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Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
7
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:43:00 -
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For me, it's a time-sink and provides isk for pvp.
Within the last few weeks, I've grown more and more tired of running missions. That being said, I'm still working on skills to be able to eventually do some lowsec exploration and other, more dangerous ways to play in the sandbox.
I'll probably look into WH stuff again, and at some point would like to play around in null.
I do enjoy violencing people with fire, and certainly am not afraid to die horribly in the process Lost two ships earlier on a small gang lowsec roam and had a fine time exploding |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 00:48:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept.
Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle. 
Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are.
Good luck with that...here's a cookie! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
53
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Posted - 2011.12.12 00:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept. Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle. Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are. Good luck with that...here's a cookie!
You responded to the original post without reading the entire thread. My observation was that it made you look inept, which is does. I did not state that you are inept or uneducated or an idiot, just that your failure to read the entire thread and subsequent post made you look as such. This second post also suggests that not only are you inept but you are easily insulted and a passion driven person. This pleases me in ways that would be inappropriate to describe on a forum board. |
Jordanna Bauer
Suzuka Heavy Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:02:00 -
[94] - Quote
Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept. Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle. Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are. Good luck with that...here's a cookie!
MAD |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:06:00 -
[95] - Quote
D'oh wrong thread...
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
53
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:15:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:BTW who does your translations? They are very good but clearly english is not your first language.
Yo u caught me dawg. ebonix iz muh motha fuckin first language, ah use uh little chinese boy ta transmalate ta cracker ass english otay buh-weet |
Nor Tzestu
Assero Argentum
29
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:18:00 -
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Why do I mission?
Well, It fits my playtime best of all Eve activities. I have kids/wife etc. Full time job all that hub lub. I can log on, make a little isk and log off. No worries about being on someone's schedule but my own. Ships and stuff? I don't know I guess there is a bit of carrot on a stick about them. I do personally really like the ships in this game. Being able to afford a nice well fitted boat is certainly a worthy goal in my opinion. Not the end all be all of the game, but something you should look forward to. I know people who PVP and they love finally being able to fly "x" ship or fit "x" module. I don't think mission runners have the market cornered on gear hounds.
Missions do have some valuable lessons in them for those willing to learn and adapt. Learning how to maximize your isk outlay, how to effectively work in the markets are all goal's a serious mission runner needs to undertake. Mission runners are the lifeblood of the faction module economy and being able to leverage your LP is a more or less necessary skill at this point in Eve to realize any real profits. Most mission runners also end up developing very good PVP skills ( t2 weapons and tanks) and don't realize it. Getting the use of the best modules in the game to minimize mission times is on every mission runners to do list. Those same skills allow you to have a very solid base for starting PVP down the road.
I know lots of people think of mission runners as morons. That's cool. No skin off my nose. What they don't realize is a efficient mission runner has lots of skills built up and a solid knowledge of most facets of Eve. Sure they aren't gods in a fight, or maybe even very good. There is a lot more to Eve than just shooting people though. And I think if there was a way to get people out in small cheap ships without being instantly roasted by a 10 man gate camp you'd see more people out there. As it is with huge powerblocs, constant hotdrops and general asshattery by the "PVP" public lots of people have better things to do with their hour or two of playtime a night. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
54
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:20:00 -
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Nor Tzestu wrote: Why do I mission?
Well, It fits my playtime best of all Eve activities. I have kids/wife etc. Full time job all that hub lub. I can log on, make a little isk and log off. No worries about being on someone's schedule but my own. Ships and stuff? I don't know I guess there is a bit of carrot on a stick about them. I do personally really like the ships in this game. Being able to afford a nice well fitted boat is certainly a worthy goal in my opinion. Not the end all be all of the game, but something you should look forward to. I know people who PVP and they love finally being able to fly "x" ship or fit "x" module. I don't think mission runners have the market cornered on gear hounds.
Missions do have some valuable lessons in them for those willing to learn and adapt. Learning how to maximize your isk outlay, how to effectively work in the markets are all goal's a serious mission runner needs to undertake. Mission runners are the lifeblood of the faction module economy and being able to leverage your LP is a more or less necessary skill at this point in Eve to realize any real profits. Most mission runners also end up developing very good PVP skills ( t2 weapons and tanks) and don't realize it. Getting the use of the best modules in the game to minimize mission times is on every mission runners to do list. Those same skills allow you to have a very solid base for starting PVP down the road.
I know lots of people think of mission runners as morons. That's cool. No skin off my nose. What they don't realize is a efficient mission runner has lots of skills built up and a solid knowledge of most facets of Eve. Sure they aren't gods in a fight, or maybe even very good. There is a lot more to Eve than just shooting people though. And I think if there was a way to get people out in small cheap ships without being instantly roasted by a 10 man gate camp you'd see more people out there. As it is with huge powerblocs, constant hotdrops and general asshattery by the "PVP" public lots of people have better things to do with their hour or two of playtime a night.
