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Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:28:00 -
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If you are in a fleet and the FC sees you show up in a gnosis he had better pod you for it. Any fleet level FC worth his/her salt will tell you the doc to fleet up in and then assign you jobs. As you pointed out the gnosis fits everything mediocre and nothing supreamly well.
And even if the FC doesn't shoot you first you just volunteered to be alpha'ed off the field at the first gate camp to stand up to kitchen sink fleet for a few kills.
This is NOT a fleet ship. Maybe a small gang option with creative synergy and logi. MAYBE. But the use of the ship is pretty clearly laid out for us as a solo BC hull explorer. And a mediocre one next to the tengu or proti for example.
Honestly I think this is going to be a flash in the pan and then rarely seen again. I've got three I plan to save and sell later. Not worth the effort and effective cost to find worthwhile fits and then lose them at the first gate camp. |
Ra1ne
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:37:00 -
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because its free....... |
Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
71
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:56:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:Correct me if i-¦m wrong:
The Gnosis is a civil ship, not a battlecruiser. Don-¦t compare it with our battlecruisers - more like use the Opus Luxury Yacht to compare ;)
exactly this. It's not meant for fighting, it's meant for baiting/exploration! |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:00:00 -
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Why? As in what makes it terrible, or what reason was it made terrible?
To the first: I think its cap and speed are why its bad. Its cap isn't good enough for lasers, its speed isn't good enough to take advantage of fast shield fits.
To the 2nd: I'm not sure - I guess because its free. So far, its the most usefull free ship we've got - perhaps aside from crap like the Sarum Magnate - which is exactly the same as a normal magnate, except with a reskin. Then there are the quafe catalysts and Iterons So, the precedent is clearly set for free ships that are as good as T1 non navy, non pirate ships. This is unique, in that there is no T1 ship that is close. A battlecruiser with a scan bonus? its certainly novel (in a useful way, not like the primae, or that sansha codebreaking turd, or that solar sail WH ship).
As far as OP'd, who cares, its limited edition - does anyone care if an Adrestia or Freki is OPd? Does anyone care if a Navy issue ship is better than the standard ship - those aren't even limited edition, just a smaller (but still unlimited/renewable supply)?
I can hope/dream that this is a test run for SOCT faction ships to be released and made available much like any other ship, obtained from BPC drops/faction LP stores. If it is a test run for a new faction ship, it allows them to start testing balance, without breaking the game in the interim period, due to the limited edition nature of the ship. |
Doctorkaba
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:04:00 -
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or so i played around with the brutix and gnosis fits and I would love for you to post your brutix fit :D. Please note i am not a gallente specialist but i have some knowledge over fleet fighting...
[Brutix, armor] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator X5 Prototype Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
[Gnosis, Armor] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator X5 Prototype Engine Enervator ECCM Projector II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
For these fits, the brutix wins in all out dps by a fairly nice 120 dps (all lv5 skills) and has like, 100 more m/s with mwd on. However, the gnosis has more ehp because it doesnt need to fill that explosive hole, and it have a loooot more utility, which is what i think the gnosis shines at. The brutix needs a 1% implant to fly that fit (non-meta DCU). Holy cow the gnosis warps as fast as a crusier and has an extra set of light drones!
The gnosis can fit even more with about 30 extra cpu and decent powergrid. I would suggest changing the warp disruptor for another projected ECCM like a good BC should.
Please remember that the gnosis shines also (as metioned before) with the factthat you can fit a decent tank (shield or armor) with what ever guns you want. So you can have a GOOD laser shield boat (which the harby is not :D ) and a good missile armor boat that is viable in fleets. Want some pvp help? Like to fly small and fast frigates? Then join the in game channel Tenori_Tigers! |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:23:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:
To the first: I think its cap and speed are why its bad. Its cap isn't good enough for lasers, its speed isn't good enough to take advantage of fast shield fits.
I don't where this idea that shield ships are fast comes from. Speed tends in practical terms tends to be more about how long one can run the MWD than the raw speed of a BC. As for not enough cap for lasers - if you're in a fleet run a shield buffer tank and throw a couple of flux coils in the lows and you'll have plenty (and lots of space for DPS mods).
The key, as I've said before, is to fit a tank that uses the opposite primary resource from the weapons - shield for lasers and arty, armour for missiles, etc.
I think it's a fun ship (though it is a bit slower than I'd really like), and wish I could afford the Collector's Set for the blueprint. I might have to buy up some hulls if they become cheap enough.
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Major Lunartik
Lunartik Association NZ
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:33:00 -
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Gnosis info states its intended for exploration, nuff said Bro, remember the time we.... no wait, I started to say something.....it will come to meh, and I need a light. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:54:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:Austin McLaren wrote:To answer the op, the Gnosis is a gift and from the gifts of the last 10 years it is quite possibly the best they have given so be thankful they never just gave us a re-skinned shuttle.
yes but I want to use my gift and not be crippling my self in a fleet So use it for its intended purpose: exploration. |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:17:00 -
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At 900m3 of space and 5 turrets, it's the best gas miner now, isn't it? |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
804
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:28:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:At 900m3 of space and 5 turrets, it's the best gas miner now, isn't it?
Venture. |
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Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:29:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Mavnas wrote:At 900m3 of space and 5 turrets, it's the best gas miner now, isn't it? Venture.
Oh that's right. They added something for that. Well, I take that back. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:05:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:I don't where this idea that shield ships are fast comes from. Speed tends in practical terms tends to be more about how long one can run the MWD than the raw speed of a BC.
