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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
891
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:05:00 -
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The Ray of Matar has not even been put into her grave yet and she is already rolling over in it. The utter disgust and sadness her spirit must be feeling at the moment is too much for one to even fathom.
(For the sake of clarification, in the following, I am referring to the Republic as a government entity and am making no reference to the Minmatar people or tribes.)
This blatant and unjustifiable action by the Republic shows what little regard the government has for the laws, practices, and sovereignty of their allies. Decades of political, economic, and military support and this is how we are re-payed for it? Generations of giving to the Republic expecting nothing but friendship in return and these despicable acts are how they say thank you?
The Republic is a nation of hypocrites to the highest degree! Constantly accusing others of not respecting their culture, laws, and sovereignty while not hesitating for even a moment to completely butcher the culture, laws, and sovereignty of others.
I say, all bets are off. It's time to cut ties with the Republic unless reparations and reforms regarding an alliance are properly made.
Ugh, first Tibus Heth's plan to nationalize Caldari Corps, now this. How the heck am I going to keep the serious-yet-lighthearted tone of Fred Fred Frederation this week when everything is making my blood boil? Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:24:00 -
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I cant say i knew the Ray of Matar, or that the Federation in this matter couldent have acted better, but having read up abit of her acts in life and what she were standing for, to me this action carried out by Matar pilots, is anything but honoring the Ray of Matar, if She were alive, and a equal situation had happened, do you think that this was how she would have handled it ?, or would have like it to be handled ?
I probably think she might have said something like a "eye for an eye, doesent equal justice, it will just make the universe blind !" |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
366
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:54:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Mentas Blaque and Thoun Gatarau.... How many souls have you slaughtered today? Now and in the future? So you would justify the Tribals actions? For Gods sake!
I am a Cartel member a known criminal, suspected assassin and admitted murderer, and still a better friend to the Federation than you.
What twisted logic can you be following.
The Federation denies extradition to the former Republic of a criminal who committed crimes in the Federation, and for that offence you blame the very men who would defend us from the barbarians at the pounding at the gate. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
127
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:00:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:
Great ******* job the lot of you.
Indeed. ******* idiots to a man. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
124
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:31:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote: I am a Cartel member a known criminal, suspected assassin and admitted murderer, and still a better friend to the Federation than you.
"better friend".
It amazes me that this fact does not tell you about the priorities of the Federal Intelligence Office are misguided. . .
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:10:00 -
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In light of this second surprise attack on the part of Shakor's government, I would strongly suggest that the Republic's best course of action is to remove the tyrant Shakor from power, try him as a war criminal, and sue for peace.
As long as Shakor lives in power, there can be no peace. With him gone, there might be hope. Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.-á |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1329
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:34:00 -
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First the Minmatars attacked Yulai and the Federation did nothing, because Yulai is not a Federation system.
Then the Minmatars attacked Domain, and the Federation did nothing because Domain is not a Federation region.
Now the Minmatars have attacked Colelie, and there is no excuse for the Federation to not act.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1329
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:37:00 -
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Ugleb wrote:The death of a Ray of Matar is a sacred matter to us, for want of a better word they might grasp.
Weren't you a member of Ushra'Khan when they put a bounty on Midular's head?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:44:00 -
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What surprises me is that during this highly political conflict, there where no diplomats on the scene. Several times either side choose their words very poorly, escalating the conflict where a decent diplomat would not have. |
Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
8
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:53:00 -
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I personally fired my Weapons at the Minmatar Naglfars, they invaded the teritory of my loved Federation and shoot at our Navy. THAT has to be answered, and the answer was given.
Nethertheless i understand what was the cause for the action of this Minmatar fleet and we must say that our authorities had enough time to bring forward information and punishment about the shooting. So in "making a point" i fully agree with the Minmatar standpoint, but not in what was actually done. To "make a point" there would have been many much better options.
So how to go on? I leave this for the government of the Federation in which i have full trust. I will support any actions, even a war against Minmatar. But surely i hope for a peaceful solution of this mess.
But i also see the honor as well in the personal actions of the Minmatar people who died in Colelie. They only did what they thought was needed for their nation. As i respect this, i offer to pay for the rents of any relatives of ordinary crewmemebers of the Naglfars i shoot upon. |
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Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
8
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:55:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:First the Minmatars attacked Yulai and the Federation did nothing, because Yulai is not a Federation system.
Then the Minmatars attacked Domain, and the Federation did nothing because Domain is not a Federation region.
Now the Minmatars have attacked Colelie, and there is no excuse for the Federation to not act.
Shut up slaver!
Its soo obvious you Amar will try to make the best out of this situation. This is a internal affair between the Minmatar and the Federation.
You, slaver, just shut up. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
45
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:12:00 -
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And you wouldn't do exactly the same if our positions were reversed? My alt has two Gnosis, how does he smell?Awful. |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
45
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:19:00 -
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I'd like to extend my condolences to the families of the crewmen slaughtered by the minmatar fleet.
Many of you will remember that the loyalist capsuleers have warned you about the blood thirsty nature of the minmatar.
The Amarr empire offered these subhumans refuge and enlightenment for decades in the hope to uplift them from their tribal savagery. This kindness was repayed with bloodshed and violence.
Now, many years later these barbarians are repaying your kindness in the same manner. We have warned you about this, again and again.
However, it is not yet too late to take descisive action. Allow the Amarr Empire to bring an end to this tribal menace.
Let there be peace in this wartorn galaxy once more. |
Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:23:00 -
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I was there with the Fcord fleet, intending to jam down both sides in case of fighting. However, due to the fact that Dreadnoughts were involved, this strategy proved fruitless.
