Those guys are awesome and don't deserve the crap their government throws on them.
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2005.09.30 20:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Deka Kador
Question for the Dev's:
You've stated that any expansion into the Asian market would result in a seperate team ahndling the development of Eve-Asia, correct?
what if Eve-Asia explodes massively in terms of member numbers? Will Eve-RotW (Rest of the World) lose valued dev's to boost Eve-Asia?
In other words, would the popularity of an Asian Eve have any detrimental effects on our Eve?
I personaly would like to see the Eve-China sites and servers blackwalled from the rest of the world, though that would be a futile gesture at best. IMO, Eve is progressing daily, and it is still in its infancy.
The thing I fear most is we could see a faster paced Eve because of the time restrictions, and people here will start whining for a faster paced Eve as well. Hopefuly CCP China will roll out Eve-China at a similar pace as far as TQ has for us.
I want to speculate so badly how this can be done, but i guess i can wait to see how CCP handles this. It could be so diffrent because of political requirements that it is barely Eve as we know it. DANG-IT, I want to see that E-O article NOW!!!
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.09.30 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Soren
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Soren
what's this mean for new players comming into eve? can they choose to join the new server? alot of people say it's not fair for newbies and they deserve a better chance, can't they just join this new server now and start fresh? what's the mean for TQ's new players?
who wants to join a server where people have 2.5 years experiance on you when you can join a brand new shard? new players could go into a universe with lots of history, or join a new shard and make the history their own.
i'm kind of dissapointed with a second shard, although i can see reason for it. i fear the affects it could have on TQ though, since i love it soo much.
The new shard will be in Chinese, Soren. How many American game playrs do you know who speak...
what excatly do you read in eve that isn't numbers and other peoples chatting. an english player base could easily make it the chinese "shard" or "server" or whatever people want to call it.
All ships, mods and skills would be in Chinese. Good luck telling them apart, the mods and skills at least.
Originally by: Idio T
Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.09.30 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Soren
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Soren
what's this mean for new players comming into eve? can they choose to join the new server? alot of people say it's not fair for newbies and they deserve a better chance, can't they just join this new server now and start fresh? what's the mean for TQ's new players?
who wants to join a server where people have 2.5 years experiance on you when you can join a brand new shard? new players could go into a universe with lots of history, or join a new shard and make the history their own.
i'm kind of dissapointed with a second shard, although i can see reason for it. i fear the affects it could have on TQ though, since i love it soo much.
The new shard will be in Chinese, Soren. How many American game playrs do you know who speak...
what excatly do you read in eve that isn't numbers and other peoples chatting. an english player base could easily make it the chinese "shard" or "server" or whatever people want to call it.
All ships, mods and skills would be in Chinese. Good luck telling them apart, the mods and skills at least.
I am sure some enterprising soul could create/design a IGB-capable website to translate the module/ship/skill/etc words in English.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.09.30 21:17:00 -
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I have my doubts that the Chinese server will even be accessible outside of China.
And even if it wasn't, TQ will not lose any players to it (due to latency, language and cultural issues, and possibly other reasons).
Thus, it is not sharding. The seperate crowds cannot practically join the other.
And maybe the revenue will mean that CCP can do some nifty expanding.
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Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2005.09.30 22:59:00 -
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I heard universes tend to have multiple galaxies! 
They're rather independent and what happens in one of them doesn't influence the other.
As long as it has no negative influence on "our" Tranquility, I wouldn't mind if Chinese, Martians and people from the vicinity of Betelgeuze get their own galaxies in the EVE Universe. 
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:06:00 -
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How can you say it is not a seperate shard? Of course it is! There is no difference between americans, chinese, japanese, spanish, russian, german etc in EVE. Why is it not considered a second shard if its chinese? There already ARE many chinese people playing EVE on "our" servers. They enjoy the game and have a lot of fun, just like everyone else. I bet things could be done to minimize lag etc for our chinese friends, but I do admit that it is prolly best to make a "chinese only shard" for 2 reasons:
1. Giving them the best ping available.
2. Avoding any (if any) political related problems
They are a little seperated from the "center" of the groups of people playing eve (physically) and might not have the greatest of connection to EVE online if they have to connect to London. Also, with their governments 3 hour rule and sensitive political discussion policies it might be easier to just give the chinese their own world.
