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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:28:00 -
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Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:49:00 -
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To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause? |
Belthazor4011
2cents Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:51:00 -
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U mad bro?
Now that we got that covered, newer/better/faster ships is a form of improvement. So that respect unless you've reached the ultimate ship that alone can be a reason to do it.
Some people just like being rich in a virtual world. Tons of big games have no real end game, people play Sim City, The Sims etc over and over and the only thing you can reach is a better city or a better job. How is that different from a better ship?!
Some just like seeing how fast they can do it either alone or with friends, some just like to see with which ships they can do it. A lvl 4 with a frig for instance.
Some do it because it beats listening to a nagging parter and/or kids.
Anyways there is not a single answer, so many players so many reasons. I am sure people can think of many more then the few that I just mentioned. |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:55:00 -
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Personnally, I do missions to pay for my GTCs.
That's 800M every two months. I'm playing maybe 4 hours a week, and missions allow me to jump right into the action. I tried Incursions, but it's really annoying having to wait for other people to join.
As for the limited amount of missions, well when I'm bored I just change factions ;) |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:35:00 -
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Belthazor4011 wrote:
Anyways there is not a single answer, so many players so many reasons. I am sure people can think of many more then the few that I just mentioned.
That is the point of this question, of course there is more than one answer as there are many unique individuals playing this game, and I am curious to see the spread of reasons.
The ship to me is not a form of improvement as the ship is a disposable tool.
I definitely think you nailed it hard on the head with the being rich and/or powerful in a virtual world. That seems like it would be a very common one, even if many people don't like to admit it as it tends to be judged by others as petty and pathetic, which it isn't really.
St Mio wrote:To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause?
Liked. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:41:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:Personnally, I do missions to pay for my GTCs.
That's 800M every two months. I'm playing maybe 4 hours a week, and missions allow me to jump right into the action. I tried Incursions, but it's really annoying having to wait for other people to join.
As for the limited amount of missions, well when I'm bored I just change factions ;)
This was my mindset down to the "t" for a few months. But that too lost purpose when I realized that I was just playing so I could play, and not for enjoyment. I found no challenge in missions after I got my Machariel, not that there was any challenge in an Arty Maelstrom either, it just took longer.
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Jessica Issier
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:23:00 -
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I see missioning as a means to an end, the end being blowing other people up
But I did realize that there are FAR better ways to make money and stopped running them a while ago |
XXSketchxx
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:27:00 -
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St Mio wrote:To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause?
This woman is a liar. She does not mission.
I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:14:00 -
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I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob.
Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:19:00 -
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Personally, I can't stand grinding missions. I like being able to do a bit of everything though, just because I like changing up what I do every now and then. I'll run a couple lvl 4 missions every now and then when I feel like blowing stuff up but don't really feel like going through much effort.
I did run missions fairly constantly for a bit, a long time ago, and I was doing it mostly for the ISK, but I find them too boring to do constantly. Now a days I do them half for the fun of blowing some stuff up and half for a bit of extra ISK on the side. |
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:37:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless...
Almost true, I found purpose in suicide ganking other people while I still played for a while, to harvest tears. That was fun for a while.
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:42:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... Almost true, I found purpose in suicide ganking other people while I still played for a while, to harvest tears. That was fun for a while.
CCP appreciates your service at assisting in cancellation of player subscriptions. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:06:00 -
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"For the love of god make the missioning stop so I can go back to PVP." |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:10:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:"For the love of god make the missioning stop so I can go back to PVP."
Buy gametime and sell plex, bum |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:42:00 -
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Agent, Corporation and Faction Standings. |
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:00:00 -
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I like to blow things up. Not interested in PvP yet as my free time is too limited to commit to this right now. Maybe sometime in the future but for now, missions fit the bill perfectly cause you can always (unless scrammed) warp away to a station if RL calls. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:14:00 -
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Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? |
Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:01:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.
Seriously, did you even read the thread? |
Fozzy Dorsai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:42:00 -
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1) I like blowing things up. PVE let's me blow things up. 2) I like ISK. Blowing things up in PVE gives me ISK. Goal is 100B. I need to go blow up more things. 3) I like trading. I don't like fees. Missions give me standings which lower my trading fees. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:46:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.
Seriously, did you even read the thread?