Before the engagement there were desperate pleas from all sides to the Republic Taskforce to stand down and not commit this folly. These pleas fell on deaf ears.
In the end, the Republic Taskforce opened fire and was defeated by the combined forces of the Federation and its supporting Capsuleers.
Some questions remain;
- Who ordered this incursion? Is it from the Top of the Republic Leadership or was it ordered from a lower echelon without the Republic Leadership's knowledge? The answer to this question will be very important for future Federation-Republic relations.
- What was exactly the plan? Barging in with Dreadnoughts seems highly provocative. It would be very easy to detect and the response would be very clear to all involved. Republic planners must have given green light to the fleet commander in order to use force or the Republic fleet would not have committed this folly.
Was it an attempt to brow-beat the Federation? From a tactical and strategic point of view, the operation made no sense.
Tactical; it would have been much more wise to use stealth and guile in order to "retrieve" the shooter. Not use an easy detectable and unsupported fleet of Dreadnoughts.
Unless this attack was a diversion while the stealth and guile was used to retrieve the shooter, but no information regarding this is known at this time.
Strategic; This would heavily hurt relations between the Federation and the Republic. Even if there was no fighting, even if the shooter would be retrieved, this would have dire consequences for Republic-Federation relations.
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Laria Raven
Utopian Research I.E.L.
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:25:00 -
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Well, I was fantastic and it was a very pretty show. Better than fireworks, any day. -- Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L.
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:57:00 -
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I'm not used to being jealous of Laria. I always seem to miss the best shows. |
Dahacai Laguz
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:14:00 -
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Friendships and alliances come and go and nothing lasts forever. This simply had to happen and I for one am glad that the outcome wasn't significantly affected by outside capsuleer action. My motive for being there was to try and stop this kind of interference. Taking a side with your chosen faction is fine but thinking that you can simply disable two massive fighting forces from clashing is both ridiculous and arrogant. |
Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
21
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:44:00 -
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While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side. I am not going to condemn how the Minmatar people see their justice, but I am fairly sure that the Ray of Matar would not condemn to this kind of pointless bikcering over a single person, regardless of what he did and where.
I just hope the Federation and the Republic can come to a conclusion and not have their dispute escalate to a war, especially after the whole Caldari Prime incident. Immortality is overrated. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
895
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:59:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side.
Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
21
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:02:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side. Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back.
I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them. Immortality is overrated. |
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
896
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:13:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:
I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them.
Ah, I see what you meant. I too wonder why they did this, nothing could justify it of course.
Yulai was just the beginning, and Colelie was just the end of Act One. The Republic (particularly the Shakor administration) is on a quest to achieve domination through creating chaos and usurping peace and stability. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1337
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:48:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side. Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back. I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them.
It's almost as though that single man knows something that the Shakorites don't want revealed - at any cost.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1117
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:49:00 -
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It indicates that the "Republic Fleet was acting under direct orders from the Tribal Council" and they are responsible for this unnecessary loss of lives. The one that we recently greeted with with joy. |
Tootenh'amon
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:52:00 -
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As an imigrant in Federation space I have to say that this is a terrible turn of events, but truth be said, the issue of the assassin's identity and custody should have been resolved long ago. Federation really isn't living up to it's reputation as an ally. |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Nulli Legio
17
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:56:00 -
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With the amount of assistance the Federation has given the Republic since their independence (and I suspect even before that) I can't believe they would be stupid enough to do this again. I'm deeply sorry that Midular is dead but nothing justifies launching an attack on what until recently was your closest ally.
As for the outbreak of violence, I don't condone it one bit but I can understand why over the last few years we have had a Caldari invasion of Luminaire, Uriam Kador invading Solitude, Sansha and his mad hordes and that doesn't cover the ongoing militia war. If you keep poking even the most restrained bear it will snap at some point.
If this does turn out to have been an order from the highest levels of Republic government I hope the Federation starts demanding the extradition of those responsible, it was the Republic that took down the jammer, it was the Republic that crossed the boarder and it was the Republic that fired first. The death of one person does not give anyone the right to kill 36,000+ people, no matter how sacred their position is. |
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
345
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Posted - 2013.05.08 20:57:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Ugleb wrote:The death of a Ray of Matar is a sacred matter to us, for want of a better word they might grasp. Weren't you a member of Ushra'Khan when they put a bounty on Midular's head?
Yes, and I do not regret it at all. I do not consider Midular to have lived up to her potential and at times she has fallen far short of it.
The 1 ISK 'bounty' I have always considered symbolic, we never attempted to end Midular's life nor did we, or anyone with any sense, ever expect that bounty to actually provide a motive for someone to go out and claim it. If I were seriously attempting to hasten a death with ISK, then I would go about it differently.
I do not grieve for Midular, as I never came to see eye to eye with her. But I draw a distinction between the politician and the spiritual symbol of our ways. As a Ray I her passing moves me in a way her office does not. It was ever my hope that as she lived she might yet offer a greater contribution than her political career ever did. That possibility was taken from us, and that I mourn. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/
The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.-á Join channel JORIS to learn more! |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
117
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:43:00 -
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The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.
I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you. |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
38
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:02:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.
I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you.
Thanks for reminding me to make a note to shoot you down before you have a chance next time.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
119
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:03:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.
I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you. Thanks for reminding me to make a note to shoot you down before you have a chance next time.
The greatest irony of our time. Fire at me in Colelie and your precious CONCORD will vaporize you. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
101
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:04:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.
I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you. I think Master Sansha needs to tweak your neural implants a bit. You seem to be displaying a larger-than-normal level of poor manners in comparison to your ilk. After all, with such a demeanor I doubt people would find Nation appealing! |
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