Holy crap! A real mission bear! Get it!
Just kidding, glad to see there are some mission bears who actually read the forums. It's your 15 per month, play how you want. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
48
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:01:00 -
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This whole thread is a troll, surely? There is no such thing as just a Missioner.
I don't believe any player does just one thing in this game - unless they're less than a month old or a bot.
I run L4 missions in a BC, Salvage in a Noctis, PVP in cheap T1 frigs, Manufacture (mostly to replace my own ships!) and Hulk Mine (although not for months - reprocessing loot now gives me more than enough for manufacture).
I'm not Elite at anything just yet, but I enjoy seeing the incremental improvements as my experience and skills improve.
And the plans I have for next year will see me doing a range of new tasks.
If PVP was the only option in EVE, I would definitely have quit from boredom in the first week. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:12:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Thredd Necro wrote:BTW who does your translations? They are very good but clearly english is not your first language.
Yo u caught me dawg. ebonix iz muh motha fuckin first language, ah use uh little chinese boy ta transmalate ta cracker ass english otay buh-weet Edit: Aw I put effort into that too! 
I appreciate your consideration and effort.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
20
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:51:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I had burned out on EVE months ago when this topic was started. I have since come back and while I still do not enjoy running the missions themselves, the easy ISK they supply me with to fund my other characters is desirable.
I think this sort of thing is what the "edit" button is for. You should be able to modify your post. Just add something to the end (no need for "retroactive continuity") indicating you've had a slight change of heart and that humanity will suffer because you're running level IVs instead of adding purpose to the intarwebs.
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Chung Ju-yung
Science and Trade Institute
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 02:09:00 -
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I have a decided dislike for all things mission running, but I need the standing for my business.
Were there some bribery alternative system in the game, I would not be wasting my time. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
27
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Posted - 2011.12.16 05:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
I've been playing one of them theme park mmos lately, and being very honest a level 4 mission is harder than what most of these people seem capable of. lv 4s seem to be at least more fun that solitaire. |
Kietay Ayari
Rogue Elements.
82
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:42:00 -
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Doing missions over and over to improve just to be able to do better missions faster is exactly the same as playing MapleStory.
This is really all that needs to be said. :D
Ferox #1 |
Forando
Interstellar Cowards
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:06:00 -
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I do missions. Mainly to rescue the ever so grateful Damsel in Distress.. (cue: Barry White) |
Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici
Bringers of Death.
18
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Posted - 2011.12.19 18:23:00 -
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Why run missions?
To pay for PvP. Simply put. I'll PvE to pay for PvP but that's about it. I've spent most of my time in Eve running missions. Classic care bear but not by choice so much as just biding my time until I had the skills up, the income to 'be able to afford to lose' my PvP ships, and learned the game's mechanics better.
Missions are (usually) nearby, fast, and terribly easy. Skills used for security missions relate to skills used for PvP, so the goals are often lined up nicely. Most missions can be run solo, again, quickly and just them done to swell that wallet so you can go melt someone's face in null.
For just wanting to be able to outfit PvP vessels in a hurry, I like missions. The fact that they are dull and too easy is just motivation to PvP myself into the poor house weekly.
Run PvE missions all week with a clone with good implants, come the weekend jump into a stripped clone and go collect mails-- loss mails if you're me, but even being vaporized is more fun than winning missions.
I just spent an entire afternoon roaming half of New Eden for one fight (that I lost) but still had more fun flying with a couple wing mates and in dangerous space for no gain at all, than make bank spending that same time running missions.
Doesn't matter what form of PvE, it's all just a way to let me raid the market for pew pew boats. |
Rayvonuk
Phoenix Club
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:07:00 -
[107] - Quote
My goal is to get the standings required then stop the monotony |
Anize Oramara
Ultimate Inc.
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:41:00 -
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Missioning allows me the means to help my corp mates. The means being Big ships, Isk, Minerals and LP. |
ACESsiggy
VC Academy
8
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:16:00 -
[109] - Quote
I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
So as you can see, I actively stay in my simplistic realm of NPC domination.
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Anize Oramara
Ultimate Inc.
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:50:00 -
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ACESsiggy wrote:I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
That's stupidly ********. Isn't the whole idea of a corp to help you do things you can't do yet? Might have to look for another corp there mate. I was barely a month old when I joined the corp and one of the first things a couple of us corpies did was go into wormholes and get ourselves killed. But it was fun and we noobs learned a lot. Now I can say that I have a lot of wormhole experience and we regularly go into wormholes and I'm not even 3 months old. Hell so long as you can fly a cruiser I'd take you into a wormhole. Losing your ship is part of wormholes :)
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Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe
0
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:43:00 -
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Simply put, it's all of it a means towards one single end. As close to a perfect plus 10 with Minmatar Republic, Gal Fed, Krusual tribe and Sebiestor tribe as is possible, because I enjoy the roleplay elements surrounding the above NPC entities.
