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Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:38:00 -
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I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them. |

Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:02:00 -
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The Gnosis is not a bad Battlecruiser. It's tank with the standard DCU and rigs for 1 LSE and 2 Invulns is 60k, 1 1600 and 2 EANM's is 70k which is average and that is across the board with no resist weakness which is unique. Her DPS is not bad either with 5 bonused turrets and 5 bonused drones up to mediums with a set of lights for Frigs, not great but okay with a full choice of weapons. Good cap, normal BC speed with Cruiser align time and Scan Res. Armor tanked she has a lot of EWAR, Shield tanked she has a lot of Dmg / Nano. Great fitting for her layout that supports armor and shield well. It has plenty of good quality.
All together the Gnosis's omni ability is unique but her stats make her an average Battlecruiser and those two other Battlecruiser you listed are worse than the Gnosis in certain other area's, which is a common type of criticism, pick one area where a ship is better than use it as an example of why another is bad ignoring everything else. Gnosis isn't terrible, just average, it would not be likely to see much more use than any other if it wasn't so expensive but it would see use.
That is the only problem with the Gnosis, she is short on numbers and high on cost, that is why I hope she is introduced into full Battlecruiser production, a paint job can be used to keep the current collectors items.
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Juicy Pop
Sancta Terra
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:04:00 -
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For one, I don't believe it is of Jovian origin.
Plain and simple, it is an exploration boat for people who don't have access to a T3. It can shine in certain fits, but you cannot fit it like a Brutix and expect it to even come close. |

xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:05:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them.
Its OP because you can fit any weapon system to it and it is effective. You want a missile armor ship. You got it. Shield Laser ship? You got it You want to fit 2 projectiles 2 lasers 1 blaster and 1 missile launcher....yeah you can do that too.
It has an equal boost to everything. And a slot layout that begs to be toyed with. |

StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
166
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:06:00 -
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Correct me if i-¦m wrong:
The Gnosis is a civil ship, not a battlecruiser. Don-¦t compare it with our battlecruisers - more like use the Opus Luxury Yacht to compare ;) For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
144
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:07:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:[quote=Aron Binchiette] You want to fit 2 projectiles 2 lasers 1 blaster and 1 missile launcher....yeah you can do that too.
bad idea since you're mixing different engagement ranges and damage increasing low slots will only affect one of those types. |

Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:10:00 -
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Any ship that has so many diverse options will (obviously) need to be sub par to the specialist "best in breed" hulls. Otherwise balance goes right out the window. If its better than a brutix today and a super drake tomorrow and myrmidon next teusday then very soon we won't see any of those others.
This is what (some) people believe the T3 cruisers should have been. Sub par at everything but infinitely able to just scrape by. So thank goodness our T3 boats aren't all like my poor legion. |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:13:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: Armor tanked she has a lot of EWAR space, Shield tanked she has a lot of Dmg / Nano room. Great fitting for her slot layout that leaves a lot of room to play around with armor or shield.
Armor Tanked the Gnosis is seriously lacking in CPU I was having problems fitting it without leaving 3 of the midslots empty and when having less EHP then a Brutix something is wrong, shield tanked the thing is too damn slow to be nano so that leaves it as a brawler which the ferox is king of shield brawling BC's. and I did try to look at al the stats and they just didn't seem to be enough good things about the setups to counteract its bad parts for me. I have not however tried every possible weapons setup I only tried Blaster and AC fits because those are the 2 I am best with. |

