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Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:15:00 -
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#1) Why so slow... there's battleships faster than this...
#2) Excellent change to test balance of weapon systems and tank types - this ship needs to be more widely available (yes, everyone has one, but only 1, they are irreplaceable)
I predict that projectiles will be the standard fit on this ship
It will be interesting to see if armor or shield fits are standard.
When it has the slot layout for either tank type, and has equal bonuses to every weapon, if any type of tank or weapon becomes dominant, it will be a sign of imbalance. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
796
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:20:00 -
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Seems like a decent exploration ship for people who can't fly T3s. That's about it, I guess.
Oh god. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno
Malefic Motives
178
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:37:00 -
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I'm curious what the community would chose as the weapons on an exploration Gnosis? I figured Heavies for the range, but with the nerfs they're pretty bad at applying damage to small targets and you have the grid for pretty much anything you want, I ended up choosing arties but I'm really not sure. |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
165
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:48:00 -
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My biggest thought on the Gnosis is how much they'll be selling for in Jita.
I'll keep one, sure. But when I get my 5-run BPC I'll be selling those hulls for as much as possible.
http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/
My Pirate Blog |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2013.05.06 08:57:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:#1) Why so slow... there's battleships faster than this...
#2) Excellent change to test balance of weapon systems and tank types - this ship needs to be more widely available (yes, everyone has one, but only 1, they are irreplaceable)
I predict that projectiles will be the standard fit on this ship
It will be interesting to see if armor or shield fits are standard.
When it has the slot layout for either tank type, and has equal bonuses to every weapon, if any type of tank or weapon becomes dominant, it will be a sign of imbalance.
I was almost annoyed when 3 invulns gives me better resists than 1 of each hardener. I've noticed it will do a **** job of passive tank, (unless you use all 6 lows for shield relays.) I'm not sure why but it "feels" like a laser boat to me.
Something else I'll say. Due to the size of the hold it'd be a shame not to use either cap boosters or ASB's depending on tank type. |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
Whores in space
7
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:11:00 -
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Heavy assaults with 2 range rigs and one fuel cache.
[Gnosis, gnosis]
Core Probe Launcher II (Sisters Core Scanner Probe)
5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Target Painter II
100MN Afterburner II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Ballistic Control System II
2x Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
2x Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
This fits fine without any implants at all V.
Some quick stats:
Navy - 32km and 290 dps.
Javelins - 48km range and 230 dps
Rage - ~27km and 350 dps
56k EHP with 11k raw shield HP. Regens 46ehp/s.
Cap life 7m.
780m/s with the AB going. (swap the DCU for a nano II and you get about 860m/s or for an OD II for 880m/s)
Also please note this ship uses gravimetric as it's sensor so talon implants can help you there. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
Aeterna Anima
77
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Posted - 2013.05.06 09:29:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote: (yes, everyone has one, but only 1, they are irreplaceable)
What? Was there a second round of gifts yesterday after I logged off? |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
223
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:12:00 -
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I'm going to have to play on Singularity and see what it can do, but my gut feeling is to fit one of mine full on brawl and go lose it in spectacular fashion, it's not like it cost me anything  :
[Gnosis-Dual Prop Brawl]
[High Slots]
Heavy Ion Blaster II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II - Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[Med Slots]
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I - Tracking Speed Disruption Script
Medium Capacitor Booster II - Navy Cap Booster 800
[Low Slots]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
[Rigs]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
[Drones]
Hammerhead II x 5
Warrior II x 5
Does 611dps / 686 O/H dps, 54k tank, but oh god it's SOOO SLOOOW! 
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Georgia Aguilar
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:32:00 -
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So, I am curious, what price point do you see the Gnosis at? Remember, there will be at least a small influx due to the 5 run BPOs (not sure if there are plans to add them as drop somewhere either).
Thanks,
G
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Miyahon
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:49:00 -
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The price point was hovering between 190-220 this morning.