But make no mistake about it, it IS a seperate shard. No longer will *all* eve players be playing in the same persistant world. Now there will more are less be 2 copies where one set of players can never interact with the other set. That, my friends, IS A SHARD.
(I hope one day they open it up and everyone can interact with everyone) :) Perhaps in the future when the EVE servers can easily handel 100,000 people online in the same world and the distance between differing locations in the world means nothing etc and there are no govornment restrictions, or there is at least a way to compromise with the govt and allow EVE to be joined. That would be cool.
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: The GoldenRatio on 30/09/2005 23:10:48
"I am sure some enterprising soul could create/design a IGB-capable website to translate the module/ship/skill/etc words in English."
Even easier, you can have "Standard English" EVE client and a "Chinese" EVE client. There is nothing hard about that. You could even, while in game, go into options and "Switch to chinese mode" if the devs wanted and then everything would be in chinese. Not a hard thing to do at all....it's just text. The only issue you would have other than pure translation is making sure the characters fit in the needed area, or making the area auto expand in a good looking way in case it takes more space to say something in one language or the other. Not a big deal.
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:14:00 -
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I should note that I played Lineage 2 with a lot of Chinese and they were just as good at pvp and everything as us westerners. I played UO with japaneese and chinese and a little bit of lag problems were apparent to many of them, but UO is very ping intensive. A game like EVE, as long as the connections were running fine, would give these people little to NO lag issues. EVE seriously hides its lag very well and in many situations whether you have a ping of 15 or 500, your performance is literally indistinguishable. (not saying all chinese would have a ping of 500, just used an example)
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.10.01 20:46:00 -
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I gues this has to do with a degree that the chineese goverment (lets call it that to make it easy) issued.
- MMORPG's can not be played for more than 5 hours per day. (all games will have to ensure that users do not play more than 5 hours a day or face being blocked by their internet police.
That might explain why the are doing a seperate shard for the chineese market (which is huge as we should by now all know)
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Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:05:00 -
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I wonder which server they will connect to from Taiwan
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Cheeba
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Posted - 2005.10.01 22:32:00 -
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I didnt read this whole thing. But all I keep reading is about how this will destroy the game. How EVE being one shard makes it unique.
We'll your right about EVE being unique. But thats not the only thing that makes it unique. The game is what is unique. There is nothing like EVE on the market.
Go ahead with another shard CCP. I can only see this as a good thing. Tranq cant hold that type of increase.
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.10.02 00:31:00 -
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Im confused the translater in my pod should easily be able translate the chinese language, after all the language has been around for, well ever.
Im all for a differant cluster for a NEW market. I mean how bad would it suck for this new game to come out and everything that all of us have already been threw , they would never get to enjoy.
Having to join in this new world and the really cool corps, are already created. BS bpo? pfft lots of them already out everything we take for granted they would never truley understand how it all came about.
skills? they would never catch up EVER
If they did there own thing and tried to take over an area, how bad would they be pummled from the start. the game would completely suck for them, they would quit.
Very good business decision ccp
This way the "asian cluster" has a really good chance at becoming great.
as far as going from one server to the other... would be no need what so ever. the TQ server would be way far advanced as to anyting on the asian server, least i would think it would be. So the player could grow with the game.
Now the benifits to this 2nd. server cluster will be great as well by bringing even more attention and players to our own TQ.
imagine eve in 5 years with the super internet connections sure to come, extreme servers are an everyday thing the 2 servers merge into one as EvE 2 goes gold and planetary exploration and FPS combat are a reality.
opps kinda rambled a bit
anyways gg ccp get to work on fixin my fleet lag 1st. though -)
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:14:00 -
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It would be great if CCP had the resources to make the second 'universe' be a totally different galaxy, but, come on...
Sharding is inevitable with this rate of playerbase growth. Overpopulation will force them to shard the Western world, too, eventually, or open up HUGE new areas, if they want to maintain a good gameplay experience for everyone.