By the same token, attaining close to, or, a perfect minus 10 with the Amarr and Ammatar/Nefantar is also a motivation, for the same reason.
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Deltan Fervus
Romex Inc.
Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2011.12.26 07:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
Honestly, blowing stuff up is a legitimate enough reason for me; the ISK is nice too. I can honestly say that just having money is a decent/respectable goal. Oftentimes I don't even have much I need to buy aside from the occasional extra drone or ammo restocking, so there's PLEXes too. I got no issues with running myself broke all the time, and I just gotta make things go boom to make it back. Good enough for me. |
Malamber
Lightning Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:16:00 -
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Meh, he only wants answers from people he disagrees with. Everyone else's opinion has already been discounted by him. This passive aggressive stuff really is a train wreck though... |
J Kunjeh
126
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:ACESsiggy wrote:I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
That's stupidly ********. Isn't the whole idea of a corp to help you do things you can't do yet? Might have to look for another corp there mate.
It's the same cold shoulder you get when looking for a job and they ask "so, do you have any experience?" See, Eve IS for realz.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Vanilkin
New Paradise
AAA Citizens
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:23:00 -
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The reason for mission running of many ppl is to pimp their ships by officer mods and then lose it to angry gankers ))
.... and start allover again lol Groundhog Day every day |
Tariq Norn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 18:42:00 -
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My tuppence worth from a self confessed mission-*****...running missions since 2006.....
Missions give me continuity basically.
They are something I can pick up and do, how and when I choose.
Noone else depends on my involvement, nor can anyone spoil it unless I allow them to.
They provide a regular and dependable income source.
They can be run quickly and efficiently in one of my uber mission runner ships (Mach, Tengu, Nightmare, I have them all), or I can make it interesting and run a worlds collide in a wolf for Sh.ts and giggles.
By maintaining a steady and decent income and security rating, they allow me to roam in low sec, or locate and bankroll one of my characters (I run two) in nullsec or wh space. I have lived in nullsec on one of those alts on two occasions for a few months each time...it was ok, but tbh it restricted my gameplay in terms of hyow and when too much to fit in with my RL.
Occsionally CCP see sense and throw in something sweet for us missioners....dread pirate is the current 'thing', and it helps to stir it up a bit.
Mission running, at level 3 and 4 level is no more repetitive than any other platformer, ipad game, xbox shooter fest and as a previous poster stated....i get to fly internet spaceships.
Finally...mission running allows me to chat to ppl all over the world from my corp or from my contacts log from various times in null, low, wh space or the equivalent and is a sociable pursuit.
Does that help at all. |
Rawanda Johnson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:38:00 -
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+10 with every corp in the game.
Should keep me busy while I pursue my other goals. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:40:00 -
[118] - Quote
- Standings for clones/pos
- Easy isk
- little time commitment, they can wait for me rather then having to wait for them
- no one is making me run them faster,
- i can afk them
- more isk per time at keyboard then mining
- always available for me when i want them where i want them
something to do when i have time and no one else is online to shoot things with. sometimes there isnt anyone you really know online. i can make 50 mil half asleep and lose it later when i got friends around.
oh yeah and what that guy said about benchmark testing of ships. with a dependable amount of dps in a mission, and a way to mock up a solo action without being solo, is a great way to test the a pvp fitting without the same risk.
dropping a logi onto a pvp fit bs after the aggro has been assigned is a great way to judge how fast you will burn under real pvp fire. its not the same, but you can judge your fitting by how fast you can catch things and kill them, you just have to figure out the equivalencies.
Incursion runners hate it when you fall asleep on them. |
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:12:00 -
[119] - Quote
Here is why I do it.
1: I have less than 6 million sp.
2: I need to make iskies to pay for my next new toy of mission running.
3: Obtaining the next new toy of mission running will allow me to obtain iskies at a higher rate.
4: All the while, I am constantly training support skills for yet better ships (which apply to current ones)
5: Eventually I will be able to reliably do... something better.
Main account is paid for monthly. Alt account is paid with plex. Currently have about 700m and will be in a tengu with all relevant skills to 4+ in about a month and a half. Meanwhile, I am saving up iskies to be able to buy my tengu, then blow it up and buy a new one.
TL:DR I do them for the sake of progress. Once missions no longer suit my needs I will move on. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:53:00 -
[120] - Quote
to **** ccp off. |
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