I don't expect people will get their 5 run copies until October when they release the collectors edition :shrug: |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
797
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Posted - 2013.05.06 10:51:00 -
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I don't know how many of the collector sets will sell, but I'm going to just guess 10,000-20,000. I'd say the number of Gnosi in the game will be 500k-600k. There's certainly no short supply of them. Prospectors are buying them up now for a profit later, but I don't think it's worth it.
I sold 2 this morning for 180m each and kept a third one but the prices have come down steadily because of players cashing in on them. If the prices stay too high, they won't sell all that well because T1 BCs are so much cheaper... They're only worth that price tag to explorers who will eventually train T3 cruisers, so that is a limited market. Collectors may feel they're worth something, but they will already have their own anyway.
I think they will be a niche market item which will probably settle around 100m for the players who might buy one or two for exploration. There is also a chance of CCP re-releasing them later, maybe as a reward for the buddy program or something else. They will never reach the value of something extremely desirable like a tournament reward.
Oh god. |
Georgia Aguilar
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 11:09:00 -
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Good analysis. I agree with it for the most part, but think a price point of about 150 will be realistic. Time will tell.
G- |
M'iranna
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 11:10:00 -
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Georgia Aguilar wrote:So, I am curious, what price point do you see the Gnosis at? Remember, there will be at least a small influx due to the 5 run BPOs (not sure if there are plans to add them as drop somewhere either).
Thanks,
G
I don't think that the collectors edition will affect the prices. How many of those will be bought? Maybe a thousand? That's 5 thousand ships. CCP handed out maybe 100 thousand today. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:22:00 -
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I predict that mine will be in a station container, repackaged... along with all the other "gifts" I have gotten in the past...
Look at all the Macks in local...impressive...very impressive...I see you have fashioned a new exhumer...much like you father's...your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen. |
Charlie Jacobson
84
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:29:00 -
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It's an awesome ship with lots of different fitting options. I suspect this will actually be used a lot, unlike most limited edition ships. I will certainly keep one in a can just in case they become an endangered species, but I'll also purchase some to use :D |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation
Existential Anxiety
57
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:35:00 -
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i think the scan bonus might make the lg virtue set more or less obsolete ? |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:45:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote: (yes, everyone has one, but only 1, they are irreplaceable)
What? Was there a second round of gifts yesterday after I logged off?
Yes. They changed the Sarum Magnate to Gnosis at midnight. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:22:00 -
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You can do some interesting things with this hull. That said, I notice that the fitting is tight enough that you need to match your weapons with your tank - low CPU/high PG weapons with a shield tank, high CPU/low PG weapons with an armour tank (and HMLs are just plain difficult to fit). So it's a pretty nice shield+beam BC, which is pretty unique, I think.
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Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:36:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:Yes. They changed the Sarum Magnate to Gnosis at midnight.
Wait what?
I redeemed a Sarum Magnate, and then logged on later to redeem a Gnosis...
Did the Magnate dissappear, or convert (will I have 2 of these?)?
Or if you didn't redeem it yesterday, is it not available today for redeeming? |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:44:00 -
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I am not quite sure. But yesterday I redeemed a few Sarum Magnates on my accounts. This morning I logged in another account I from which I haven't redeemed the Sarum Magnate yesterday as he is in deep low sec and have seen, that there was the Gnosis I was missing yesterday. Haven't redeemed them, but I think Sarum Magnate was not in the list anymore. But I am not quite sure. The only thing I know, that yesterday the Sarum Magnate was part of the list, this morning Gnosis (as well). |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
800
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Posted - 2013.05.06 14:46:00 -
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The Magnate was only redeemable for one day.
Oh god. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
390
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Posted - 2013.05.06 15:10:00 -
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The 1st redeem items list had an expiration date of 1 day.
The Gnosis is good until 6/1 I think..
I shield fit mine with AC's.
700 DPS overheated
55k EHP forgot to overheat, so add15%? Totally omni tanked, no specific tank mods.
1750ish M/S overheated
Best resist is in the hull, so yeah, hull tank ftw.
I like the ship a LOT! I would probably fly 1 or 2 until they die. Then keep 1 or 2 for collectables. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:10:00 -
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I also note that there are no skill requirements... though obviously it would be nice to be able to use medium turrets/missiles...