Juicy Pop
Sancta Terra
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:16:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: Armor tanked she has a lot of EWAR space, Shield tanked she has a lot of Dmg / Nano room. Great fitting for her slot layout that leaves a lot of room to play around with armor or shield. Armor Tanked the Gnosis is seriously lacking in CPU I was having problems fitting it without leaving 3 of the midslots empty and when having less EHP then a Brutix something is wrong, shield tanked the thing is too damn slow to be nano so that leaves it as a brawler which the ferox is king of shield brawling BC's. and I did try to look at al the stats and they just didn't seem to be enough good things about the setups to counteract its bad parts for me. I have not however tried every possible weapons setup I only tried Blaster and AC fits because those are the 2 I am best with.
CPU is definitely the most glaring weakness of the hull. |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:17:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them. Its OP because you can fit any weapon system to it and it is effective. You want a missile armor ship. You got it. Shield Laser ship? You got it You want to fit 2 projectiles 2 lasers 1 blaster and 1 missile launcher....yeah you can do that too. It has an equal boost to everything. And a slot layout that begs to be toyed with.
Yes the being able to fit any weapon system is a nice perk but in no way is that OP and your example of fail fitting the highs, although I do understand what you mean, doesn't exactly complement your argument |
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Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:19:00 -
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Juicy Pop wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: Armor tanked she has a lot of EWAR space, Shield tanked she has a lot of Dmg / Nano room. Great fitting for her slot layout that leaves a lot of room to play around with armor or shield. Armor Tanked the Gnosis is seriously lacking in CPU I was having problems fitting it without leaving 3 of the midslots empty and when having less EHP then a Brutix something is wrong, shield tanked the thing is too damn slow to be nano so that leaves it as a brawler which the ferox is king of shield brawling BC's. and I did try to look at al the stats and they just didn't seem to be enough good things about the setups to counteract its bad parts for me. I have not however tried every possible weapons setup I only tried Blaster and AC fits because those are the 2 I am best with. CPU is definitely the most glaring weakness of the hull. Agreed, when I first saw that scanner bonus I was thinking "finally a ship that you can fit a combat scanner on and pvp in that doesn't cost a fortune" then I saw the CPU |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:21:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:Correct me if i-¦m wrong:
The Gnosis is a civil ship, not a battlecruiser. Don-¦t compare it with our battlecruisers - more like use the Opus Luxury Yacht to compare ;) it is in the combat battecruiser classification |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:23:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Any ship that has so many diverse options will (obviously) need to be sub par to the specialist "best in breed" hulls. Otherwise balance goes right out the window. If its better than a brutix today and a super drake tomorrow and myrmidon next teusday then very soon we won't see any of those others.
This is what (some) people believe the T3 cruisers should have been. Sub par at everything but infinitely able to just scrape by. So thank goodness our T3 boats aren't all like my poor legion. If this was a ship that was in normal supply I would agree, but considering this ship is in limited supply I why not make it better then al the other BC's by just a little in each of their roles so that there is more incentive to use it in pvp |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:The Gnosis is not a bad Battlecruiser. It's buffer tank is pretty standard. In my opinion any BC with less EHP then a brutix is not a standard tank. |

Alara IonStorm
4988
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:34:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Gnosis is not a bad Battlecruiser. It's buffer tank is pretty standard. In my opinion any BC with less EHP then a brutix is not a standard tank. It has 6% less HP with twice the agility and 50% more Scan Res.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Amarr 7th Fleet
224
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:40:00 -
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If only we could to do multiple quotes in same post.......... |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:41:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:The Gnosis is not a bad Battlecruiser. It's buffer tank is pretty standard. In my opinion any BC with less EHP then a brutix is not a standard tank. It has 6% less HP with twice the agility and 50% more Scan Res. it also has 17% less DPS and 13% slower and I have found in battle your scan res and agility on an armor ship are the least of your worries |

Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
32
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:44:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Any ship that has so many diverse options will (obviously) need to be sub par to the specialist "best in breed" hulls. Otherwise balance goes right out the window. If its better than a brutix today and a super drake tomorrow and myrmidon next teusday then very soon we won't see any of those others.
This is what (some) people believe the T3 cruisers should have been. Sub par at everything but infinitely able to just scrape by. So thank goodness our T3 boats aren't all like my poor legion. If this was a ship that was in normal supply I would agree, but considering this ship is in limited supply I why not make it better then al the other BC's by just a little in each of their roles so that there is more incentive to use it in pvp
I'll spot you the limited supply, but that really becomes a cost issue more than an incentive issue. At least until supply from a million alts taper off. Was there a bpc of any kind for these or were they one off ships? I never bothered to look into it and just assumed it was a novelty hanger ornament.
Also imagine the uproar if the gnosis out performed EVERY BC.
Instead a half dozen threads about how one omni hull is only average s&m gets flooded by end of the world threads about every BC on the eve of the skill changes. I'll pass on that. |

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
185
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:46:00 -
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kids these days... |

Alara IonStorm
4988
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:51:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote: it also has 17% less DPS and 13% slower and I have found in battle your scan res and agility on an armor ship are the least of your worries
So? Put a TD on it and or Duel Prop her or what not. It has six mids to the Brutix's four. Get creative, use that utility.
Different strengths. If you are more comfortable in a Brutix use it, the Gnosis isn't meant to replace anything. |
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Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:51:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Any ship that has so many diverse options will (obviously) need to be sub par to the specialist "best in breed" hulls. Otherwise balance goes right out the window. If its better than a brutix today and a super drake tomorrow and myrmidon next teusday then very soon we won't see any of those others.
This is what (some) people believe the T3 cruisers should have been. Sub par at everything but infinitely able to just scrape by. So thank goodness our T3 boats aren't all like my poor legion. If this was a ship that was in normal supply I would agree, but considering this ship is in limited supply I why not make it better then al the other BC's by just a little in each of their roles so that there is more incentive to use it in pvp I'll spot you the limited supply, but that really becomes a cost issue more than an incentive issue. At least until supply from a million alts taper off. Was there a bpc of any kind for these or were they one off ships? I never bothered to look into it and just assumed it was a novelty hanger ornament. Also imagine the uproar if the gnosis out performed EVERY BC. Instead a half dozen threads about how one omni hull is only average s&m gets flooded by end of the world threads about every BC on the eve of the skill changes. I'll pass on that. there were 5 run BPC's given to people who ordered the HD stream of fanfest I believe, and personally I don't think there would be that much of an uproar if a limited BC out preformed the common ones. an example of this is that there isn't an uproar of pirate ships out preforming all of the similarly rolled T1 hulls |

Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:52:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote: it also has 17% less DPS and 13% slower and I have found in battle your scan res and agility on an armor ship are the least of your worries
So? Put a TD on it and or Duel Prop her or what not. It has six mids to the Brutix's four. Get creative, use that utility. Different strengths. If you are more comfortable in a Brutix use it, the Gnosis isn't meant to replace anything. good luck finding the CPU for that Fit |

Austin McLaren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:53:00 -
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To answer the op, the Gnosis is a gift and from the gifts of the last 10 years it is quite possibly the best they have given so be thankful they never just gave us a re-skinned shuttle.
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Aron Binchiette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:55:00 -
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Austin McLaren wrote:To answer the op, the Gnosis is a gift and from the gifts of the last 10 years it is quite possibly the best they have given so be thankful they never just gave us a re-skinned shuttle.
yes but I want to use my gift and not be crippling my self in a fleet |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
820
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:11:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:yes but I want to use my gift and not be crippling my self in a fleet Then use something else in a fleet. Oh god. |

xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:14:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:xPredat0rz wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them. Its OP because you can fit any weapon system to it and it is effective. You want a missile armor ship. You got it. Shield Laser ship? You got it You want to fit 2 projectiles 2 lasers 1 blaster and 1 missile launcher....yeah you can do that too. It has an equal boost to everything. And a slot layout that begs to be toyed with. Yes the being able to fit any weapon system is a nice perk but in no way is that OP and your example of fail fitting the highs, although I do understand what you mean, doesn't exactly complement your argument
I was high-lighting the fact that you can do whatever to hell you want with it. It was free and is the swiss army knife of hulls. |

xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:14:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:yes but I want to use my gift and not be crippling my self in a fleet Then use something else in a fleet.
if your in a fleet your small reduction in usefulness shouldnt be felt as much if you were solo |

Alara IonStorm
4988
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:22:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote: good luck finding the CPU for that Fit,
555 CPU is fine for that fit.
Aron Binchiette wrote: and my point isn't that "the brutix is better than the gnosis" it is that for a limited ship it is sub par to all the other BC's why would I use my limited hull that will cost me 200m to replace when I can use the appropriate T1 hull and do that role better than the gnosis
Because you want to fly a Gnosis, no other reason, that is the problem with limited hulls. The solution is not to make an overpowered ship, it is to release it into full T1 production. Until then the Gnosis's use will be as a one time thing or for the very wealthy who want to fly just that.
If you don't want to fly an average special Battlecruiser then don't, mine is a hanger ornament for that reason just like every other limited issue ship.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2696
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:16:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: Armor tanked she has a lot of EWAR space, Shield tanked she has a lot of Dmg / Nano room. Great fitting for her slot layout that leaves a lot of room to play around with armor or shield. Armor Tanked the Gnosis is seriously lacking in CPU I was having problems fitting it without leaving 3 of the midslots empty and when having less EHP then a Brutix something is wrong, shield tanked the thing is too damn slow to be nano so that leaves it as a brawler which the ferox is king of shield brawling BC's. and I did try to look at al the stats and they just didn't seem to be enough good things about the setups to counteract its bad parts for me. I have not however tried every possible weapons setup I only tried Blaster and AC fits because those are the 2 I am best with.
New Brutix has a very nice amount of EHP, and it's a specialized combat BC.
Gnosis is an exploration vessel, designed in one-size-fits-all style. As a result it's massively more versatile, able to operate well in all regions of space and does everything decently, while excelling only in thing- it scans better than other BCs.
I find it a very nice gift and look forward to using it for exploration. For PVP, there are better options.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Ravnik
Choke-Hold Beacon Light Alliance
7158
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:21:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Austin McLaren wrote:To answer the op, the Gnosis is a gift and from the gifts of the last 10 years it is quite possibly the best they have given so be thankful they never just gave us a re-skinned shuttle.
yes but I want to use my gift and not be crippling my self in a fleet
It was FREE!! Stop complaining..Cant please some people 
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly.......... |
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