Also, I've spent a lot of time in China, and I remember trying to play EVE from there on a GOOD internet connection. Lag, lag, lag. They need their own. China is a huge market; CCP will make a lot of money; they'll develop more products. This is a good thing. And it will save a million headaches in trying to reconcile arguments between masses of Asian/European/American players who have totally different ideas on how to play the game.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adam Weishaupt
It would be great if CCP had the resources to make the second 'universe' be a totally different galaxy, but, come on...
Sharding is inevitable with this rate of playerbase growth. Overpopulation will force them to shard the Western world, too, eventually, or open up HUGE new areas, if they want to maintain a good gameplay experience for everyone.
Also, I've spent a lot of time in China, and I remember trying to play EVE from there on a GOOD internet connection. Lag, lag, lag. They need their own. China is a huge market; CCP will make a lot of money; they'll develop more products. This is a good thing. And it will save a million headaches in trying to reconcile arguments between masses of Asian/European/American players who have totally different ideas on how to play the game.
No shardin is needed.
Right now, people are flocking to 4 regional centers of market activity, and for the rest, most space is empty, except for the occasional agent runner or miner. 0.0 is the same, where most regions have a centre point of activity.
CCP has planned system wide roid belts. This will mean that it would pay off to stay in 1 system and only claim that system for a prolonged time. This means, a lot mroe defensive ability, without having to sacrifice economical gains.
Regional markets are highly encouraged. Currently, most regions just need a population to make it work, however, most people think there's only Jita or Oursuleart. When more people start comming in, trade will stay mostly in those systems, however, regional markets will start to form, and as soon as alliances can afford their own 'real' infrastructure, 0.0 regions will start getting more populated too.
Add to that that in the future, contellations will be more important than regions, and i you put all this together, i think you can easily fit 75k players in 1 universe without it getting crowded. And that's even without the closed off regions.
Server load and bandwith usage wil be improved in the next 2-3 years aswell.
100k players in this same universe can easily be done. Sharding will never be needed.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.10.02 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
If anyone wants to scan the page(s) related to the Asian cluster/server/market/whatever then ill be more then happy to host them. I dont care about the rest of the mag as thats just fancy non-important stuff.
called stealing btw
BS. Look for the definition of stealing in a dictionary and explain how making a digital copy of something is stealing. You're just repeating the lies of a certain industry.
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Stealing? not in the literal translation of the word.
Illegal? Yes.
Distributing someone elses work without their permission is BAD. If you don't want to pay for it, don't pay for it. But don't think you're entitled to getting a copy even though you refuse to pay.
/musician who HATES how people attempt to justify their shady actions.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.10.02 08:35:00 -
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This could be an interesting examination of human society. Will the Chinese opt for a Communistic system with price controls on items, or will they really take to the open market that Eve envisions?
Will we see the headline in a few years: "Computer game spurs revolution: film at Eleven!"
Originally by: Idio T
Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
/musician who HATES how people attempt to justify their shady actions.
/Owner of 0 CDs and several thousand songs who hates the price of cd's and games 
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:21:00 -
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In my view, a second shard _will_ detract from the feeling that is "playing EvE". (Anyone saying that the described would not be a new shard - for all kinds of reasons - is daft beyond understanding)
Not to the point where I would stop playing or anything. But it will dectract.
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:29:00 -
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There are already chinese and other asians on this server, they manage fine. But if you do find it absolutely necessary to make a seperate cluster I'd rather just have the other Asians use the current one.
I don't think the language issue is that big a deal, when you consider how many different nationalities there are playing already and manage just fine. Obviously it does help to speak English, which is taught in alot of European countries(Dutch people speak excellent English).
Do they teach English in China? what about Japan and Korea ?
Here's an idea, let's all learn Chinese:P
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:52:00 -
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Ping from South East Asia region to TQ is also good. Not bad.
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Pistonbroke
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:21:00 -
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let em have it, but make isk, items and characters non-transferrable and call it something else - then we can pretend it doesn't exist.
pistonbroke shudders at the thought of 500 strong kamikaze squad of microwarping blaster harpies entering system.........
