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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.07.31 20:48:00 -
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How about fixing it?
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DeltroNomicoN
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Posted - 2003.07.31 21:14:00 -
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please fix it.
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Keltin
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Posted - 2003.07.31 21:32:00 -
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Fix what about it?
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pyrex
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Posted - 2003.07.31 23:09:00 -
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Please fix it.
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Elemental Shadow
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Posted - 2003.08.01 00:48:00 -
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Although mining drone skill allows you to use drones, training it to level 2 or higher doesn't increase the amount of ore the drones mine.
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Bashar
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Posted - 2003.08.01 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Bashar on 03/08/2003 15:40:45
yes please fix it, I know they know about it and even said they had fixed it once...but I'm still seeing no differnce in mining drone speed or amount based on skill levels (some people say its afects speed some say amount)
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Keltin
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Posted - 2003.08.01 05:19:00 -
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Well so far my drones are getting 10% more ore per trip just like they should.
I have been watching it very closely and ever since last patch it has been working fine, I only use 3 drones so maybe more than three is causing a problem?
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.08.01 06:35:00 -
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please fix it (if it was fixed thoses harvester drones would be getting 2 bistot per cycle, not 1... big difference :) )
please fix it :)
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Ogmios
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Posted - 2003.08.01 07:56:00 -
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The bonus it gives is not to the fixed size cargo hold of the drones but to thier speed at harvesting. So as you level up the skill, they go faster making more trips per hour instead.
i.e. At level 2 (+10%), instead of say 50 round trips per hour they can make 55 round trips per hour. Though its hard to really notice this unless you are glued to the roid so they dont have to travel far.
I have noticed that they unload faster than my mining lasers do. When I start, they both unload about the same time, but after a while, they are several seconds ahead of the mining laser cycle.
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bon Hedus on 01/08/2003 11:32:15
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The bonus it gives is not to the fixed size cargo hold of the drones but to thier speed at harvesting. So as you level up the skill, they go faster making more trips per hour instead
If this is the case, then the description to the skill should say "gives 5% bonus to mining speed".
5% bonus to mining YEILD infers quantity/amount of ore mined.
I'm sorry but either change the description because it is misleading, or FIX THE DANG SKILL.
Thanks.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:40:00 -
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fix the skill, better that way so it works like mining (and because i want that extra bistot per harvester ;p)
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Scampi Friti
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:47:00 -
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The drones have a fixed amount of cargo so u won't see them dump bigger amounts in your cargo they just fill theirs faster and thus fly faster back to your ship.
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Cleric
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Posted - 2003.08.01 12:24:00 -
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I'm with Muaddid, bring on the 2 bistot per cycle! All they need to do is increase the cargo capacity of the harvewster from 30 to 32. Pruty Puhleasssssse!
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bon Hedus on 01/08/2003 14:37:53
The drones don't need a "fixed cargo hold." There is the Planck Bubble Technology now. Instead of the 30m3 cargo hold, drone YIELD at 2x mining drone skill should be 33.075m3. It isn't so the skill must be broken
Also, they don't mine any faster. They still have a cycle time of 60 seconds. If the skill was modifying that, it should be 54.15 seconds for lvl 2 mining drone skill. It isn't. The skills should say 5% bonus to MINING SPEED. It doesn't so the skill must be broken.
If the skill was modifying the Drone speed, Harvesters travel at 250 m/s. They still travel at 250 m/s at mining drone lvl 2 instead of the 275.625 they would be at if the skill was working. The skill doesn't say +5% bonus to mining drone SPEED. The skill must be broken.
I'm sorry but your arguments are bogus. The skill is broken and should be fixed.
Thanks
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.01 23:47:00 -
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bump, because I would like to know
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.02 23:42:00 -
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I would still like to know the Dev's view on this. It would settle a lot of issues.
Thanks
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.08.03 01:55:00 -
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The drones have a fixed amount of cargo so u won't see them dump bigger amounts in your cargo they just fill theirs faster and thus fly faster back to your ship.
Yup, drones do have a fixed cargo hold. Last time I checked (about 15 seconds ago), it was 1200. So they should have more than enough space for a second bistot rock. 
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.03 14:54:00 -
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I raised a similar question over a month ago. I put in 2 detailed bug reports and waited patiently through 2 patches. The arguments from my question and questions raised by others went back and forth across the boards over whether the skill was broken or not and at no time did a Dev step in and say anything. Also, nothing changed with the skill.