A day old noob can jump into this ship.
However... its so damn slow, I thought perhaps this could change.... 7.5% velocity bones per level of Minmatar Battlecruiser -> gets is base speed up to a respectable 165 (206 with navigation 5)
Of course, Minatar BC is also the logical choice for the projectile bonus...
So if I were to change it, I'd add skill bonuses (but not prereqs?)
Minnie BC: 7.5% speed per level, 5% medium projectile per level
Caldari BS: 5% missile damage per level, 5% shield resist per level
Gallente: 5% hybrid damage per level, 10% drone damage and HP per level
Amarr: 5% laser damage per level, 5% armor resist per level
Then it would pwn... ie more speed and resists |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
76
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:18:00 -
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TL;DR Who cares it's a FREE Ship!! It has the fitting slots and bonuses to fit/fly however ANY player wishes it to. It's also a spec ed ship and therefore no amount of complaining of the forums will likely ever get CCP to change anything on it.
Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb
Sanctuary Pact
39
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:26:00 -
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I'm playing around with mine as an exploration boat for the time between now and when I can fly a Loki. A corp mate and I ran through a 4/10 site yesterday and came out with some shiny loot, so it's already done a decent job in that role.
I started out giving it a shot as a passive tank but quickly gave up on the idea when I had to warp out of a site twice to recharge my shields in station. Definitely not this ship's forte if you want to do any respectable DPS. I'm now rolling with an active shield tank to see how that works out. I'll probably toy with it a bit more before I settle on anything.
This ship's speed is downright awful. It moves like a typhoon. Being a primarily Minmatar pilot, it's quite a shock to only move at 339m/s with an afterburner on. Kiting is almost impossible without a MWD. Its slow speed is really the only thing I don't like about it.
All in all, I like this ship a lot and can look past the terrible speed due to it's incredible versatility. You can fit it up however you want. The resistances are all evenly balanced which is amazing for a long range cross-region exploration trek. Slapping a couple adaptive resistance mods on this thing lets you be ready for anything you could come across. I'm about two months from flying a loki (another month for the hull, plus a month for some more support skills) and I plan to fly this beast as my exploration ship until then. Or until it explodes. Whichever comes first. |
Nalha Saldana
Sickology
715
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:40:00 -
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Sure it's slow but it's mass is incredibly awesome so this ship should be flown with a shield tank and a mwd otherwise it will be crap.
It's also a terrible pve ship because it's cap and shield recharge is terrible, buffer fit it with 2LSE and 2 invulns or similar. Maybe it works with buffer tank in the new exploration sites. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
172
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:45:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:You can do some interesting things with this hull. That said, I notice that the fitting is tight enough that you need to match your weapons with your tank - low CPU/high PG weapons with a shield tank, high CPU/low PG weapons with an armour tank (and HMLs are just plain difficult to fit). So it's a pretty nice shield+beam BC, which is pretty unique, I think.
This, and an armor/missile platform will be the more interesting uses imho. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:46:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:TL;DR Who cares it's a FREE Ship!! It has the fitting slots and bonuses to fit/fly however ANY player wishes it to. It's also a spec ed ship and therefore no amount of complaining of the forums will likely ever get CCP to change anything on it.
Yes, its very nice, the first free ship that may actually be useful (without being identical to a t1 frigate *cough* Sarum Magnate * cough*)
But CCP could do a limited release, to test the waters first, and then make it available through LP stores (add a SOCT LP store, and some agents? or just make it buyable with concord LP converted to SOCT LP?).
And my point about it being a platform for assessing balance of tank and weapon types still stands. |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
132
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:54:00 -
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Hmmm... I'm currently moving to another city right now so I've set battle cruisers 5 in the queue and not been able to log since last week. I won't be logging until next weekend. Have I totally missed out on all the freebies?
The gnosis is awesome, I played around with it on sisi. I'd be gutted if I've missed getting one on tq |
Provence Tristram
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:56:00 -
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I can't wait for the prices to rise a little so I can sell my Gnosis. It's easily one of the top 5 ugliest boats in EVE. Good riddance when it's gone. |
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