Of course I did. I especially enjoyed the OP's statement
I accidentally Your ship wrote:This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
When this so obviously is a troll. His statement above is essentially a polite way of asking "how the hell do you people do the same thing over and over again without your head exploding?"
This is further reinforced by his replies such as
I accidentally Your ship wrote:This was my mindset down to the "t" for a few months. But that too lost purpose when I realized that I was just playing so I could play, and not for enjoyment. I found no challenge in missions after I got my Machariel, not that there was any challenge in an Arty Maelstrom either, it just took longer.
Which is very much "I used to be just like you until I saw the light"
He may not even realize he's trolling, but he is.
So IMO my question back is valid. The only reason I have seen that he would care to know why others mission is so he can follow up with "yea I used to be just like you until I realized it was lame" or "but seriously, how can you enjoy that?"
Interesting he also posed the same "how can you possibly enjoy mining" type thread in Industry. Yet he doesn't have a "How can you guys stand to PVP all day?" in warfare or C&P. |
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:36:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
When this so obviously is a troll. His statement above is essentially a polite way of asking "how the hell do you people do the same thing over and over again without your head exploding?"
Actually this is a valid viewpoint, this task is tedious and boring to me, I did it for a few months but could not keep it up for longer. That being said humans are not clones of each other, what is boring to one has some value for another. That's why there are differing genres of games.
I want to know what specific enjoyment people get out of it, because I'm curious. You know that thing that makes some people want to discover things and learn new things, not just know what they are told?
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Which is very much "I used to be just like you until I saw the light"
Not at all, there is no light as there is no right and wrong viewpoint. Just people who enjoy different things.
**** this forum is so jaded, I'm glad there are at least some serious answers in my threads.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:36:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature. Seriously, did you even read the thread?
Liked.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:40:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:. Yet he doesn't have a "How can you guys stand to PVP all day?" in warfare or C&P.
Because I know I would be greeted with a WAVE of raging pvpers that would whip into a raging lynch mob at the slightest hint that pvp isn't interesting or fair in this game.
You want to know my viewpoint on pvp in this game? Terribly one sided in almost all non-dueling situations that no amount of skill will get you out of because hey it requires no skill! Tactical planning? Sure! Strategy, you bet. Guess what else requires those things? Missioning. The only difference is the strategies and tactics are static because the fights are static. Therein lies the ONLY difference and it is not a particularly good one. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:45:00 -
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Jessica Issier wrote:I see missioning as a means to an end, the end being blowing other people up But I did realize that there are FAR better ways to make money and stopped running them a while ago
This is not the type of response I'm really interested in. I'm looking for the viewpoints of the so-judged "carebear" crowd. The people who mission for better ships to mission, not the people who mission for ISK to blow other people up, I already see that viewpoint it was one of mine when I had a subscription. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:24:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature. Seriously, did you even read the thread? Liked. EDIT: I also wonder why this person thinks I'm self-righteous. "Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitude[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person." according to Lolipedia. I never put down the people who mission, if you feel that me finding something boring is putting it down then you are a very odd person. I can find something boring, that doesn't make me self-righteous, that just gives me a preference.
Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.
I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:27:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.
I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"
Don't get me wrong, I did not come here to get convinced that missioning was something interesting to do. I just came here purely out of boredom to converse and the viewpoints of some people that are not similar to my own was something I was curious about, as clearly I do not understand their viewpoint, it is not mine.
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Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:20:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... You know that life is the biggest sandbox we found so far? ;-) |
Desudes
Pixelmoon The Star League
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:25:00 -
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Some people just like it. It is just a different viewpoint that you are running into; same reason one chick might like giving blowjobs and another wouldn't.
I do whatever I'm in the mood for which lately has been exploring in an all-in-one fit Proteus while I set up my 3 account solo mining op to explore industry in EVE. EVE PvP reminds me of sex: there is a long build-up often made frustrating by idiots; a semi-tense and semi-fun stretch to get into business that you try to keep quick; an all too short climax where you pray nothing goes wrong, and you're probably going to go home with less money then you started with. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:08:00 -
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Tease |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Universal Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.20 11:16:00 -
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1) To keep sec-status reasonable. 2) To keep the coffers topped up. 3) Something to do that still involves **** urp-sploding that actually doesn't nuke (1) or sink (2). 4) Something I can do that doesn't require me to be overly social if I don't feel like it. I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
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