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Skva
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:31:00 -
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It would be cool if it was kept as just a single shard, but as others have said there are good reasons for that not being a possibility.
I don't paticularly like the idea, but as long as it doesn't effect tranquility (i.e. devs spending less time on tranq and more time doing stuff with the Asian server) I'm sure we'll all forget it's even there after a week or so.
It's no reason to quit the game over, but if they were to do something like seperate European and American gamers then that WOULD suck.
15k online users is plenty, having a seperate Asian server won't effect this number. We won't see a difference on that front, I just hope the devs don't get all hyped about about playing with their new toy and forget about tranq.
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Carper
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:36:00 -
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When exactly is this actually going to happen?
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Posmart
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:04:00 -
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When is a shard not a shard?
When it's Chineve.
If I hear about CCP grassing on its players to the chinese authorities the way Yahoo does, that will be the end of my subscription. I'm addicted to burgers too, but I don't buy MacDonalds for ethical reasons.
Please keep politics off the forums (or we'll send someone round to arrest you and bang you up for 10 years).
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Septacore
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:29:00 -
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Hi also didnt read the whole thing
but
cant they just put 2 big servers that are connected to each Eurpope(big bandwith)-China(bigbandwith)
and we have one whole thing
If eve will be like that how is it called damn thing WorldOfWarcraft I think many people will leave . I think there are more solutions out there how to get the pings higher then the crappy one to make more Tranquilities. It sounds like normal companies who are saying get more people out and we are getting better :-) There are reserves that developers may use and think about but -> "No!!! there are easier things in their minds . I hope eve is not gonna swap to a different direction like all other Massive Online Games did. I hope you(devs) just dont look at amount of players to make you decision of going the easy way to handle it.Kinda EBIT thing.
It starts like before in AMGIGA times . Before 10 years there where alot of programmes that fitted games to one disk . Then ther came windows with its more megabytes. Well they havent crunched their apps they just write without compression. Thats what i think they want to do with eve now . They go the easier way. But you know what if you go the hard way you'll beat the record and AIM of every other Massive online game. Bringing the whole world togther on one system. I have different threads in my mind where Oveur is speaking about WOW disadvantages i hope it doesnt get copied. Sorry Oveur dont want to attack you guys.Its just critic. I think you did a nice thing until now.
SAY NO TO 2 TRANQUILITYS!!!
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BloodSlicer
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:46:00 -
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Again didnt read most replys, but i dont see the piont of 2 servers, and one just for Asia and one for the rest...i understand they might want there own things and such, but what about germans? russians? danish? are they gonna get their own cluster? i think not, so all this would be a waste of resources and time i think, untill the need arises i think the servers and clusters should stay as they are now.
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griff1972
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:54:00 -
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I dont know how the mechinics of eve work but cant the game be split down between servers for example 1 sever for so many systems, another server for market and so on
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.02 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
The only issue you would have other than pure translation is making sure the characters fit in the needed area, or making the area auto expand in a good looking way in case it takes more space to say something in one language or the other. Not a big deal.
You're not a coder are you? It shows.
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Shme
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Posted - 2005.10.02 13:08:00 -
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I just hope they make the Chinese Sever/Cluster/Galaxy/Universe/Dimension different and so that Tranq high end players have the capibility to travel to it and beat some A.
I been playing MMOs too long, I have noticed and have many asian friends that do not want to be excluded from the World, I would think it would be a sad day indeed if CPP bought into the line of thinking that asians should be treated different, that simple does not feel 'real' to me. The Universe is in fact equally nice and nasty to all.
Yes perhaps I think CPP might be counting thier chickens before they are hatched with some figures branded about of a potential of 300k users etc, atm they only figures guys, nothing more. Sure ok set up a server there, they will need it, with figures like that they prolly need many BUT!!! please make it so Tranq high end players at least can travel to it ingame. Such an ability would please the asians to know they can get some gear through for thier friends at least. Make the map of thier server vastly different from Tranq's too. Imagine in a year a massive war between the 2 zones...yes I can see potential to this but only if handled right. Don't forget us players CPP, we the the ones that pay your bills, feed your children, provide holidays and hookers etc=)
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