I firmly believe the skill is broken and should be fixed. At this time none of the variables on the drone have been changed by my mining drone lvl 2 skill.
The way the skill description is worded infers that the skill should add to the amount the drones mine and not to the speed of the drone or how fast it mines.
I do not feel like letting this subject die, so I will keep bumping it until one of 3 things happen.
1. The devs respond and let us know the deal.
2. The skill gets fixed.
3. This thread gets locked.
Thanks.
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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.08.04 01:01:00 -
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I agree, it's broken, please fix, it does jack atm
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.04 01:23:00 -
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If it is broken then I agree it should be fixed. I used drones to mine and I'm don't want to waste points training ANOTHER skill that doesn't work like my Trade skill, my Barter skill, my Black Market skill.... I know you people have other skills that don't work. Formation skills anyone?
Also fix Serpentis Drug Couriers armor. 
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Katt
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Posted - 2003.08.04 06:14:00 -
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This appears to be fixed on Tranquility now...
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.04 06:22:00 -
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NO it's not fixed on tranquility.
No matter what the skill is supposed to do, speed up the time it takes to mine the ore and return, or in fact increase the yeild per minute, it does neither one.
This has not worked since release to my knowledge. It worked fine at the end of beta.
In fact they take longer then one minute as the return slowly creeps based against the cycle time of miners. Miners hit every minute and you notice the return of the drones gets longer and longer past each miner cycle.
This is now based on harvesters but it was the same with basic drones. At one point they didn't work at all and just lollied about maybe returning some ore if they felt like it. It's been a while since i've used those.
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:07:00 -
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Mining skill description for Lasers: Skill for mining asteroids. +5% Bonus to mining yield. What it does is give 5% to the mining laser skill which is an increase in the amount of ore mined.
Mining skill description for drones: Skill at controlling mining drones. 5% Bonus to mining drone yield.
Hmmm... lets see... similar wording, one gives an increase to the amount of ore mined and not to the cycle time of the miners. Wow! Following that train of logic you might expect the drones to increase the amount of ore they are carrying and not to their flight speed or laser cycle time.
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Ralek
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:25:00 -
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I asked this question to the devs on the CSM meeting before the last one. The answer from TRL was that the skill is indeed broken and that they would give a higher priority to fixing it. Also remember that the dev in charge of skills has been away for a while (can't remember if he was sick or on holydays).
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XCalibre
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:58:00 -
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Mining drones do take exactly a minute to mine the ore. But they also take time to travel to and from the rock you're mining. This is why I always park right next to one rock and use my drones on it while mining another one with my lasers, reduces the time it takes them to travel and means I don't have to move for a while.
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ChaoticGhost
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Posted - 2003.08.04 14:42:00 -
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if you look at the details of the mining drone skill it says 'miningdronespeedbonus' and under it -5. from this i conclude that when you train the skill the drones go slower. good job ccp. (although i could be wrong)
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.08.04 19:07:00 -
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Often you cant rely on the stats page, because for skills such as hull upgrades, it gives 5% armor like the description says, but the stat page says 10% to armor and 5% to hull, which would make it a -bit- too good compared to the others...
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The answer from TRL was that the skill is indeed broken and that they would give a higher priority to fixing it. Also remember that the dev in charge of skills has been away for a while
*nods* i remember reading that, and in the last dev chat, the skill guy was back if i remember right, so if we keep bugging them they might just icnerase the priority of that skill enough so it makes it in a patch... within a year
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ElAwrence
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:55:00 -
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Please fix the skill. It shouldn't just be exploiters that are moving ahead in the game. If I use the ingame system to train a skill, I should benefit from that training.
You should also add the drones in the drone bay to the ship repair menu. "Repair all" would then repair the drones I am carrying.
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Praetorion
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:16:00 -
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Skills increase the size of some ships cargo holds and other "phyiscal" changes to vessels like increasing structure and hps etc. I see no reason why skills should not have the same effect on drones, and every reason FOR it to work this way: So this skill finally works and works visibly so we can move on.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:58:00 -
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why you care about mining drones skills, the level is actually free for me I only trained to lv1, now I'm at lv3, so if it's not working, I still lose nothing.... and if it's working, then it's a bonus for me
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