Lack of mass/speed penalties for the buffer/rigs Free lowslots that can be used for nanos/Overdrive/inertia stabs Enough mids to be able to fit dual prop and tackle |
Hootanany
The Retribution Squad I Know Right
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:09:00 -
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Juicy Pop wrote:For one, I don't believe it is of true Jove origin, SoCT was merely found by a Jovian.
Plain and simple, it is an exploration boat with a uniquely flexible load-out.
It has certain areas where it may shine, but you cannot hope to see every other BC mimicked well in one hull.
Dont seem to able to get the Gnosis into and high sec DED plex sites, jump gate flags it for being a battlecruiser.
Dev's keep the stats be it needs to be reclassed asa cruiser. |
Kat Bandeis
Matar Deep Space Ventures 1121 Ventures
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:21:00 -
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Juicy Pop wrote:For one, I don't believe it is of true Jove origin, SoCT was merely found by a Jovian.
Plain and simple, it is an exploration boat with a uniquely flexible load-out.
It has certain areas where it may shine, but you cannot hope to see every other BC mimicked well in one hull.
This. The cost of entry for a good (ie, tanky) exploration ship is great for this boat, unlike something like a Pilgrim. I've been playing with a few various fits, and it's been working great for me. Planned to fit it out for exploration/combat sites in the next couple days just to play around, but i really like the versatility on this boat. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
44
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:08:00 -
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It has more slots than other BCs, obviously you will run into lack of fitting if you try to fill all with high req stuff. |
Innabiggahurry
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:37:00 -
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The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES
It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
44
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:40:00 -
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Also the bonuses are hardpacked to the hull, dont need skills for performance. Besides for modules etc. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
119
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:09:00 -
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Blaster fit (3 mag stabs, 2 drone damage, dcu II, LSE, invuln II, mwd, 3 utility mids, 3 core def extenders 5 neutrons and a ham) you can push around 1000 dps cold, around 1100 hot with 50k ehp, and get a full flight of ecm drones in addition to damage drones.
And you have 3 utility mids left over for your choice of: tackle (scram double web?), more tank, ewar (sensor damps, tracking disruptors?), sensor boosters (this one's pretty nice, the gnosis has quite a high natural scan res for a BC) or w/e.
It's a pretty sweet ship tbh. |
Parabrahman
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:46:00 -
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I agree with OP. I took my Gnomis to low sec to kill some people but it died. WTF. Blizz needs to buff this. I aint going to battlegrounds with this thing again. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1803
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:06:00 -
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it's a free ship.... youre lucky it has any slots at all, let alone actually be flyable. |
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Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:57:00 -
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Innabiggahurry wrote:The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES
It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly
Yes, pretty amazing how the guy with all 5s in all racial cruisers and BC 5 would fail to notice this. Oh, wait...
What I have always wanted is a ship that could passive shield tank and shoot lasers, sadly the gnosis doesn't do an adequate job of passive shield tanking without a few SPRs. Needless to say that doesn't work so well with shooting lasers.
The drone bonus seems to make its DPS decent no matter what other base weapon system you put on it, so that's good. You still can't split guns because of damage modules. I mean, I guess you could fit long and short range of the same type, but you already have good drones for killing frigs. |
Wyte Ragnarok
49
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:59:00 -
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tl;dr: because it was free. |
Arrigo Glokta
18
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:25:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: stuff
There you go. Like No. 5000 |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:19:00 -
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[Gnosis, Gnosis Surprise]
Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster 10MN Afterburner II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Cynosural Field Generator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65810-Bait-Gnosis.html
The Gnosis is one of the best small gang bait ships in the game. 109k EHP, dual web and point, eccm to withstand jamming and - most of all - a hull that everyone would love to pop without thinking much (no skills needed = every player in the game has one and can fail at fitting/flying it).
Its also a good and versatile WH ship. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
274
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:04:00 -
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Aron Binchiette wrote:I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them.
EVE is not only about theoretical DPS. There are many more factors which can make a ship good... even those with just a few DPS or a low tank. But the Gnosis is really nice, good DPS with good tank and a high number of low and medium slots. I really do not understand why everybody is whining about this ship. You got it for free... and if you do not like it or do not find any uses for it then...
... give it away to me! |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1303
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:26:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Aron Binchiette wrote:I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them. EVE is not only about theoretical DPS. There are many more factors which can make a ship good... even those with just a few DPS or a low tank. But the Gnosis is really nice, good DPS with good tank and a high number of low and medium slots. I really do not understand why everybody is whining about this ship. You got it for free... and if you do not like it or do not find any uses for it then... ... give it away to me!
This. I find it humorous how many people whine about the Gnosis, but still keep it. I've got three alts using three of mine, and I love the heck out of it. =) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Skelee VI
Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:30:00 -
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Obviuosly y'all know nothing about ships. Gnosis is just way to cool! Get better resists and better dps than a hurricane easy! Faster than a brutix! |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
543
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:38:00 -
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The gnosis isn't terrible. In fact it's pretty ******* powerful of a ship to give EVERYONE in the game. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Katsumoto Moliko
Salient Logistics Inc. Insidious Associates
6
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:19:00 -
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Innabiggahurry wrote:The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES
It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly
Being able to sit in it =/= being able to fly it well.
It still takes a notable amount of time invested and SP in the right areas in order to really unlock its full potential. Now, that being said, I personally think it looks awesome, compounded by the fact that its Jovian and was handed out to some 40,000+ people absolutely free.
It was a fun gift from CCP, no denying that.
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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
210
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:37:00 -
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Innabiggahurry wrote:The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES
It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly
Gnosis is the best noobship ever.
It really is. |
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